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It cannot. Pakistan operates four Il-78's and our F-16's still don't have air refueling capability. :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

It's a shame, really, and goes to show why you see almost all modern aircraft equipped with refueling probes now. It seems like a much easier process than aircraft equipped with access panels behind the pilot with fuel covers to take on a boom. That process just seems so much more difficult for both, the fighter pilots and the boom operators as compared to probes and chutes.

Not much room for error between the canopy and the vertical stabilizer, especially on D models.

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Although Block 50's and up can have their conformal fuel tanks modified with a refueling probe to take care of that issue.

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Egypt can have in-flight refueling for it's Mirage 2K,s Rafales and MiG-35s but the bulk of its workhorse platform in the F-16s, it doesn't have that luxury just like Pakistan. We should figure something out together.

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We should figure something out together.
One solution is to get Airbus A330 MRTT. It has both boom refueling and the drogue method. At about $250 million per plane, our cash strapped air force can't afford it. But Egypt should certainly go for it because it has a much larger number of F-16's. It can refuel Egyptian F-16's, Mig 35's and Rafales. Win-win
 
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One solution is to get Airbus A330 MRTT. It has both boom refueling and the drogue method. At about $250 million per plane, our cash strapped air force can't afford it. But Egypt should certainly go for it because it has a much larger number of F-16's. It can refuel Egyptian F-16's, Mig 35's and Rafales. Win-win

Maybe the new casas bought from Airbus are gonna be fitted into air refueling capabilities
 
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One solution is to get Airbus A330 MRTT. It has both boom refueling and the drogue method. At about $250 million per plane, our cash strapped air force can't afford it. But Egypt should certainly go for it because it has a much larger number of F-16's. It can refuel Egyptian F-16's, Mig 35's and Rafales. Win-win

Well we got excited for about 10 minutes when that photo of the A400M in Egyptian colors was released, only to be short-lived after realizing almost immediately that it was photoshopped. So I think if the EAF is having a tough time acquiring the A400M even though they looked into possibly buying half a dozen of them back in 2015, and now looking at the A330 MRTT -- although an excellent choice -- might be a bit of a stretch.

There's also the issue that I think both our countries are facing and that is approving the sale of these super-long range aircraft that would certainly enhance both, Pakistan's and Egypt's capabilities to extend their military range substantially. This was a huge no-no by the Russians back in the day when they refused to sell Egypt any long-range bombers because of Israel. I think the same line of precautionary thinking by the US, Europe and even Russia is still being played out.

I think the EAF is about as stretched out financially as can be with all the MiGs, Rafales and Ka-52s it has purchased in the last couple of years, not to mention S-300 and all kinds of other stuff so I think we've probably reached our limit and are in the same position you're in. They still need to arm the Mistrals and they're spending a lot of money on the 3 new naval and air bases. A lot of loot being spent!

A recent tweet from @Frogman 's twitter account.

 
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BTW, anyone notice anything a bit unusual about that video of the F-16 splitting away and doing a barrel roll?
I'll give you a hint: the two pilots saluting vs the plane turning.
 
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Looks like they've finally taken check points setups and tactics a bit more seriously. Not sure how much Chinese JABSCO protective barriers will help, but it's a start and too bad it took many hits and deaths for them to experience before they finally realized something drastic needed to be done. I'm still dumbfounded at the Blackhawk hit. The carelessness that went into that entire visit was abysmal considering the personnel involved in that visit.

It's a bit like putting the cart before the horse. There was every incentive to focus on these things six years ago. Also notice how some new tactics may be introduced but are still undermined by a lack of basic soldiering skills and poor opsec/parsec.

The Chinese knock off HESCO barriers work well. They're what everybody who knows what they're doing uses. Case in point the MFO positions are all set up with them. We had the expertise on our own ground but never took advantage of that.

what I meant is more money and more time should be spent on the conscripts, more training courses on how to handle and fire their weapons, better gearing, better helmets and stuff like that, that's where the money comes.

The entirety of the basic training and personal kit needs an overhaul. You will find no argument from me there.

The thunderbolts and paratroopers are sure professional, not as professional as their American or isreali counterparts but if you look at Afghanistan or iraq, unconventional warfare needs time, money and sharing experience.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I used the word professional in its strictest sense. Meaning that this is their job.

While I understand the it takes time argument it has been six years and we are still seeing the same mistakes being made now. The problem isn't time in my opinion, it's a lack of basic soldiering skills and tactical incompetence.

A properly trained rifleman will have basic skills that are transferable to any environment.

I highly doubt our paratroopers we will be ever deployed against an enemy which uses unconventional warfare or gurilla tactics, assuming they will be deployed against unconventional armies, we been training with the ruskies and exchanging experience, taking some experience of them from their deployment in Syria.

I would say they would be deployed against a conventional army, they are well trained for that since they are professionals or include some.

The Paratroopers are a conscript force too.

Without Airborne artillery, mortars, and support equipment they'll likely get chewed up as they did in the initial air assaults of 1973 beyond the Bar Lev line.


I'm sorry if this reply is long but I have one more thing to say, more money should be also used to fix the Weak NCO spine that we have, not only that I even think conscripts shouldn't be allowed to even take NCO positions, it doesn't make any sense.

That's unlikely to happen given how much the Officer corps dominates the Armed Forces. They will not give up their grasp on power and knowledge unless they're forced to.

Furthermore, one more thing regarding Sinai is that I think we should use planes as the A-10 thunderbolts or the flying tank su-25s since they are used in close support, the su-25 preformed magnificently in Syria.

While excellent platforms, fast jets do have their pros in comparison. Specifically how fast they can get on scene. There's no real need to introduce another platform for CAS.

BTW, anyone notice anything a bit unusual about that video of the F-16 splitting away and doing a barrel roll?
I'll give you a hint: the two pilots saluting vs the plane turning.

Both take hands off controls.
 
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It's a bit like putting the cart before the horse. There was every incentive to focus on these things six years ago. Also notice how some new tactics may be introduced but are still undermined by a lack of basic soldiering skills and poor opsec/parsec.

The Chinese knock off HESCO barriers work well. They're what everybody who knows what they're doing uses. Case in point the MFO positions are all set up with them. We had the expertise on our own ground but never took advantage of that.



The entirety of the basic training and personal kit needs an overhaul. You will find no argument from me there.



Sorry if I wasn't clear. I used the word professional in its strictest sense. Meaning that this is their job.

While I understand the it takes time argument it has been six years and we are still seeing the same mistakes being made now. The problem isn't time in my opinion, it's a lack of basic soldiering skills and tactical incompetence.

A properly trained rifleman will have basic skills that are transferable to any environment.



The Paratroopers are a conscript force too.

Without Airborne artillery, mortars, and support equipment they'll likely get chewed up as they did in the initial air assaults of 1973 beyond the Bar Lev line.




That's unlikely to happen given how much the Officer corps dominates the Armed Forces. They will not give up their grasp on power and knowledge unless they're forced to.



While excellent platforms, fast jets do have their pros in comparison. Specifically how fast they can get on scene. There's no real need to introduce another platform for CAS.



Both take hands off controls.

Well, despite the fact that mistakes are being made, we also see them preforming well sometimes, in some like confrontations. I'm sure the command is gonna do something about it since there was several reports from like officials I think it was one report that I read talking about how the army is planning to make NCOs more professional, not sure about it tho.
The question is, is the army willing to do anything about it ? Or like is it actually doing anything about it before the situation gets worse.
 
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Both take hands off controls.

Which I don't know if we have the right to question the level of danger in doing that with the proximity of the jets, but what you can also notice is that knowing the stick on the F-16 is on the right side, and both pilots are saluting at the same time but the front seater holds his salute longer and through the jet going into the barrel roll, while the rear-seater looks like he's the one flying the jet. Don't see that too often.

The other thing is the F-16 filming the whole thing also banks to the right to capture the other one dropping in altitude. It's almost like they planned the entire thing perfectly.
 
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Looks like the EAF is falling in love with Russian aviation, now that they're negotiating a contract for the Yak-130 to replace the Alpha jets. I think the Alpha jet is still fantastic for what it was designed for, even with its age but the fact that they're thinking of replacing it shows their seriousness about the modernization concept that they've jumped into full force.

AT-802 aircraft seen at Egyptian airbase

IOMAX AT-802 strike aircraft are now operating from Egypt’s Bir Gifgafah Air Base in the Sinai Peninsula, satellite imagery shows.

Two AT-802s were seen at Bir Gifgafah in DigitalGlobe imagery taken on 16 January and three on the following day.

They were on the same parking apron where AVIC Wing Loong unmanned aerial vehicles were seen in November 2016 and February 2017. While no Wing Loongs could be seen in the latest imagery, these could have been flying or inside a new hangar that has been constructed as part of a wider base renovation programme.

Jane’s reported in January 2015 that the United Air Emirates had donated 12 of its Air Tractor-derived AT-802 Border Patrol Aircraft to Egypt to support counter-insurgency operations in the Sinai, but these have never been seen until now.

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Hard to believe they're still testing the same aircraft and the same weapons all this time, especially since they've already delivered 15 aircraft. Is it possible that every time we see one of these aircraft being tested, they are different ones just rolled out of the assembly line but are always labelled #801?

Kh-31 and R-77.

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Kh-35, R-77 and T-220 pod.

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Hard to believe they're still testing the same aircraft and the same weapons all this time, especially since they've already delivered 15 aircraft. Is it possible that every time we see one of these aircraft being tested, they are different ones just rolled out of the assembly line but are always labelled #801?

Kh-31 and R-77.

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Kh-35, R-77 and T-220 pod.

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any confirmation about which radar this mig got.......?:raise:
 
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