Egyptian Armed Forces

[AKINCI]

The relationship between Egypt and Greece is a historic one. Both nations share an intertwined history as a result of our imperial pasts and there is a significant Greek population in Egypt. Military ties between both nations is strong and we hold annual joint exercises. We are also on the Greek side of the Cypriot issue.

You were on the our side before sisi's coup. It seems to me Egyptian rulers suddenly converted to Judaism or Christianity.

 

[Frogman]

You were on the our side before sisi's coup. It seems to me Egyptian rulers suddenly converted to Judaism or Christianity.

No, before the coup/revolution Egypt was a neutral observer and enjoyed strong ties with all three nations involved in the dispute. After the Turkish executive decided to sever diplomatic relations and interfere in Egyptian affairs the FM and the Presidency decided to lobby against Turkey in the UN (and as a result you lost your security council seat) and strengthen our relationship with Cyprus and Greece.

I'm disappointed that you believe a persons religious beliefs can influence their politics, and that they will not look out for the nations interests because of it. Coming from a person who lives in a secular nation with a multitude of religious and ethnic minorities it is incredibly disappointing. Not sure what the modern day father of Turkey would say about that.

 

[Falcon29]

No, before the coup/revolution Egypt was a neutral observer and enjoyed strong ties with all three nations involved in the dispute. After the Turkish executive decided to sever diplomatic relations and interfere in Egyptian affairs the FM and the Presidency decided to lobby against Turkey in the UN (and as a result you lost your security council seat) and strengthen our relationship with Cyprus and Greece.

I'm disappointed that you believe a persons religious beliefs can influence their politics, and that they will not look out for the nations interests because of it. Coming from a person who lives in a secular nation with a multitude of religious and ethnic minorities it is incredibly disappointing. Not sure what the modern day father of Turkey would say about that.

Don't you think the new administration would become anti-Turkey anyways? Because ruling party is MB? Like they did with Hamas. Now they want to want put their armed brigades on terrorist list. The new administration was planning that from the beginning.

 

[Frogman]

Don't you think the new administration would become anti-Turkey anyways? Because ruling party is MB? Like they did with Hamas. Now they want to want put their armed brigades on terrorist list. The new administration was planning that from the beginning.

Nope, it was the Turkish administration at the time that decided to cut ties, the Egyptian FM has reiterated time and time again that it has no problem with reestablishing ties, and both nations nearly did so at the UN but Erdogan torpedoed it as usual.

The only obstacle to reestablishing ties is Erdogan, I don't think any other members of the ruling party are as rabidly anti Egyptian administration as he is and Turkeys own FM wants to reestablish ties.

 

[Falcon29]

Nope, it was the Turkish administration at the time that decided to cut ties, the Egyptian FM has reiterated time and time again that it has no problem with reestablishing ties, and both nations nearly did so at the UN but Erdogan torpedoed it as usual.

The only obstacle to reestablishing ties is Erdogan, I don't think any other members of the ruling party are as rabidly anti Egyptian administration as he is and Turkeys own FM wants to reestablish ties.

So why is current administration anti-Hamas? They refuse to even discuss cease fire implementation and have not made any mention of negotiations that are supposed to take place. And then asking interpol to put a respected scholar on their list. Means Egyptian adminstration has irrational agenda.

 

[al-Hasani]

ABM are severely depleted and their allegiance to IS hasn't had an effect. The recent reinforcements from the 2nd and 3rd Armies to central Sinai have all but closed any chance of militants escaping Northern Sinai to the east bank or any of the Canal cities. The buffer zone with the Gaza strip is being extended to 1km after more tunnels were discovered, ABM is no longer able to retreat to Gaza for training or R&R with Jaish Al-Islam.

The recent reinforcement of Rapid Deployment Forces (to Northern Sinai) has been incredibly beneficial. However, the Interior (Security Forces) continues to face the brunt of casualties as a result of terrorists targeting off duty personnel. The most recent deadly attack was the one on a Navy patrol boat but that didn't end too well for the terrorists either.

Civilian casualties have been steadily increasing in the past few months, as result of terrorists targeting them for helping the Army (while ABM calls them Israeli spies) and as a result of clashes between them and the forces. What is worrying though is in the most recent ABM video release they called upon the people of Sinai to help them, and threatened them that if they did not and instead helped the Army they would face death.

Slowly but surely the threat in Northern Sinai is diminishing, what is starting to worry the Armed Forces now is the threat from Ansar Alsharia (and IS) from Libya.

Thanks for the reply bro. Much appreciated.

 

[Falcon29]

ABM are severely depleted and their allegiance to IS hasn't had an effect. The recent reinforcements from the 2nd and 3rd Armies to central Sinai have all but closed any chance of militants escaping Northern Sinai to the east bank or any of the Canal cities. The buffer zone with the Gaza strip is being extended to 1km after more tunnels were discovered, ABM is no longer able to retreat to Gaza for training or R&R with Jaish Al-Islam.

The recent reinforcement of Rapid Deployment Forces (to Northern Sinai) has been incredibly beneficial. However, the Interior (Security Forces) continues to face the brunt of casualties as a result of terrorists targeting off duty personnel. The most recent deadly attack was the one on a Navy patrol boat but that didn't end too well for the terrorists either.

Civilian casualties have been steadily increasing in the past few months, as result of terrorists targeting them for helping the Army (while ABM calls them Israeli spies) and as a result of clashes between them and the forces. What is worrying though is in the most recent ABM video release they called upon the people of Sinai to help them, and threatened them that if they did not and instead helped the Army they would face death.

Slowly but surely the threat in Northern Sinai is diminishing, what is starting to worry the Armed Forces now is the threat from Ansar Alsharia (and IS) from Libya.

Holy shit you're a liar. There's no such thing as ABM retreating to Gaza. You can't accept fact that ABM are Egyptian residents of Sinai that don't like any Egyptian administration. They were flexible with Morsi because he visited them and held dialogue. No such thing as training with Jaysh-Al-Islam either. Typical lying Godless secular Arab, nobody has training in Gaza unless approved by Hamas. Jaysh-Al-Islam is not a actual organization either, they are just reinforcements that deal with some areas in Gaza Strip. And took part in operation 'Wahm Almutabadid'. We have no interference in Egypt's internal affairs. And tunnels will stay open as long as border is closed and no commercial trade is allowed. Stop following Israeli orders of keeping borders closed if you don't want us to smuggle goods into our territory. Which actually is only source of income for almost everyone in east Sinai and to Al-Arish. The only reason any buildings exist was because of us. Before Hamas was elected Sinai was deserted and its people had no opportunities. Now it is something different which Egyptian pro-Israel adminstration wants to destroy.

Typical Arab retard, always blames internal problems on others. You have 99 problems and Gaza isn't one of them. And we could care less about your Kaftah army. We have no interest in dealing with them in anything.

You Arab retards should be proud of yourselves, more anti-Resistance than Westerners. Even Westerners support our Resistance more than you do. Stupid adminstrations in Saudi Arabia/Egypt pro-Israel up the *** go phuck yourselves.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Falcon29

Calm down bro. Not sure if this post was aimed at me too? I don't know what is going on anymore as I do not follow the events on a daily basis as I imagine that @Frogman does so I just asked him about the current situation. No sides are perfect and everyone has their faults. Frogman is a good user and we should keep the disagreements civil. Not sure what Arabs got to do with anything either? 99% of all Arabs support Palestine and want better leaders. Those that don't are just living in denial.

 

[Falcon29]

@Falcon29

Calm down bro. Not sure if this post was aimed at me too? I don't know what is going on anymore as I do not follow the events on a daily basis as I imagine that @Frogman does so I just asked him about the current situation. No sides are perfect and everyone has their faults. Frogman is a good user and we should keep the disagreements civil. Not sure what Arabs got to do with anything either? 99% of all Arabs support Palestine and want better leaders. Those that don't are just living in denial.

My post is about the situation which is desperate and someone here thinks it's okay to spread lies in order to justify immoral-less, anti-Arab, anti-Muslim actions which put 60% of our people in unemployment. Unable to get more than 5 hours of electricity per day, unable to get clean water, unable to get proper nutrition, with tens of thousands sleeping in tents during winter because Egypt's government along with Israel/PA are purposely delaying reconstruction efforts while the streets are flooding and people are catching many diseases. I'm sick of this bullshit, yes it is aimed at Saudi Arabia and Egypt's current government because they are responsible for this. He complains about smuggling tunnels but his government refuses to allow commercial trade for the Strip and refuses to support effort to built a port in Gaza. They literally cancelled part of agreement and aren't even responding to government in Gaza. You tell us point at Israel, yes we do. And these governments of yours are supporting Israel. Egypt's leader during war on Gaza told Israel not to make any meaningful agreement which will bring relief in order to 'put pressure on Hamas'. If Egypt wants nothing to do with Gaza than use your Arab influence to build seaport and airport so they can be independent. But instead these coward, shameful adminstrations want it to remain this way because they hate anything called resistance against Israel. Only acceptable action is to contribute to their occupation and allow it to continue.

During war they were putting bodies of children in icecream coolers because nobody wants to treat them. Egypt only approved few people for medical treatment. There are cases where father and child are wounded but only one can get treatemnt, father chose to pass away to let son get treatemnets. There's no way 2,200 Palestinians would have died had we been able to get medical supplies for them or infrastructure to build new hospitals.And this stupid godless idiot is happy to see that. You wonder I'm pro-MB, well now you know.

Europeans are offering a hand before Arabs are. Because they have sorrow and regret over what they did. Unlike Arabs who keep spreading bogus propaganda on their media to get people to ignore what's happening.

 

[Frogman]

There's no such thing as ABM retreating to Gaza

The official said the militants tried to escape to Gaza using two cars after the attack, but were "dealt with", MENA said, without adding any further details.

Egypt says border attack undertaken by Gaza, Sinai militants| Reuters

You can't accept fact that ABM are Egyptian residents of Sinai that don't like any Egyptian administration

The majority of ABM are Egyptian, however, they are from the mainland, even the mufti of ABM is not from the Sinai. The bedioun tribes of Sinai and the residents of Sinai have never expressed their anger through takfirism, suicide bombings, and the killing of their own families.

You have tried time and time again to frame the insurgency in the Sinai as a revolt against the Egyptian government by the local population, the fact that the majority of fighters aren't even from the Sinai says otherwise, as do the foreign fighters in ABM and the fighters which have fought abroad with Alqaeda or its affiliates.

They were flexible with Morsi because he visited them and held dialogue

They also killed sixteen border guards, and kidnapped six soldiers. Morsi was a fool who believed he could negotiate with terrorists because he was an 'Islamic' president, he was wrong and the targeting of security forces proved that. Terrorists can not and should not be negotiated with as we have seen in Pakistan today.


Everything you have written is anger filled garbage, you can carry on I will not reply.

 

[al-Hasani]

My post is about the situation which is desperate and someone here thinks it's okay to spread lies in order to justify immoral-less, anti-Arab, anti-Muslim actions which put 60% of our people in unemployment. Unable to get more than 5 hours of electricity per day, unable to get clean water, unable to get proper nutrition, with tens of thousands sleeping in tents during winter because Egypt's government along with Israel/PA are purposely delaying reconstruction efforts while the streets are flooding and people are catching many diseases. I'm sick of this bullshit, yes it is aimed at Saudi Arabia and Egypt's current government because they are responsible for this. He complains about smuggling tunnels but his government refuses to allow commercial trade for the Strip and refuses to support effort to built a port in Gaza. They literally cancelled part of agreement and aren't even responding to government in Gaza. You tell us point at Israel, yes we do. And these governments of yours are supporting Israel. Egypt's leader during war on Gaza told Israel not to make any meaningful agreement which will bring relief in order to 'put pressure on Hamas'. If Egypt wants nothing to do with Gaza than use your Arab influence to build seaport and airport so they can be independent. But instead these coward, shameful adminstrations want it to remain this way because they hate anything called resistance against Israel. Only acceptable action is to contribute to their occupation and allow it to continue.

During war they were putting bodies of children in icecream coolers because nobody wants to treat them. Egypt only approved few people for medical treatment. There are cases where father and child are wounded but only one can get treatemnt, father chose to pass away to let son get treatemnets. And this stupid godless idiot is happy to see that. You wonder I'm pro-MB, well now you know.

Europeans are offering a hand before Arabs are. Because they have sorrow and regret over what they did. Unlike Arabs who keep spreading bogus propaganda on their media to get people to ignore what's happening.

Don't agree with everything but yet still much of what you have posted. Mind you that I don't follow the events on a daily basis so I can't disprove anything that you and @Frogman are writing when the details became too great. I would have to read up on ALL the major events since August until now. I have been following events in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, GCC etc. on a daily basis. I can't possibly know all details in every Arab country or conflicts.

As you know already then I do not take any sides and neither the current regimes nor MB impress me. We have had those discussions many times so no need to take them again.

My primary concern as usual are the people. Yet I still believe that we should try to be civil even if it gets heated. At the end of the day, whether you are pro-MB or pro-Sisi you want similar things to change in Egypt and similar improvements. Or at least this is what I have seen from the supporters at least.

@Frogman

So ABM is mostly made up by non-natives of Sinai but foreigners (what kind of foreigners - you know?) and Egyptians from elsewhere? What you write about the natives is my impression as well but we can't rule out that some natives have joined. Overall the ABM are a relatively small group. I heard about Libyan involvement in that group but I am not sure nor do I think that it matters much. They need to be defeated regardless who they are.

 

[Falcon29]

Don't agree with everything but yet still much of what you have posted. Mind you that I don't follow the events on a daily basis so I can't disprove anything that you and @Frogman are writing when the details became too great. I would have to read up on ALL the major events since August until now. I have been following events in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, GCC etc. on a daily basis. I can't possibly know all details in every Arab country or conflicts.

As you know already then I do not take any sides and neither the current regimes nor MB impress me. We have had those discussions many times so no need to take them again.

My primary concern as usual are the people. Yet I still believe that we should try to be civil even if it gets heated. At the end of the day, whether you are MB or Sisi you want similar things to change and improvements.

How don't we want people to get heated? Iraqi's are getting heated, Syrians are getting heated, Yemeni's are getting heated, Palestinian are getting heated. Because situation is unsustainable and unlivable. And these adminstrations are contributing to more misery.

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The official said the militants tried to escape to Gaza using two cars after the attack, but were "dealt with", MENA said, without adding any further details.

Your officials are full of shit, use your brain. How can educated person like you fall for this. For every incident, no matter if in Sinai or Arish they blamed Gaza. And in the past they even told Hamas to hand over a number of people. The people they asked for, half of them had died in 2009.The other half were prisoners serving terms in Israel.

Egypt is being very irrational. They shouldn't be this way. And try a new path, see if it works out. And if Hamas ruins any future ties, I'd be the first one to condemn them. Unlike you, I don't fear bashing any our leaders for wrongdoings. But they won't, Egypt has not even approached us for months just to speak about opening of border.

The majority of ABM are Egyptian, however, they are from the mainland, even the mufti of ABM is not from the Sinai. The bedioun tribes of Sinai and the residents of Sinai have never expressed their anger through takfirism, suicide bombings, and the killing of their own families.

Again, some of them are members of tribes. Actually probably most of them are. You don't understand pyschology of human, they can be driven to take deadly actions. It's sad but solution is needed and will not come this way.

They also killed sixteen border guards, and kidnapped six soldiers. Morsi was a fool who believed he could negotiate with terrorists because he was an 'Islamic' president, he was wrong and the targeting of security forces proved that. Terrorists can not and should not be negotiated with as we have seen in Pakistan today.

The difference is that gave Morsi credibility to take action. And difference is he didn't use such incidents to his favor to blockade Gaza or build buffer zone. Which is moronic, if Israel army occuipes Gaza again you will see what the buffer zone will do for you. He kept borders open as well, was going to form trade agreement which benefits both peoples and travel rate was much higher than any other time. Which benefited tourism of Egyptians. You ask people in Sinai what they think about Gazans, you will get positive opinions. And I've been to Sinai more than you have, I've actually discovered the area and met people. The atmosphere with army is negative, they don't get along well. Further into other cities it gets better of course. Because they have more opportunities.

 

[Frogman]

Your officials are full of shit, use your brain. How can educated person like you fall for this. For every incident, no matter if in Sinai or Arish they blamed Gaza. And in the past they even told Hamas to hand over a number of people. The people they asked for, half of them had died in 2009.The other half were prisoners serving terms in Israel.

No, in the border guard attack of 2012 militants headed for the Israeli border in a Fahd APC, the rest escaped or tried to escape to Gaza through the tunnels. Even the Israelis reported Egyptian troop movement at the Rafah border.

Egypt hunts Sinai terrorists; 'we'll strike Gaza if needed' - Israel News, Ynetnews

Again, some of them are members of tribes. Actually probably most of them are. You don't understand pyschology of human, they can be driven to take deadly actions. It's sad but solution is needed and will not come this way.

No one from the Sinai has taken any position of leadership in Ansar Beit Almaqdis. The majority of fighters are from the mainland, there are fighters from the Sinai, however, they do not represent the views of their tribes and thus are insignificant.

The difference is that gave Morsi credibility to take action. And difference is he didn't use such incidents to his favor to blockade Gaza or build buffer zone. Which is moronic, if Israel army occuipes Gaza again you will see what the buffer zone will do for you. He kept borders open as well, was going to form trade agreement which benefits both peoples and travel rate was much higher than any other time. Which benefited tourism of Egyptians. You ask people in Sinai what they think about Gazans, you will get positive opinions. And I've been to Sinai more than you have, I've actually discovered the area and met people. The atmosphere with army is negative, they don't get along well. Further into other cities it gets better of course. Because they have more opportunities.

At the start of Operation Sinai (known as Op Eagle then) the Rafah border was closed and the tunnel closing policy was put into place. Yet,Morsi is the great Gazan hero.

 

[Falcon29]

No, in the border guard attack of 2012 militants headed for the Israeli border in a Fahd APC, the rest escaped or tried to escape to Gaza through the tunnels. Even the Israelis reported Egyptian troop movement at the Rafah border.

Egypt hunts Sinai terrorists; 'we'll strike Gaza if needed' - Israel News, Ynetnews

Even Israeli's reported it? What does that mean? Of course they would repeat false information genius. They would love to see tensions between Palestinians and Egyptians.

Which one? The one you were just speaking of. Egyptians give a list of people who 'escaped' into Gaza. That turned out to be dead for years and in prison.

At the start of Operation Sinai (known as Op Eagle then) the Rafah border was closed and the tunnel closing policy was put into place. Yet,Morsi is the great Gazan hero.

The border was open 5 days a week for 10 hours a day, you have no idea what you're talking. Except for minor period. And actions of army weren't related to Morsi. Army doesn't care about what he says, they were against him in many cases.

 

[Frogman]

So ABM is mostly made up by non-natives of Sinai but foreigners (what kind of foreigners - you know?) and Egyptians from elsewhere? What you write about the natives is my impression as well but we can't rule out that some natives have joined. Overall the ABM are a relatively small group. I heard about Libyan involvement in that group but I am not sure nor do I think that it matters much. They need to be defeated regardless who they are.

Foreigners arrested have for the most part been from the Arab world, i.e Libyans, Syrians, Sudanese, and Palestinians. A few Afghans and Pakistanis have also been killed or captured, for the most part they are insignificant though.

Local people have joined ABM, however, they are not a significant part of ABM militarily or politically. Unless entire families in the Sinai turn against the Army they will not be significant. If anything ABM is alienating residents with assassinations of elders than the Army is when it conducts heavy handed raids or operations.

At the begining of the insurgency it was estimated ABM and its affiliates were around a 1000 strong, I've seen a lot of figures since, some as large as six thousand. They're bigger and better than a lot of people think they are, they use similar tactics to those used in Afghanistan against ISAF.