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Happy to chat with you, because you cannot deny what a note is, but hesitated to talk a lot like a parrot.


Actually, you are the worst person to defend Turkey, because you are really considered its fiercest enemy because you are simply ignorant of the facts of things.

1 - I did not actually complete the true Egyptian capabilities in armaments, but it simply makes me happy with your silly responses

Turkey fights, through its tools, terrorist groups because its army loses a lot. You also do not understand the Turkish army’s fear of direct engagement because it loses a lot and quickly. This is not an army.

Turkey did not win, entered Syria, lost the land that was under its armed hands, and became the one receiving the strikes

Lies about sending F-16 to Turkey and flying airlifting fuel. This is an invention of a idiot. Only the gullible is believed. The same is true. Turkey does not have 5 fries. As for the Libyan coasts, where do these lies come from?

On the other hand, at the hands of the Libyan army

1 - 50 drones were destroyed and the reputation of the Turkish drones collapsed

2 - Turkish armored vehicles were destroyed, and those who were thinking of buying a Turkish armored vehicle became a failure and a traitor to a homeland, and he chose a bad product.

3 - Turkey, as previously advised, is a new member of the technology, not an innovator. Rather, it stems from Europe and Israel, and even its products are not equal to Russian products.

4 - Turkey sells arms to followers from the traitors of the homelands who rule Tunisia, Malaysia

5 - Bahrain regretted its purchase of the Turkish armored vehicles that were destroyed in Yemen and the Emirates, so its armored vehicle was a redesign of the Turkish armored vehicle, as it is completely different in specifications from the armored armor.

Turkish army

So, simply, Turkey says that it is fighting and is even being defeated

Egypt entered several small wars after the 73 war and won it ,It has various military strikes

1 - With Libya in 1977, I crushed the Libyan army

2 - In Sudan, landed F-16 planes to protect Sudan from the Libyan TU-22 bombers

3 - The second Gulf War, Egypt was the largest land weapon fought against Iraq after America, so Egypt entered the country of Kuwait with the armor of 2 armored divisions and several brigades.

4- Blows in the 1970s against Ethiopia Dam at the time

6 - In Libya in 2015, an integrated air attack, Turkey could not implement the same, as it carried out with early warning planes, fighters F-16 and Mirage-2000 against terrorist camps, and explained the availability and accuracy of Egyptian information with 60 aircraft
include AEW & ELINT EW AIRCRAFT



You want Turkey to say that it is fighting in Syria the losses it has from the lands it occupies
With the Kurds, every day Turkey loses south and dies like dogs without price
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In Libya, the first 35 Turkish soldiers were killed and Turkey refused to receive the bodies of some of them, so the Libyans left the bodies of the Turks to the dogs in order to eat the dogs

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Is a frigate infiltrated under the name of maneuvers with Algeria on a training trip that it calls war, you are like cowards, from direct confrontation, and this nature of the Turks is always impossible to fight like men or face with naked issues, for courage does not exist with traitors like you
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Lie 5 frigate What is this nonsense and idiocy Do you think we are ignorant like you to believe your lies and nonsense
The Turkish navy is truly miserable, as there is no room for personnel efficiency or special equipment efficiency after 2016

Later in another post, we will clarify the size of the capabilities of the Egyptian Air Force to explain to you how much the catastrophe facing Turkey and who has the most powerful air force in years and how the real Turkish military capabilities collapse with the arms embargo on them. You deal with you delicious because it exposes Turkey not only

About Turkey and its hostility to Egypt
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Turkey, after the Egyptian people expelled the Muslim Brotherhood, created hostility with Egypt

Egypt is an old and powerful country, and it has always struck at it fatal to its enemies. What did it do with Turkey?

Egypt has established a military alliance with Greece and Cyprus
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Organized the Mediterranean Gas Forum, Turkey is expelled, rejected, and Turkey is begging for cooperation in the field of oil and gas until it gains any gains, and everyone is expelling it and does not want to give it to a point of oil or poison from the gas

Egypt demands the prosecution of Turkey's crimes against humanity through an alliance with Armenia and supported the right of Armenia against Turkish massacres against the Armenian people

Egypt supports the Kurds and highlights the crimes of the Turks against the Kurds
Egypt exposes Turkey and its support for ISIS, as well as stealing Syrian and Latakian oil through ISIS

Egypt was able to change the view of the Gulf states towards Turkey, so Turkey turned from friend to foe

Egypt cooperates with Syria, Libya, and Iraq, as Turkey is the enemy of all these countries

Egypt does not hide its fingers on anyone, we are happy that the Turks kill their soldiers every day without cost

The establishment of Egypt is an episode of enemies against Turkey, suffocating it and pliers against Turkey and Europe itself
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The investment model in the military industry varies from one country to another. Turkey, for example, to enter the military industry was cooperating closely with Israel and buying components from it to accept it in the international arms market. Also, Turkey pumped 15-20 billion dollars into the military industry. Did you get compensation for these investments? Things from another point of view

Egypt has a very limited investment in the military industry, so the returns are good for the investment

For example, they had a philosophy in the 1980s that produced and upgraded HY-2 / HY-4 anti-ship missiles.
Then, in 2010, Egypt replaced the production line for the HY-2 missile with the C-705KD to arm its light missile sheets and the planes as a light alternative to the Xost missile and fugitives on fighters.
Hence also at a very low cost

In 2017, Egypt went to the CM-302 for domestic manufacture with a license from China to replace the HY-4 missile to provide coastal defense capability with an advanced Ramjet missile.
With Egypt in 2013, in a deal with Moscow, receiving 2-4 Russian Bastion batteries to replace the previous missile P-15M / 22.

Give a very clear and simple example compared to Egypt and Turkey

Egypt in 1986 put up a tender for setting up a tank factory and assigned the factory to a coalition of companies at a cost of 150 million dollars for a factory on an area of 2 million square meters
After that, she signed a contract to produce 540 M1A1 tanks at the 200 Egyptian Military Factory worth $ 1 billion
Then followed the contracts for the production of more than 500 M1A1 tanks
200 armored vehicles, M88

And signed with Russia a contract to produce 500 tanks T-90MS locally at a cost of less than 2 billion dollars with the right of Egyptian local development for the entire part of the tank with Western and local technologies without any Russian restrictions and also with engines higher than the engine capacity of 1130 hp

Turkey paid 550 million dollars to South Korea, for South Korea to produce 4 Altay tanks, hand them over to Turkey, and transfer the technology to produce the tank parts.
Then, with the West refusing to supply engines, Turkey will invest 400 million dollars in developing the engine, and with Ukraine the technology and development of the ACTIVE protection system will be transferred to Zaslon, which made Turkey invest one billion dollars in developing a tank since 2008, and in 2020, Turkey failed to produce one tank next to the high cost of producing the tank More than 9 million euros, and may exceed 13.5 million euros

The result until 2023 Turkey is No new tank
While Egypt T-90MS tank production line provides a minimum of 4 tanks per month in that Egypt is planning to produce two new armored vehicles with light armored local development in the same factory. Egyptian armored models will appear in the Egyptian EDEX-2020 exhibition at the end of the year.

By 2023, Turkey will be investing more than a billion dollars and will not acquire any tanks, while Egypt will replace the old T-55 tanks with the T-90MS, and Egypt will go to produce a more advanced tank.
In other words, the Egyptian armor weapon will be equipped with 500 new tanks
Egypt is developing the M60 tanks locally and at a very low cost
Turkey paid Israel 670 million dollars to develop 170 M60 tanks, which were struck in Syria and by the Kurds many times, forcing Turkey to develop more M60 tanks for the M60T version because Turkey is unable to produce a main battle tank, especially after Turkey lost German Lubbord tanks to The hands of the Kurds, the mother of 60, and the Leopard by the Syrians, which led to the erosion of the Turkish tank weapon, which is unable to develop and obtain advanced tanks.

On the other hand, Egypt has more than 1700 M60 tanks, which are developing locally at a cost of less than half a million dollars for the tank, and not 4 million dollars for the Turkish tank.
Egypt is a country that possesses huge numbers of weapons, preferring to acquire new weapons, rather than developing outdated weapons whose life span exceeds the half-life of the stomach at great cost.
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For example, Egypt prefers to purchase more Rafale, MiG 35 and Sukhoi 35 instead of developing 16 thousand at a cost of 30 million dollars, including munitions.
The price of the MiG-35 equipped with AESA radar for Egypt will not exceed $ 50 million for 50 aircraft
And the price of Sukhoi 35 at a price of 100 million dollars, including munitions, and also a special development for it and a large amount of air, air and surface missiles

Instead of developing the Egyptian fleet of F-16 200 aircraft, at $ 6 billion, this figure equals the price of 120 MiG-35 aircraft Or 60 MiG 35 and 30 SU-35
Finally, the fleet of F-16 fleet to be added will not exceed 4,000 additional flying hours
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Another example, at the end of the 1970s, was Egypt producing Swing fire and AT-3 sager missiles

In the 1990s I replaced them with TOW & HJ-8 missiles

In 2015, Egypt proceeded to replace AT-3 SAGGER with Kornet missiles and with China HJ-10
Also with Serbia and the UAE for the ALAT missile for replace SWING FIRE
The production is also licensed under local production
There are things that some people are ignorant of, production with a license also has an additional advantage, the speed of service entry and production as needed, while starting with a missile product from the beginning, how many years does it take to develop and reach the production stage after the tests?
While I can produce with a license quickly, I am also developing either self-development or cooperating with the original product faster and at a lower cost.


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Turkey has invested 300 million dollars in research production of its plane, ANKA, for you to ship to 10 planes, which were supposed to be delivered by the end of 2012, and a late new contract for delivery was signed between 2016 to 2018.

At the same time, Egypt purchased 10 WING LOONG 1 planes, then 10 CH-4 aircraft
The cost was very low. The price of the plane was $ 1 million
Later Egypt signed a contract to produce 32 WING LOONG I-D aircraft at a cost of $ 64 million
It signed a local production contract for 76 WING LOONG II aircraft, at a cost of $ 380 million
Compare the cost of these planes together and the cost of producing 10 ANKA planes
Some slaughter will say Turkey will export 6 Inca planes to Tunisia in a suspected corruption deal for the Brotherhood gang in Tunisia at a price of 240 million dollars
While in Tunisia, with this number, Tunisia purchased 48 WING LOONG II aircraft with the same amount

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Ignorant Arabs are still lying and dreaming


-- Egypt bought MIG-29M2 without AESA Radar , not MIG-35
-- Egypt doesnt have any SU-35
-- Egyptian RAFALE Fighter Jets armed with only 60km MICA air to air missile ..... no any SCALP Cruise Missile
-- Egyptian F-16s are so pathetic without link16 data link , modern avionics , EW system and AIM-120 BVR air to air missile and witthout land attack cruise missile
-- Egyptian 1 FREMM Frigate is so pathetic without EW System and armed with only 16x ASTER-15 SAMs .. ( even 4 Turkish GABYA class Frigates armed with 32x SM1MR and 32x ESSM SAMs , also 4 Turkish BARBAROS class Frigates armed with 32-64x ESSM SAMs )
-- Egypt buys 4 Type-209 class Submarines ..... Turkish Navy has aldready 12 Type209 class Submarines also 6 Type214 class AIP Submarines are under construction
-- Egypt can not produce even Ballistic and Cruise Missiles , Anti ship and Air Deffense Missiles ... Egypt is nothing
-- Turkish UCAV fleet is enough to destroy all Egyptian Tanks , KA-52 and AH-64 Attack Helicopters ( Turkey is one of top5 countries in the world for UCAV technology )
-- Turkey is one of top5 countries in the world for EW technology
-- Turkish Army won in N.Cyprus,Iraq,Syria,Qatar,Somali and now in Libya ... GNA never will fall
-- Turkey has bigger GDP PPP than Egypt+Greece+Israel combined in the region


1 ) Cheap low quality Chinese Wing Loong which can not operate in high altitude , because of low quality electro-optics ..... therefore Turkish LASER Weapon shoot down Wing Loong UCAV in Libya

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even Turkey use only Bayraktar TB-2 Tactical UCAV in Libya
AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs can carry even 100 km KGK guided Bomb and 280km SOM Cruise Missile


2 ) Superior Turkish Navy 5 Frigates are near of Tripoli .... where is outdated aand weak Egyptian Navy
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3 ) a few days ago Turkish Airforce was in Libya to warn Egyptian Airforce not to attack GNA

Turkish Airforce has network centric warfare capability 17-20.4.2020
-- 11 F-16Cs armed with 120km AIM-120C7 air to air missiles and Link16 datalink
-- 1 Boeing E7T AEWC
-- 3 Boeing KC-135 Air refueling Tankers




and 59 Mercenaries who were neutralized by GNA were transferred to Egypt a few days ago
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Bravo GNA who is kicking HAFTAR , LNA , Russian WAGNER , Egypt , S.Arabia and The Uae
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no more waste time for ignorant and liar TROLLs .... TOPIC IS OVER
 
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One of the Seven Wonders of the World is compared to Turkey and Egypt
Members and readers must be respected and their intelligence respected

When armies and air forces are compared, the comparison is comprehensive and also by all standards, not manipulation of numbers or manipulation of imaginary specifications.
1 - Missing standards
2 - Driving efficiency
3 - Efficiency of individuals and specialists
4 - Available experiences
5 - Combat creed
6 - Self-confidence and just cause
7 - Reinforcement efficiency
8 - Efficient use of weapons and resources
9 - Reinforcement provides Good job
10 - Availability of common weapons systems and
good use of them


Egypt cannot be compared to Turkey in any case, not because of the delusions of Turkish industrial superiority and that Turkey is a country that has a developed air industry. These things cannot be explained by its lack of reality.

Rather, because Turkey is an occupied country with 28 NATO bases, and no Turkish would dare to enter any NATO bases

Turkey does not have talents
Turkey is a country defeated in all its wars during the past 100 years
Defeated in World War I
Stored in World War II
The Greek Air Force suppressed and shot down the Turkish 16 thousand planes and the Syrian Air Defense Force shot down the Turkish Venom

The Kurds manipulated the Turkish army and caused him tremendous losses. Turkey did not win over the Kurds. Turkey still kills one of its soldiers every week. Soldiers in Kurdistan

No one respects the Turkish army or recognizes its competence, in fact, it is essentially for whom they are talking


How can the great Egyptian army be compared to an army that has been stripped and defeated from the inside?

Where do you call it Turkish and Erdogan army separated most of the army command and expelled

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Turkey has dismissed 18,630 military members since failed 2016 coup: ministry


Turkey separated 300 pilots from the Turkish Air Force, despite the contraction of the Turkish Air Force with the exit of the Phantom planes, and also the consumption of large hours of the age of the 16 thousand planes, and after the exit of the 5 thousand aircraft

Let's see the truth of things

Numerous senior and field-grade officers were purged. More than 300 F-16 pilots were dismissed. This defanged the Turkish military as a political threat, and strengthened the value official rule of Erdogan and his neo-Ottoman Justice and Development Party, which has imprisoned many journalists. But it left a gaping question: who would be left to fly Turkey's jet fighters?


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/turkey-how-one-country-destroyed-their-own-air-force-110581



Turkey has several problems at once

The lack of pilots, as well as the lack of professional pilots as a result of the exit of most of the experienced pilots from the air force by expulsion and separation, as well as early exit to work for civilian airline pilots to provide them with a better income

You either collapsed, and an air force was destroyed

Turkey suffers from a western armament ban now, which affects the illusion of Turkish superiority in the military industry


" Italy, the top arms exporter to Turkey last year, said it would join a ban on selling weapons and ammunition to Ankara after a weekend decision by France and Germany to suspend sales, and Spain signaled it was ready to do so. "

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...les-to-turkey-but-avoid-embargo-idUSKBN1WT0M4




Let us clarify simple things
Failed to produce a Turkish fighter jet TFX No engine No foreign countries will cooperate with Turkey in manufacturing the fighter In Britain did not provide the engine Eurojet EJ200 in favor of the production of advanced training aircraft or Turkish fighter

America expelled Turkey from the project of 35 thousand

Turkey now has a catastrophe, but it does not find fighters entering service

Neither the Russians will provide them with the SU-35 nor the SU-57

The Turkish Altay tank project has failed since 2008
we are in 2020 Germany ban MTU engines finished

You are facing a country that has a ban, sanctions, and technology transfer to Turkey

So now Turkey
Turkey lost competencies in its army, lost pilots, Turkey lost leaders and air planners
Western technology lost
ban arms

It is trying to get the spare parts of the 16 thousand before completing its ban a year ago


Erdogan has already destroyed the Turkish army


Let's move on to the next point, the misery of the Turkish military industry, and the photos will explain this in the following post

ouch,,,,,,,,that hurts so bad :suicide:
 
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Happy to chat with you, because you cannot deny what a note is, but hesitated to talk a lot like a parrot.


Actually, you are the worst person to defend Turkey, because you are really considered its fiercest enemy because you are simply ignorant of the facts of things.

1 - I did not actually complete the true Egyptian capabilities in armaments, but it simply makes me happy with your silly responses

Turkey fights, through its tools, terrorist groups because its army loses a lot. You also do not understand the Turkish army’s fear of direct engagement because it loses a lot and quickly. This is not an army.

Turkey did not win, entered Syria, lost the land that was under its armed hands, and became the one receiving the strikes

Lies about sending F-16 to Turkey and flying airlifting fuel. This is an invention of a idiot. Only the gullible is believed. The same is true. Turkey does not have 5 fries. As for the Libyan coasts, where do these lies come from?

On the other hand, at the hands of the Libyan army

1 - 50 drones were destroyed and the reputation of the Turkish drones collapsed

2 - Turkish armored vehicles were destroyed, and those who were thinking of buying a Turkish armored vehicle became a failure and a traitor to a homeland, and he chose a bad product.

3 - Turkey, as previously advised, is a new member of the technology, not an innovator. Rather, it stems from Europe and Israel, and even its products are not equal to Russian products.

4 - Turkey sells arms to followers from the traitors of the homelands who rule Tunisia, Malaysia

5 - Bahrain regretted its purchase of the Turkish armored vehicles that were destroyed in Yemen and the Emirates, so its armored vehicle was a redesign of the Turkish armored vehicle, as it is completely different in specifications from the armored armor.

Turkish army

So, simply, Turkey says that it is fighting and is even being defeated

Egypt entered several small wars after the 73 war and won it ,It has various military strikes

1 - With Libya in 1977, I crushed the Libyan army

2 - In Sudan, landed F-16 planes to protect Sudan from the Libyan TU-22 bombers

3 - The second Gulf War, Egypt was the largest land weapon fought against Iraq after America, so Egypt entered the country of Kuwait with the armor of 2 armored divisions and several brigades.

4- Blows in the 1970s against Ethiopia Dam at the time

6 - In Libya in 2015, an integrated air attack, Turkey could not implement the same, as it carried out with early warning planes, fighters F-16 and Mirage-2000 against terrorist camps, and explained the availability and accuracy of Egyptian information with 60 aircraft
include AEW & ELINT EW AIRCRAFT



You want Turkey to say that it is fighting in Syria the losses it has from the lands it occupies
With the Kurds, every day Turkey loses south and dies like dogs without price
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In Libya, the first 35 Turkish soldiers were killed and Turkey refused to receive the bodies of some of them, so the Libyans left the bodies of the Turks to the dogs in order to eat the dogs

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Is a frigate infiltrated under the name of maneuvers with Algeria on a training trip that it calls war, you are like cowards, from direct confrontation, and this nature of the Turks is always impossible to fight like men or face with naked issues, for courage does not exist with traitors like you
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Lie 5 frigate What is this nonsense and idiocy Do you think we are ignorant like you to believe your lies and nonsense
The Turkish navy is truly miserable, as there is no room for personnel efficiency or special equipment efficiency after 2016

Later in another post, we will clarify the size of the capabilities of the Egyptian Air Force to explain to you how much the catastrophe facing Turkey and who has the most powerful air force in years and how the real Turkish military capabilities collapse with the arms embargo on them. You deal with you delicious because it exposes Turkey not only

About Turkey and its hostility to Egypt
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Turkey, after the Egyptian people expelled the Muslim Brotherhood, created hostility with Egypt

Egypt is an old and powerful country, and it has always struck at it fatal to its enemies. What did it do with Turkey?

Egypt has established a military alliance with Greece and Cyprus
Egypt

Organized the Mediterranean Gas Forum, Turkey is expelled, rejected, and Turkey is begging for cooperation in the field of oil and gas until it gains any gains, and everyone is expelling it and does not want to give it to a point of oil or poison from the gas

Egypt demands the prosecution of Turkey's crimes against humanity through an alliance with Armenia and supported the right of Armenia against Turkish massacres against the Armenian people

Egypt supports the Kurds and highlights the crimes of the Turks against the Kurds
Egypt exposes Turkey and its support for ISIS, as well as stealing Syrian and Latakian oil through ISIS

Egypt was able to change the view of the Gulf states towards Turkey, so Turkey turned from friend to foe

Egypt cooperates with Syria, Libya, and Iraq, as Turkey is the enemy of all these countries

Egypt does not hide its fingers on anyone, we are happy that the Turks kill their soldiers every day without cost

The establishment of Egypt is an episode of enemies against Turkey, suffocating it and pliers against Turkey and Europe itself
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Oh damn bro, you've got some serious "RECEIPTS" here..will read this in more detail soon.
 
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The investment model in the military industry varies from one country to another. Turkey, for example, to enter the military industry was cooperating closely with Israel and buying components from it to accept it in the international arms market. Also, Turkey pumped 15-20 billion dollars into the military industry. Did you get compensation for these investments? Things from another point of view

Egypt has a very limited investment in the military industry, so the returns are good for the investment

For example, they had a philosophy in the 1980s that produced and upgraded HY-2 / HY-4 anti-ship missiles.
Then, in 2010, Egypt replaced the production line for the HY-2 missile with the C-705KD to arm its light missile sheets and the planes as a light alternative to the Xost missile and fugitives on fighters.
Hence also at a very low cost

In 2017, Egypt went to the CM-302 for domestic manufacture with a license from China to replace the HY-4 missile to provide coastal defense capability with an advanced Ramjet missile.
With Egypt in 2013, in a deal with Moscow, receiving 2-4 Russian Bastion batteries to replace the previous missile P-15M / 22.

Give a very clear and simple example compared to Egypt and Turkey

Egypt in 1986 put up a tender for setting up a tank factory and assigned the factory to a coalition of companies at a cost of 150 million dollars for a factory on an area of 2 million square meters
After that, she signed a contract to produce 540 M1A1 tanks at the 200 Egyptian Military Factory worth $ 1 billion
Then followed the contracts for the production of more than 500 M1A1 tanks
200 armored vehicles, M88

And signed with Russia a contract to produce 500 tanks T-90MS locally at a cost of less than 2 billion dollars with the right of Egyptian local development for the entire part of the tank with Western and local technologies without any Russian restrictions and also with engines higher than the engine capacity of 1130 hp

Turkey paid 550 million dollars to South Korea, for South Korea to produce 4 Altay tanks, hand them over to Turkey, and transfer the technology to produce the tank parts.
Then, with the West refusing to supply engines, Turkey will invest 400 million dollars in developing the engine, and with Ukraine the technology and development of the ACTIVE protection system will be transferred to Zaslon, which made Turkey invest one billion dollars in developing a tank since 2008, and in 2020, Turkey failed to produce one tank next to the high cost of producing the tank More than 9 million euros, and may exceed 13.5 million euros

The result until 2023 Turkey is No new tank
While Egypt T-90MS tank production line provides a minimum of 4 tanks per month in that Egypt is planning to produce two new armored vehicles with light armored local development in the same factory. Egyptian armored models will appear in the Egyptian EDEX-2020 exhibition at the end of the year.

By 2023, Turkey will be investing more than a billion dollars and will not acquire any tanks, while Egypt will replace the old T-55 tanks with the T-90MS, and Egypt will go to produce a more advanced tank.
In other words, the Egyptian armor weapon will be equipped with 500 new tanks
Egypt is developing the M60 tanks locally and at a very low cost
Turkey paid Israel 670 million dollars to develop 170 M60 tanks, which were struck in Syria and by the Kurds many times, forcing Turkey to develop more M60 tanks for the M60T version because Turkey is unable to produce a main battle tank, especially after Turkey lost German Lubbord tanks to The hands of the Kurds, the mother of 60, and the Leopard by the Syrians, which led to the erosion of the Turkish tank weapon, which is unable to develop and obtain advanced tanks.

On the other hand, Egypt has more than 1700 M60 tanks, which are developing locally at a cost of less than half a million dollars for the tank, and not 4 million dollars for the Turkish tank.
Egypt is a country that possesses huge numbers of weapons, preferring to acquire new weapons, rather than developing outdated weapons whose life span exceeds the half-life of the stomach at great cost.
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For example, Egypt prefers to purchase more Rafale, MiG 35 and Sukhoi 35 instead of developing 16 thousand at a cost of 30 million dollars, including munitions.
The price of the MiG-35 equipped with AESA radar for Egypt will not exceed $ 50 million for 50 aircraft
And the price of Sukhoi 35 at a price of 100 million dollars, including munitions, and also a special development for it and a large amount of air, air and surface missiles

Instead of developing the Egyptian fleet of F-16 200 aircraft, at $ 6 billion, this figure equals the price of 120 MiG-35 aircraft Or 60 MiG 35 and 30 SU-35
Finally, the fleet of F-16 fleet to be added will not exceed 4,000 additional flying hours
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Another example, at the end of the 1970s, was Egypt producing Swing fire and AT-3 sager missiles

In the 1990s I replaced them with TOW & HJ-8 missiles

In 2015, Egypt proceeded to replace AT-3 SAGGER with Kornet missiles and with China HJ-10
Also with Serbia and the UAE for the ALAT missile for replace SWING FIRE
The production is also licensed under local production
There are things that some people are ignorant of, production with a license also has an additional advantage, the speed of service entry and production as needed, while starting with a missile product from the beginning, how many years does it take to develop and reach the production stage after the tests?
While I can produce with a license quickly, I am also developing either self-development or cooperating with the original product faster and at a lower cost.


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Turkey has invested 300 million dollars in research production of its plane, ANKA, for you to ship to 10 planes, which were supposed to be delivered by the end of 2012, and a late new contract for delivery was signed between 2016 to 2018.

At the same time, Egypt purchased 10 WING LOONG 1 planes, then 10 CH-4 aircraft
The cost was very low. The price of the plane was $ 1 million
Later Egypt signed a contract to produce 32 WING LOONG I-D aircraft at a cost of $ 64 million
It signed a local production contract for 76 WING LOONG II aircraft, at a cost of $ 380 million
Compare the cost of these planes together and the cost of producing 10 ANKA planes
Some slaughter will say Turkey will export 6 Inca planes to Tunisia in a suspected corruption deal for the Brotherhood gang in Tunisia at a price of 240 million dollars
While in Tunisia, with this number, Tunisia purchased 48 WING LOONG II aircraft with the same amount

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what a dumb analyze:p:...

winlong are shot down by your own airdefence haftar ahahah....

no IFF nothing but shit...

That will happen with that different fighters shooting each other in the sky....

R&D cost money but he you are good in buying toys. Do what you are good in8-).
 
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Turks on this forum should not be driven by the BS talk of sisi supporters. Egyptians will never accept to go in war against Turks.

paid trolls will disappear one day, hopefully I hope they all die of cancer.
 
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Some people are ignorant of things that make him think that he possesses strong strengths despite the opposite



Egypt The Egyptian Air Force differs from NATO slaves or NATO members



Egypt is a country that depends since 1976 on the multiplicity of arms sources for very simple reasons, so as not to fall under pressure from any source, whether Western or eastern weapons.

Consequently, Egypt does not rely on data-linking systems that belong to the east or west camp, but rather systems that are specially designed to integrate eastern and western fighters. This has been the case since the 1980s. The same command and Egyptian command networks link the eastern and western radars through advanced command and control networks and use adapters to link them to fuse data in the unified network. By taking advantage of all the equipment, therefore, no naive cave can say, "We do not have IFF or acquaintance systems.



Realty We have from long time

“Background. The APX-101(V) was built to NATO

Mk XII IFF standard. Following its first foreign sale to

Norway in 1986, the APX-101(V) was used on all F-15

and F-16 aircraft sold via Foreign Military Sales (FMS)

until 1990. Egypt is the only exception, using a Soviet

IFF system operating on a frequency of 675 MHz (0.6

GHz).

Historically, F-16s destined for Egypt had their

APX-101(V)s removed and replaced by another

Teledyne unit, the TEC-60, which was jointly designed

by Egypt and Teledyne. The same set is believed to

have been installed in Egypt’s MiG-21s, Su-7s, F-4s

and Mirage 5s.

In 1990, the APX-111(V), a combined interrogator/

transponder (CIT), began to replace the APX-101(V) on

the F-16. Since then, other new transponders

(APX-113/114(V), APX-117/118(V)) have replaced the

APX-101(V) in many platforms.

The Air Force Materiel Command published a Sources

Sought notice in July 2003 for potential sources with

the expertise, capability, facilities, and experience to

meet the requirements for depot repair of the

RT-1063C/APX-101(V) IFF transponder. “









We are not a country that relies on one plane type in the air force. Weak countries like Turkey currently have a single fighter."

F-16 fighter jets operate as an air defense because Turkey does not possess a sophisticated air defense network from the ground up. Even the two sterile S-400 batteries do not operate, therefore Turkey intends 16-24 HAWK battery, old Ripper missiles, the Singer and the Nike Hercules, and it is not considered an effective air weapon primarily from except in the imagination The succession of the Caliphate



The gullible joy that Turkey has 4 AEW planes a few simple years ago shows that Turkey was a failed state from the eighties until the year 2014 did not have early warning planes from the basis of a contract was 2003 and Turkey failed to receive it before 2014 after long years’ delay and does not know whether the level of cadres Flying a plane is lagging behind, like the leaders in Turkey or expelled in 2016 as well



The Egyptian Air Force does not compare to 230 F-16 aircraft. The true number of the Turkish F-16 planes is unknown because several planes fell during the coup. Turkey did not dare to announce the remaining real numbers of the planes, but there are other indications.



It shows how modest the Turkish air force performed several weeks ago. Turkey tried to review a limited number of F-16 aircraft in the airspace Greece, and it did not take more than two minutes until the Turkish planes besieged more than 30 Greek fighters, which made the Turkish pilots terrify and escape immediately from the Greek trap while the Air Force The Turkish people did not dare to send fighters in Turkey at the time, how effective were the F-16 Turkish fighter aircraft?



The extent of the ability of the Turkish Air Force to mobilize large numbers of F-16 fighters at one time in light of the ban on exporting spare parts of F-16 from America to Turkey now in a country like Turkey with the help of Pakistani pilots because it no longer has pilots for the remaining F-16 fleet





Boasting about 300 Turkish AIM-120 missiles is another naive

Historically, the French Mirage 2000 managed to jam the AIM-120 while flying over Serbia in the Balkan War and survived

Turkish AIM-120 missiles have some ability not to escape, they have limited incompatibility even with mica, and their effectiveness is also not as some so-called naive people claim.

Even the Pakistani-Indian conflicts are not exaggerated for each party, and none of them have proven anything real except for the crash of one Indian MiG-21 and Mi-17 plane, not all claims by both parties to glorify themselves, so the Global Air Force has not effectively used these clashes



The story of the AIM-120 exaggerated the Turks in their equipment. For example, an attempt to suggest that the Turkish AIM-120 extends 120 km, even though its range does not exceed 105 km at the same time. Reducing the range of mica. In the direct hit



Egypt has 44-50 MIG-29 M2 in one deal 300 R-77 missiles of the latest production Some have been comparing production of R-77 missiles for more than 15 years with modern production missiles to suggest an illusion of superiority as India has poor maintenance and maintenance of equipment so it is not a measure of Basis



As one type of Egyptian fighters, Egypt has more than 450 R-77 missiles, with more than R-77-1 and R-77M.



Mica Missile are on

Mirage 5 Horus, which is the reason for Indian protests and pressure on France not to deliver Egyptian Mirage 5 fighters to Pakistan because part of us is a fleet equipped with Praderart RC-400 and mica missiles

Mirage 2000 also possesses mica missiles of thermal and radar quality

Rafale is equipped with a first batch of mica with 150 missiles as well

F-16 are equipped with Sparrow missiles, and China offers adaptations for merging PL-15s over F-16, and we previously mentioned that Egypt does not prefer the development of 170 F-16 models of C/D at a high cost, simply Egypt, instead of developing F-16 at a cost of $ 20-30 million per plane and merging newer munitions into it.

It prefers to purchase a new batch of 50 MiG-35s, priced at $ 50-55 million



The Meteor missiles are coming to Egypt simply because the terms of the main contract with France is the demotion of the Meteor and Scalp
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Rather, Egypt prefers to buy weapons from non-American sources, as the Egyptian and Indian Rafale provide the Kh-31 missile with an anti-ship and anti-radar version.

Egypt is cooperating with India to integrate several Indian missiles such as the ASTRA & BrahMos-NG missile in rafale

And South African bombs produced in Egypt, such as the Al Tariq PGM family 40-200KM

Egypt manufactures bomb guide kit years ago and integrates its bombs into fighters. Egypt has manufactured a series of western, eastern and Egyptian bombs for many years.

Hence, Egypt has F-16 equipped with 1300 Sparrow missiles, not with a range of 70 km, but with a range greater than 85 km. AIM-7F / M / P: 85 kilometers.



Egypt is currently requesting a large batch of R-37M missiles with a range of 300 km, as it will be supplied to the SU-35 and the MiG-29M / 35.



Regarding the MiG-29M, the Egyptian is the best version of the MiG-29, it is a comprehensive development of the plane until the radar ZHUK-MC developed from the radar used on the MiG-29K Russian and Indian years 2015-2016



Egypt is the main customer of the ZHUK-AE radar, where it ordered 50 models and also requests a new batch of MIG-35 equipped with this radar.




Egypt The Egyptian Air Force possesses a qualitative and quantitative advantage over the Turkish Air Force



We will not talk about Egyptian numerical or qualitative superiority either, but we do clarify simple things to uncover some of the capabilities of the Egyptian Air Force, from which the Turks are affiliated.



Egypt gets out of service of the ancient MiG-21 and F-7 fighters in China

Training and ground attack Fajit and Mirage 5



At the same time, she contracted on 26-29 SU-35, and the Egyptian version postponed her contract with the Russians until the Russians met Egyptian demands



All Egyptian eastern fighters differ from the original Russian and Chinese versions. Let us show a simple example

When Egypt requested the K-8E for its production, it made 33 amendments to it

Besides I asked that 60% of the composite materials in the structure be corrected instead of 25% in the Sino-Pakistani plane, and China responded to the Egyptian contract



When Egypt requested the MiG-29, Egypt requested with it 40 T-220i PODS

She requested a series of modifications to the plane and even her armament chain



There are two Egyptian MIG-29 planes, there are still two planes in Moscow, where a series of Russian ammunition has been tried on them, starting with the Kh-38 series.
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KH-38

KH-36 GROM E1 with Kh-58UShE missile and 3M-54AE missile

Besides merging the American bombs on the Rafale and MIG-29 fighters, Egypt unifies a series of locally and locally produced American bombs, such as the Al Tariq Precision-guided Bomb Kit, which is a reinforced range of up to 200 km, and it will be integrated over the F-16 Egyptian also.



We go to another point

The SU-35 Egypt complicates it after the Russians agreed to amendments to the Egyptian SU-35 to raise its efficiency instead of the Russian caliphate that existed for the Russian and Chinese Air Force as there are comprehensive updates on it to reduce the weight and increase the efficiency of the plane

Also the deal includes a large amount of Russian weapons, surface-to-surface and air-to-surface





One of the most important Egyptian achievements is Egypt cutting the way to purchase the SU-35 Turkish aircraft from Moscow, where the Russian production lines for the SU-35 fighters were occupied until 2023, as the Egyptian SU-35 is equipped with some components from the Russian SU-57, and this is what happened with the Egyptian T-90MS supplied Some systems of the Russian Armata tank



Thus, after expelling the Turks from the F-35 fighter project and also Europe refused to supply Turkey with the engine EUROJET EJT-200, which made the Turks ask the Russians to provide them with the RD-33 to supply the Turkish training plane HURJET with it, and the Russians may agree because the merger on this plane will delay its entry into service under The lack of an engine for the Turks

Turks look for RD-33 for europian engine ban

At the same time, even if the Russians agreed to sell the SU-35, the Turks would hand over the first plane in 2024 or 2025 and maybe 2026 if the Turks wanted to incorporate some modifications.


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The SU-35 also has an advantage, which is the incorporation of some Chinese systems and missiles, such as the Chinese PL-20/21, on them. The advantage of Russian fighters is their acceptance of weapons and ammunition from non-Russian foreign sources only.

All Egypt's contracts with France and Russia in the fighters are the freedom to merge other munitions. We are not a dumb to rely on a single source of ammunition, but rather a variety, so that we do not fall under the restrictions unlike Turkey, which is failing to buy western or eastern fighters and is now prohibited from selling fighters.



There are currently negotiations to sell Egypt numbers f-16 Egyptian to Botswana, perhaps 12-20 aircraft, and Egypt is replacing them with 20 F-16V planes. America offers these planes to Egypt through aid at a low price that will not exceed 120 million dollars for the plane including ammunition instead of the prevailing $ 150 million. Now to copy F-16V





Egypt has 218 F16

It has 44-50 MiG 29M

It owns 35 Mirage 2000

It owns 24 Rafale

12 AT-802 aircraft

Under delivery 26-29 SU-35



Egypt plans 50 additional MiG-35 aircraft and 12-24 RAFALE F-4 aircraft. In the event that there is no agreement with the French, Egypt will add a further batch of the SU-35, increasing the number to 60

SU-35 fighters.



Then he moved to the SU-57 and the Chinese FC-31 after 2025





Turkey, in the year 2020, we were expelled from the F-35 project and banned the sale of fighters to it. It does not have the funding to buy any European fighters that fall under the ban and soon under sanctions.



Continue to rely on the Turkish F-16 BLOCK 50+ aircraft, theoretically 207 and the actual numbers are lower

The number of 30 F-16 Block 30 aircraft

Turkey will have to extend the life of the F-4 aircraft to operate in service to compete with Iran on scrap planes





We will find that the Egyptian Air Force comes with the exit of the Chinese F7 fighters with an additional package of MiG-35

It has completed 44-50 MiG-35 aircraft all with AESA radars

26 SU-35 aircraft

24 Rafale

35 Mirage 2000 aircraft

218 F-16s

By 2022, the total will be 349 compared to 237 F-16 Turkish aircraft



Egypt may enter the JF-17B instead of the Alphjet service with 48 aircraft, as the Yak 130 equipped with the BARS 130 radar competes with the Pakistani JF-17B with the L-15B.



While Turkey has failed to obtain a Western engine for training and fighter planes, it has failed to buy fighters, too. America will not allow Turkey to buy even the AAM-120D missile.



We will find the Egyptian Air Force at 150% Power compared to the Turkish Air Force

Additional inheritance. The average consumption of Turkish fighter fighters 16 thousand is much higher than the Egyptian. The number of Turkish air force fighters has weakened, and the lack of medium or long-range air defense systems other than hawks SAM means more flying hours for the Turkish Air Force to avoid these defects.

This is very clear easily. Greece, which has an air force smaller than the Turkish, can mobilize F-16 fighters more than Turkey can mobilize, even though Turkey has more planes than Greece.

Where Turkey consumed a fleet of F-16 Turkish in air defense missions, and also in strikes against Kurdish villages and Kurdish peasants, to burn Kurdish farms with Turkish planes, and to support ISIS in Syria.

Turkish air force crises

We find that Turkish fighters have limited remaining Flying hours left, and suffers from a lack of pilots and suffers from the consumption of Turkish fighters and the lack of suppliers of fighters.



So the Turks are trying to compensate for the shortage of fighter jets with drone, and this is another disaster. The scandals of the Turkish drone plane in Libya and Syria and the huge losses caused Turkey to withdraw the Turkish air force stocks from the T2B to compensate for the daily drop in it in Libya and the ANKA-B / S in Syria and Libya, which The Syrians and the Libyans have also succeeded in bringing down the Turkish Air Force stockpiles of unmanned planes, therefore, and cannot get more because of the daily crash rate in Libya, which exceeds the ability of Turkish factories to compensate these facts, not the dreams of children and fools.

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We return to the disasters occurred to the Turkish drone, the AKanguUR, 3 piloted and controlled planes were tried in Libya, and the Libyan army succeeded in bringing them down, which made the project of the plane fail before it entered active service after the Libyan shot down. Which will be equipped with a weaker engine for the Turks not received the Ukrainian engine AL-450S yet



We will not talk about the humility of the Turkish level in training and the humility and misery of the leaders



The Turks boast 4 AEW planes and forget about the Turkish disaster, which is the electronic warfare plane



Egypt possesses a fleet of electronic warfare aircraft on the ground, and not Turkish dreams of planes that have not yet been serviced after the departure of the Turkish T-160 from service.



Egypt doubled the EC-130 / H Compass Call. From 2 to 4 It has been upgraded

Egypt owns 4 Beechcraft 1900D electronic warfare aircraft and 4 Beechcraft 1900 patrol planes

Egypt has 3 Cessna 680 ISR/ELINT birds for intelligence gathering tasks

Egypt has replaced Mi_8 & COMMANDO with 12 MIL Mi-17 aircraft equipped with electronic warfare (EW) missions

Egypt owns 4 Falcon-20E EW planes that are still in service. Samar is developing electronic warfare aircraft continuously while the Turks only have a miserable T-160 plane and they are waiting for a new plane to come.



Besides, every Egyptian fighter has been supplying warehouses with electronic warfare for every fighter since the 1980s

And such a matter, scoring warehouses, for example, Egypt possesses twice as much as Turkey has over its fighter jets, such as AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN , Sniper, Damoclès, Talios and T-220I. with more than 250 Tragating pod



Egypt preceded Turkey by supplying and equipping the CH-4/5 drone with electronic warfare warehouses that work with Egyptian intelligence



Simply put, Egypt employs its plane well and diversely

Not as foolish as some of them assume that they possess limited numbers of missiles and helmets, their unfortunate air force, which was insulted by Greece and broken several times, is superior to an Egyptian air force that ranks the world higher than the Turkish.



Egypt is superior in quantity and quality to the Turks



What the Turks do not know about the Egyptian Air Force is not only quantitative and numerical hiccups, but the effectiveness of fighters, for example, the small ages of fighters

MiG-29, Rafale and the last batch of F-16 , i.e. 90 fighters in service, against the last batch of us, LF 16, for Turkey, 30 F-16 aircraft simply means the ability to carry out missions for Egyptian Air Force fighters is higher than Turkish


The new planes carry out tasks 90-95%.

10-year-old fighter jets mission execution rate down from 90-80%

Turks in this case have several disasters combined, either challenging the Egyptian giant

Egypt can easily carry out 705 sorties of combat with Egyptian Air Force fighters, with an average of 1.5 sorties for the fleet of 350 fighters and 120 light attack aircraft


We will assume that the Turkish Air Force has the same effectiveness as the Egyptian Air Force, and this is a false assumption, as it is less than the shortage of pilots and technicians, as well as spare parts, after America banned Turkey's fighters and spare parts. Carrying out an additional 50 sorties, that is, 400 flights, every day, which shows


The capacity of the Egyptian Air Force 700 compared to 400 for the number of daily flights

Egyptian fighters serve more than 20 different electronic warfare birds and are supported by 150 UCAV aircraft, which Turkey finds itself bare from the real electronic warfare naked and bare drones that fell like flies in Libya and Syria.


Also, the attack helicopters have found Egypt

89 heavy assault attack helicopter and 89 light assault gazelle aircraft in front of 59 T-129 light Attack helicopter and 10 Super Cobra / Copters for competition


Armed versions of the Egyptian Mi-24 and MI-17 that were not counted, and here we will thank the Kurds for their destruction and the sabotage of 30 Turkish helicopters of various types in their war against the Turkish army, which deprived the fortunes of Afrin and the Kurdish regions.








The Turks, of course, are poor and they fell into the trap, as we built a good belt of enemies for them

And every day they fall in a series of human losses from our Kurdish, Libyan and Syrian allies, where Turkish soldiers with cheap blood are killed for nothing but dreams of stealing the wealth of peoples in the eastern Mediterranean in the name of Khalifa Al-thieves.

Look at the map of conflicts. We will find the Turks in Libya are losing every day

Attracted Kurdish workers

The lack of legitimacy of the Turks in the fighting, they fight in Syria and Libya to steal the wealth of peoples and under the lie of the Kalifha, who must absorb the blood of peoples and their wealth for the sake of Turkish allies living on these countries and under the pretext of passing the plans of the West in a democratic lie that does not apply as a Turkish ruled by a sick dictator with a love of domination and plunder of peoples and that The Islamic world prevails, which will destroy Turkey soon, in order to attain this corrupt belief. It will make Turkey crush that the attempt to approach the vital field of a country like Egypt

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For example, it is sufficient for us to support the Kurds, Libyans, and Syrians to see the blood of the Turks ask every day without losing one drop of Egyptian blood more expensive than Turkey as a state, people and successor to a criminal.

We are the people of Egypt who previously crushed the Turkish navy in the past

We are Egyptians, not affiliated with Sisi. We are not like following Erdogan and his gang



Whoever calls for someone who wants to protect cancer and homeland

For the sake of his followers of criminals, God will not respond to the wrongdoers. Rather, the supplication will be reverted to his body first, because the agents of criminals will inevitably avenge them.

The Turks are like any people in the world who are good and corrupt, and we are not enemies of Turkey but rather enemies of Turkey's criminal policy and there are millions of Turks who will destroy the Turkish system soon because it destroys Turkey as a country
 
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We are not a country that relies on one plane type in the air force. Weak countries like Turkey currently have a single fighter."

F-16 fighter jets operate as an air defense because Turkey does not possess a sophisticated air defense network from the ground up. Even the two sterile S-400 batteries do not operate, therefore Turkey intends 16-24 HAWK battery, old Ripper missiles, the Singer and the Nike Hercules, and it is not considered an effective air weapon primarily from except in the imagination The succession of the Caliphate

what a joke user ..... are you living on MARS ? your lies and anti Turkish propaganda wont work

in 2018 Turkiye had bigger economy than Egypt+Greece+Israel combined

Turkiye spent over $60 billion for humanitarian aid for muslim countries in the last 9 years
so Turkiye would buy all Egyptian Armed Forces for $60 billion

Turkiye is not stupid to buy Fighter Jets from several countries ( the US,France,Russia ) as like buying tomato from Market

Turkiye produced F-16 and GE-F110 Engine under license including for the Egyptian Airforce
Turkiye joined to the F-35 JSF program as a global partner
and Turkiye develops its own HURJET and TF-X Fighter Jets

Turkiye doesnt need old technologies like RAFALE and MIG-29M2


and Turkiye create one of the best Air Defense Capability in the world

-- American STINGER and Turkish PORSAV MANPADS
-- Turkish KORKUT 35mm SPAAG
-- Turkish HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System
-- Turkish HISAR-O medium altitude Air Defense System
-- Turkish SIPER high altitude Air Defense System
-- Russian S-400 high altitude Air Defense System
-- Turkish 20 kw and 60 kw high energy LASER Weapons
-- American F-16 Fighter Jets with 120km AIM-120C7 networked air to air missile
-- Turkish AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs with AESA Radar and 65 km GOKDOGAN air to air missile
-- Turkish 600 km EIRS Early Warning AESA Radar
-- American Boeing E7-T AEWC
-- Turkish HAVASOJ airborne stand off Jammer
-- Turkish KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems
-- Turkish TF-2000 class Air Warfare Destroyer


btw weak countries as like Egypt who can not develop IFF System , Targeting and Jamming Pods , AESA Radars , Electronic Warfare Systems , guided Bombs , Anti Tank Missiles , Cruise Missiles , Anti ship Missile , Air to Air Missiles, Anti radiation Missile , Air Defense Systems , UAVs , UCAVs , Attack and Utility Helicopters , high energy LASER and Electromagnetic Rail Gun , Howitzer , Ballistic Missile , Corvette , Frigate , Destroyer , LCT , LST , LHD , Fighter Jet , Submarine , Communition Satellite , RAMJET , Turboprob , Turbojet , Turboshaft and Turbofan Engines and many more

on the other hand regional super power Turkiye develops all of them

and Turkiye kicked France,Greece,Egypt,Iran,Russian WAGNER,The Uae and S.Arabia in Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean ... thanks to Turkish Defense Industry


No more waste time for super liar Daydreamer user like you
 
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Turks on this forum should not be driven by the BS talk of sisi supporters. Egyptians will never accept to go in war against Turks.

paid trolls will disappear one day, hopefully I hope they all die of cancer.
Be careful of what you call people who don't agree with your BS.. and be careful of what you wish them.. because it is what might just happen to you..get cancer and die..:woot::lol:
 
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They spend so much money on military hardware, what they spend on the people ?
 
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Lets face it sir..we saw what eygpy can do in israel -arab ward

Eygpt outnumber isreal 10:1 ...
This shows you have no clue about the 1973 war..Egypt attacked with 100 000 men and Syria with 80 000 men while Usrael mobilised 400 000 men on top of its regular army..plus volunteers from Europe, the US, South Africa, Australia and more..all dual citizens..So it was a ratio of 2:1 for Usrael and still defeated and forced to capitulate with a face saving peace deal concocted by its most staunch supporter the US.. So Try to get your facts right before pulling comments from thin air..
 
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This shows you have no clue about the 1973 war..Egypt attacked with 100 000 men and Syria with 80 000 men while Usrael mobilised 400 000 men on top of its regular army..plus volunteer from Europe the US, South Africa, Australia and more..all dual citizens..So it was a ratio of 2:1 for Usrael and still defeated and forced to capitulate with a face saving peace deal concocted by it most staunch supporter the US.. So Try to get your facts right before pulling comments from thin air..
This is not true.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
 
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Where does it say it is not true..

And read this, not Usraeli propaganda..everytime you see Yom-Kippur war..you can be sure it is propaganda and false facts..Arabs call it the Ramadan war..

And here is something important to meditate on:

1973 Arab-Israeli conflict: The Truth once and for all


They Said about the War


Introduction

The October 1973 War, a radical turning-point in the course of Arab-Israeli conflict, has evoked interest by military leaders, strategists, research and study centers and media around the world. This is due to the fact that this war had had far-reaching repercussions and impact on the Middle East region, not only on the military and strategic level but also on the overall political and economic life of the world as a whole. Statements by contemporary witnesses to the war are the most truthful historical accounts, documenting facts and impartially and objectively assessing results of the war. Such testimonies should be particularly true, when they are made by major strategists and military experts around the world let alone those witnesses from the other side. After the lapse of a quarter a century, it might be beneficial to review these testimonies in order to learn lessons from the October 1973 War.

Israeli Testimonies

Reporting Golda Meir, Israeli Prime Minister during October War:

The Egyptians crossed the canal and hit hard our forces in Sinai. The Syrians pushed deep into the Golan Heights. We incurred grave losses on both fronts. The agonizing question at that time was should we or should we not inform the nation of the truth about the bad situation?!.
In writing on the Yom Kippur War (October war) - not as a military report- but as a close-by disaster or a horrible nightmare that I myself have suffered from and will continue to haunt me throughout my life.

Reporting Moshe Dayan, Israeli Defense Minister during October War:

The war has shown that we were no stronger than the Egyptians. The halo of supremacy and the political and military premise that Israel is stronger than the Arabs; that they would be defeated should they dare to start war did not hold true. It was theory that it would take them the whole night to erect bridges, which we could prevent, using our armored vehicles. But it turned out that it was not easy to prevent them. Our exercise to send tanks to the battle front was very costly. We have never expected that.
(Press Conference, October 9, 1973)

The October War was an earthquake that hit Israel. What happened in this war has removed dust off our eyes, revealing to us what we could not see before. All this led to a change in the mentality of Israeli leaders.
(Statements by Dayan, December 1973)

Reporting Aba Eban, Israeli Foreign Minister during October War:

Many changes have taken place since October 6,1973. We should, therefore, not overestimate Israel military supremacy. On the contrary, there is now an overwhelming sense in Israel of the need to review national rhetoric. We have to keep away from hyperboles and be more realistic. (November 1973)

Reporting Aharon Yarev, Former Director of Israeli Intelligence:

Undoubtedly, the Arabs came out of the war victorious, while we, in terms of image and feeling, came out torn out and weak. When asked if he won the war, Sadat replied, "Look at what is going on in Israel after the war and you will know the answer to this question".
(Symposium on October War, Jerusalem,September 16, 1974)

Reporting Haim Hertzog, Former Head of the State of Israel:

The October war ended up in a major shock to all Israelis. Moshe Dayan is no longer the same man before. Since then he has been bent on himself. He has always had the conviction that he would not and could not afford to attack. Even amidst Egyptian infiltration, Dayan did not admit his miscalculations.
He turned into a sort of a Hamlet, torn out by suspicion, reluctance, and inability to take decision or impose his will. That was the beginning of fall for labour governments which has ruled Israel for 25 years until then. Similarly the war has caused conceptual changes in the mentality of Israeli leadership, who started looking for a new approach and a realistic policy of dealing with the problem through political solutions.
(From the Memoirs of Haim Hertzog)

Before October 6, we used to talk too much, this was one of our problems. While the Egyptians learned how to fight, we learned how to talk. They were patient and their statements were more realistic than ours. They were telling and announcing facts so fully that the external world seemed to trust their statements.
(Comments by Hertzog, November 1973)

Reporting Nahom Goldman , Former Head of Jewish Agency:

One of the most significant results of October 1973 War was that it put an end to the myth of an invincible Israel and its progressive supremacy over the Arabs.This also cost Israel a high price; about $ 5 billion. It caused a radical change to the economic position of the Jewish Agency, which dropped from a state of boom experienced a year earlier (albeit not firmly grounded as it seemed) to an extremely deep, and ever more intensive and serious crisis. The most serious result was that which affected the psychological side.
Gone was the Israelis' confidence in their sustained supremacy. Their internal morale was tremendously weakened, which is the most serious thing that can face a nation, particularly Israel. This weakness was embodied into two contradictory forms, which led to an extremely serious polarization of Israel. On the one hand, there were some people who began to question the future of Israel. On the other, increasing fanaticism and hard-line trends were visible, leading to what was called "Massada Complex".
The citadel, where the Jews took refuge during the Jewish rebellion movement against the Roman Empire, but never surrendered and all died).
Reporting "Whereto Israel"

Reporting Israeli General Ishio Javitch:

If we assess achievements against targets, we will find out that the Arabs' victory was more decisive. I should admit that the Arabs have achieved a very large part of their objectives. They proved capable of surmounting the fear barrier; got into war and fought efficiently. They also proved capable of forcing their way into the Suez Canal barrier. For Israel, the war ultimately ended without being able to break up Arab armies. We scored no victories. We could not back the Egyptian nor the Syrian army. Nor could we succeed in restoring the deterrent power to the Israeli army. To our great sorrow, they snatched the canal out of our grips with the force of arms.
(Symposium on October War, Jerusalem, September 16, 1974)

Reporting Amnon Kapelock, Israeli Military Commentator:

The English proverb says, "The higher the rise the more severe is the fall". On October 6, Israel fell off the top of the tower of peace and tranquility it had built up for itself.
The shock was as strong and impressive as prior illusions. It seemed as though the Israelis had waked up from a lengthy, sweet dream to see a long lists of self-evident truth, and indisputable principles, illusions and facts they had believed in for several years, shaken and sometimes shattered down by a new, unexpected fact, ununderstandable to most Israelis.
From the perspective of a plain Israeli, the October War can have more than one name such as; war of recovery from a hangover , collapse of legends , end of illusions , a death of sacred heifers .
Following prior wars, prestigious military parades were often conducted in the Independence Day, where the public viewed war booty captured from the enemy. On the contrary, this time a large exhibition was made in Cairo, two months after the war, where the public viewed tanks, guns, military vehicles and many Israeli weapons captured from the enemy during the war.
On prior occasions, soldiers returned home in a flurry of happiness and pride. However, this time, returning soldiers were gripped with sadness and consternation. Many had to frequent the psychiatric section of the Army's Medical Department, for treatment from "combat shock".

"Israel: End of a Myth"

Reporting Zaev Schev, Israeli Military Commentator:

This is the first war for the Israeli army, where many soldiers suffering combat shock and needing psychiatric treatment were treated. Some of them forgot their own names and had to refer to hospitals.
Israel was stunned by the Arabs' success in waging a surprise war on Yum Kippur and scoring military successes. This war has proved that Israel has to reassess the Arab warrior. This time, Israel has paid a very high price.
The October War has shaken Israel from top to bottom. Instead of overconfidence, suspicions emerged and questions surfaced to the top; should we live for ever on our own devastation? Could we possible stand any other wars?! "The October Earthquake: Yum Kippur War"

Reporting Israeli Professor Shimon Shamir:

I can list for the Arabs five important achievements:

First: They managed to affect a change in the US political strategy that was unfavour to Israel.

Second: They succeeded in making the military option happen, thus imposing such efforts on Israel that overburdened its resources and economy.

Third: They managed to achieve a high level of Arab cooperation in both the military and economic fields, particularly as they restored to the oil weapon in October.

Fourth: Egypt could regain the power of free maneuvering among major powers, which it lost ten years ago.

Fifth: The Arabs could change their own image; freeing themselves from the 1967 shock, and becoming more capable of hard work.
(Symposium on October War, Jerusalem, September 16,1974)

Reporting Yussi Belin, Member of the Knesset and Labour Party Leader:

The tension that prevailed in the Labor Party in 1973 had crippled the Party, making it unable to take a decision to enter into peace negotiations with the Arabs. This led to the failure of Junnar Jaring's mission of mediation between Egypt and Israel. The result was the outbreak of the Yum Kippur War (October) the end of tenure by the Lbour Party and consequently a Right-Left equivalence of power, which has until now characterized Israel's political system. Unless an independent leader will have emerged in Israel up to May 4, 1999 ( the date set for declaring a Palestinian State), it would be difficult to prevent the coming disaster from taking place ( following the October 1973 and Intifada 1987 disasters).

Testimonies by International Experts

Reporting American military historian Trevor Dubuoy, Chairman, Hero Foundation for Scientific Assessment of Historical Battles:

As a result of honorable fighting waged by both Egyptian and Syrian armies, the Arabs restored their own pride and self-confidence, which led to the reinforcement of Arab influence on the international arena in general. Strategically and politically speaking, there is no doubt that Egypt has won the war.
With the professional planning and performance whereby the crossing process was accomplished, no other army in the world could have done better. This precise work on the part of the general staff, particularly the element of surprise already achieved, resulted in remarkable success in crossing the Suez Canal on a wide front.
The Israel Intelligence categorically failed, as military intelligence activity concentrated on antagonist capabilities, being out of reckoning. Miscalculation of Arab capabilities gave rise to misconceptions of Arab intentions.
On the other hand, greater credit should be given to Arab security and confidentiality, whereby facts were adequately screened to re-affirm prior Israeli misconceptions.
While the Egyptians waged maritime war essentially through a strategic approach, the Israeli waged it through a tactical one. The Egyptian had imposed a successful siege on shipping traffic to Ilat sea-port by closing down Bab al-Mandab Strait. Their Mediterranean siege seemed to prevent neutral and Israeli ships from approaching the Israeli coast. On the southern front, Israeli attempts to destroy Egyptian air bases in the Nile Delta categorically failed thanks to the effective Egyptian air defense.
The Israeli also decided to attempt seizure of the city of Suez. Although their tanks infiltrated into the heart of the city, yet resistance was so severe that they had pull back after being inflicted with heavy losses.

(International Symposium on October War, Cairo, October 27-31, 1975)

Reporting British military historian Edger O'Balance:

For Israel, the October War has caused an "all-out" change in strategy. It was forcefully ejected from an offensive to a defensive position. Since its inception, Israel has adopted an offensive military position. The Israeli general staff have never cared to contemplate a defensive position.
The Israeli soldier has realized that defense is now vital for his own survival. Conventional defense, which Israel had, for long before the war, vaingloriously looked upon, became acceptable as a military necessity for the protection of Israeli borders.
After the marvelous military operations achieved by the old Islamic conquests and the Crusades, the prestige of the Arab soldier has continually diminished in western eyes, due to varying reasons beyond his control. In this context, Israel has intensified its publicity, until it was surprised in the October 1973 War with Arab soldiers shattering their fetters, defeating Israelis, capturing hundreds of them, downing hundreds of their craft, destroying hundreds of their tanks. In a nutshell, Arab soldiers shattered the myth of invincible Israeli supremacy. What holds true for the Arabs in Napoleon's saying, "The ratio of marble to military equipment is three to one"
(Ibid)

Reporting General Varar Huckly, Combat Development Director, British Army:

The lessons learned from October War relate to personnel and their capabilities more than the machinery they operate. The impressive achievement made by the Egyptians is the genius and skills of leaders and officers who were trained and waged such an offensive that came as a total surprise to the other party, albeit effected within its sight. As a complement, the soldiers demonstrated such high morale and audacity that would have been, in the past, impossible.
(Ibid)

Reporting French General Albert Merglain:

All military experts and political officials were confident that Arabs would never succeed in taking the Israeli army by surprise. Contrary to what happened in October War, justifying evidence were many and varied. First, there was extreme confidence in Israeli intelligence services, which were said to be some of the best in the world, particularly as it was known to all that the American special agencies were closely related to them.
US reconnaissance planes and satellites could shoot all the depth of Arab rear area. Such favourable conditions for monitoring antagonist fronts combined could hardly exist. Therefore, the element of surprise was excluded, particularly, as the man-made barrier of the Suez Canal protects the Israeli front line and allows easy and effective resistance. The Arab surprise came at 2 p.m. on October 6, 1973. Contrary to negative assertions by all politicians, military experts, pressmen and specialists everywhere, the unexpected took place.
(Ibid)

Reporting French writer Jean-Claud Jipoux:

Did Egyptian president Anwar el-Sadat conceive, as he sent out his tanks and soldiers to cross the Suez Canal on October 6, that he was releasing an overwhelming, horrible power that could change such world?! Nothing, from Europe to America, from Africa to Asia remained the same since the Yum kippur War. Something even deeper has turned upside down in the relationship that existed between the industrialized world and its old colonies. Painful Days in Israel


Reporting British Journalist David Hurst:

The October War was an earthquake. For the first time in the history of Zionism, the Arabs tried and succeeded in imposing by the force of arm a fait accompli.
The set-back was not merely military, but it also affected all psychological, diplomatic and economic elements making up the power and vitality of a nation. The Israelis paid a high price for merely maintaining a state of equivalence with their attackers. Within three weeks, they lost, according to official figures, 2,523 personnel; a loss, which, in proportionate terms is two and half times US loss in the Vietnam war over ten years. Following prior Israeli- Arab wars, a deluge of high-quality paper, pictorial books were published to commemorate victory. But this time, the first book published in Israel was entitled Al Mihdal (Negligence). In 1967, Israeli generals lectured their admiring audience on their various expeditions. However, as soon as the October War started they started exchanging accusations and the severest insults both on local and world media. Bereaved mothers and widows later accosted Moshe Dayan, the fallen deity with shouts branding him cut-throat. Prior wars were followed by impressive military parades marking the Independence Day, but this time, nothing of this sort was made. Conversely, the Israelis soon came to know that a large exhibition of booties was opened in Cairo. For the first time, the Israelis saw on Arab televisions the shameful sight of their prisons of war with their drooping heads.
The Gun and Olive Branch

World Media and Press Reports

As the Egyptian army crossed the Suez Canal, cutting through the Bar lev-line, the October war changed the course of history both for Egypt and the entire Middle East.
(Daily Telegraph October 7, 1973)

The image of the Arab fighter in the aftermath of 1967 War as presented by world press was totally negative, giving the impression that a successful military confrontation on the part of the Arab fighter was impossible due to Israel's military strength.
Accordingly, one can understand the extent of change occurring after the Arab fighter has proved his presence and capabilities and how the world press has conveyed such change to world public opinion.
(The Times, October 7, 1973)

The Egyptians and Syrians are demonstrating high efficiency, organization and courage. The Arabs have scored a psychological victory that will have its psychological impact. The retention by the Egyptian of the east bank of the canal is a tremendous, unprecedented victory, whereby Israeli illusions that the Arabs were unfit for war have been shattered.
( Washington Post, October 10, 1973 )

Last week was one of chastisement and torture for Israel. Obviously, Arab armies are fighting with strength, courage and determination.
The Israelis were grouped with sadness and depression as they found out that the war cost them heavily and that the Egyptians and Syrians were not, as they had been told, unable to fight.
(Financial Times, October 11, 1973)

Obviously, the Arabs are fighting with unparalleled valour. Definitely, their fierce fighting had a considerable role in their victories. At the same time, the Israelis were generally afflicted by a feeling of depression upon their agonizing discovery -which cost them a lot- that the Egyptians and Syrians were not, in reality, helpless soldiers. There were indications that the Israelis were retreating all through in front of the progressing Egyptian and Syrian faces.
( The Times, October 11, 1973)

It was quite clear that the Israelis had lost initiative in this war. This was admitted by their leaders, including General Shlomo Jonin, commander of southern front in Sinai, who said, this is the most difficult war fought by Israel since its inception in 1948"
(Sun, October 12, 1973)

The secure borders theory adopted for expansionist purposes by Israel since its inception up till now has been totally shattered. Israel military mentality must change in the light of October War. This time a psychological myth has been shattered. Israel should, from now on, give up the notion that its security can be realized by merely occupying land.
( Daily Telegraph, October 12, 1973)

This war has eliminated the feeling of humiliation for the Arab and injured Israel's pride
(Daily Mail, October 12, 1973)

The Egyptian and Syrian troops caught the Israeli leadership stark naked. It was only after three days that the Israeli leadership could mobilize adequate reserve troop to address the situation. The Israeli public opinion was sleeping on the conviction that its intelligence services were the most efficient, its army the strongest. Now the public opinion in Israel wants to know what happened and why. The question circulated by everybody in Tel-Aviv now is why the Israeli leadership had not been aware before hand of Egypt and Syria's plans?
(United Press Agency correspondent from Tel-Aviv, October 12, 1973)

The October War has shattered the security borders theory as understood by Tel-Aviv rulers. The war has proved that Israel's security cannot be guaranteed by tanks and missiles but rather by a peaceful, equitable settlement agreed by the Arab states.
(L'Humanite, October 17, 1973)

The Arabs are waging an equitable struggle. The Arabs are fighting in defense of their rights. If one fights in defense of his land against an aggressor, he is waging a war of liberation. But to fight in order to continue to occupy others' land is blatant aggression.
(Zeitung of German Democratic Republic, October 19, 1973)

Egypt has caught up with and even outstripped Israel in the field of missiles and electronics.
(The Observer, October 20, 1973)

The Israelis have faced a foe that was far ahead of it in everything, prepared for an extended war of attrition. Israel has at the same time faced a foe with better training and more skilled leadership.
(Associated Press, October 20, 1973)

Today, a feeling of sadness and depression prevails in Israel. The number of prisoners of war returning from Egypt was more than expected. This means that many lost their lives.
(Jewish Chronicle, Britain, November 23, 1973)

Israeli soldiers fled breathless from the Bar-lev line, with soiled bodies and pale faces. Flocks of them fled the hell opened against them by the sweeping Egyptian onslaught.
(Anna Bella (Italy) October 30,1973 )

Before the October War, the country was pervaded by wrong feelings; the feeling of our hawks of overwhelming military supremacy. Such conviction has led them into a military reassurance purporting that: "We'll cut them into pieces, should they dare to snap a finger at us.
(Al Hamishmar, Israeli Newspaper, October 29, 1973)

Al Ferdan east of the Suez Canal was the first site captured by the Egyptian troops. Then, the Egyptian scored their greatest victories, restoring their land since the first day. Their faces showed signs of pride and victory along the Bar-Lev line, which fell apart in front of them. Thus irreversibly gone was the Israeli Bar-Lev line.
(The Times, October 31, 1973)

The October War has brought about a concept, apparently unknown to us before; the war-stressed, i.e. those who suffer psychological shock, now dispersed at hospitals and convalescence houses, being treated from the impact of ferocious war. For the first time in their lifetime, Israeli soldier has known the experience of siege and isolation during the fight, the disgrace of capture and fear of ammunition running out.
(Haarts, November 2, 1973)

General Yshac Rabin announced that his country had military plans to face all probabilities, including the occupation of the North Pole. But it seems that the sweeping Egyptian onslaught at mid-day October 6, 1973, had not been among Israeli probabilities. They, therefore, paid heavily for it.
(Der Spiegel, (German Magazine), November 5, 1973)

Up to the date of cease-fire on the Sinai front we had not caused injury to the Egyptian army. Definitely, even failing the cease-fire, we would not be able to stop or destroy the Egyptian army. Thus, it can be said that during our fourth war with the Arab, we have realized nothing.
(Haarts, November 18, 1973)

The Egyptian navy during the October War outstripped the Israeli navy, particularly in the field of missiles.
(Defense Nationale (French Magazine), November 8, 1973)

The negligence committed in the Yum Kippur War led to the rise of a protest movement led by an Ishiknazi citizen, calling for investigating causes of the defeat of Israeli army in the war. These investigations led to the fall of officials responsible for such negligence. Following the assassination of former premier Yshaac Rabin, a new movement called Peace Generation emerged. This new movement led by Tal Zilberstein calls for the continuation of the peace process with Palestinians.
Both movements are in agreement on the prediction that a revolution, which will erupt from the heart of Israel street, is in the way.
(Maaref, Israeli Newspaper, September 20, 1998)

The alarm risen sounded at 1.50 p.m. October 6, 1973, in its own connotation, was more than a mere alarm cautioning Israeli citizens to come down to underground shelters. It was rather the outcry reiterated upon burial of the dead. At that time the deceased was the first Israeli republic. When the war was over, the count was restarted and a new history began. After a quarter century from the rise of the State of Israel the pillars and underpinnings of old Israel were turned into a wreckage stranded on road side.

http://www.sis.gov.eg/newvr/october/english/4.htm



The things Israelis won't tell you, simply cause their government did not want them to know especially after the "Unstoppable army" myth:

1- Israel was running low on oil, cause Elat's harbor was the only harbor in Israel than can receive oil tankers, and it was blocked with the start of the war.

2- Israeli forces were in a desperate situation, they concentrated themselves in a pocket with Egyptian forces all around them, they threatened in the news all over the world to annihilate 3rd army (20,000 out of 80,000 fighting soldiers, 320,000 available fighting forces & 800,000 total army), while in reality their forces were the ones going to be annihilated, that's why Israel accepted cease fire in the first place, they could not afford our counter attack.

3- They claim they could have marched to Cairo, but that is wrong, the 101 km sign is only 10 to 15 km from the Suez canal, they could not have marched to Cairo, cause they would have to face the reserve armored forces, besides their supply lines were stretched for a long distance.

4- Most Fighters lost to Israeli air force were reported by its pilots that they were hit by a SAM (Surface Air Missle), in reality many of those were brought down in dog fighting with Egyptian Air force, they were just too embarrassed to admit it, cause they were proud of being Kings of the sky. --> check the Egyptian Air Force link in the sources.

5- Most of them know nothing about Elmansora air battle, the one which they lost 17 plane in.

6- The US provided Israel with information about the gap, they did not know about it, till an american plane spotted it.

7- Yes, Israel transported food & water to the encircled 3rd army (How could they surround it when its main forces were on the east side of the canal?), that came through the UN from Egyptian supplies, they (Usraelis) were also running low on supplies and they played the man in between.. to get some for themselves too!!!

Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_S...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Battle_...
Kissinger's conversation with Mier --> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB98/octwar-54.pdf

Elsadat peace plan --> http://newsocietyjournal.com/2008/07/09/did-golda-meir-cause-the-“yom-kippur-war”/

Egyptian Air Force --> http://www.testpilot.ru/review/war/egipet.htm
 
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