Egypt Arrests 29 People Suspected of Spying for Turkey

[New World]

Saudi accuse Qatar for having secret relation with Israel.
but on other hand Israel says that she had secret relation with Saudis.
and then Turkey sign agreement with Israel for Gas.

a sentence came to mind after seeing ME affairss and that sentence is mostly used for Pakistani Politicians.
"Sally sab ke sab choor he".

 

[Arabi]

He will deny it of course even though those are official platforms. Yet he claims that he does not care about Erdogan despite parroting all of Erdogan's views. Yet he is the one that labels me (a person that he has no clue about) as an educated but ignorant person and the other nonsense about not knowing Islam and being young while being backward.

I remember very clearly how he was very pro-GCC and anti-Iran (before the Qatar crisis and much of the mess that have occurred) and now he uses every opportunity to paint all Arabs as "backward", "dumb" etc. (you know the rhetoric) and Iran as some shinning example of what God's know exactly but whatever.

A supposed person born and breed in the West who prides himself on how "superior" Turks are to other Muslims and how "enlightened" they are while everyone else (other Muslims) are "backward wild beats". That's apparently progressiveness for him.

Yes, my very "controversial" views, frank talk and well-known opinions are really "backward". Maybe in an alternative world.



Regardless of this, as I see it, Erdogan (or current and past Turkish decision makers in the second half of AKP's rule) have dealt with issues in a wrong and harmful way not only for themselves but their potential partners. Anyway time will only tell if this will improve or worsen.

Well, I think we shouldn't take Ikhwanji seriously knowing that they never think by themselves but they first wait to see whatever Erdogan says to follow him mindlessly.
Even NYT described them as "Sheep"

https://twitter.com/x/status/755224418683592704

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Saudi accuse Qatar for having secret relation with Israel.
but on other hand Israel says that she had secret relation with Saudis.
and then Turkey sign agreement with Israel for Gas.

a sentence came to mind after seeing ME affairss and that sentence is mostly used for Pakistani Politicians.
"Sally sab ke sab choor he".

Yes, KSA a country that has actually fought Israel in a war twice (unlike Qatar and Turkey let alone Iran), a country that hosts 10.000 more Palestinians (literary) than those 3 countries combined, a country that has given more aid to Palestine than any other regional country (by far) in the past 70 years and a country that openly speaks against Israel at the highest circles (UN) is somehow a hidden Israeli ally while Turkey recognizes Israel (and has done so for decades) openly and has economic, military etc. ties with it while Qatar is the closest Arab nation to it arguably, at least in the past 20 years.

Yesterday;

Saudi Arabia reaffirms solidarity with Palestinians
RODOLFO C. ESTIMO JR. | Published — Friday 1 December 2017

Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN, delivers her address.

RIYADH: Saudi Arabia reaffirmed its “firm support and full solidarity” with the Palestinian people at the UN on Thursday, the Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.
The address at the UN was delivered by Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN.
She called for “the establishment of an independent and sovereign state (on) all of the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967.”
Radwan said: “We strongly condemn all... Israeli campaigns on occupied Palestinian territory, and hold Israel alone as the occupying power responsible for its shameful acts of killing innocent Palestinians.”
She highlighted the “destruction of Palestinian land, the destruction of thousands of houses, buildings and infrastructure, all the human and material damage inflicted on the Palestinian people for more than 70 years.”
She said the half-century of occupation and decade of the Gaza blockade will not be forgotten for generations.
“Israel’s aggressive behavior continues to undermine all calls and demands of the international community to stop serious violations, and its commitment to international resolutions and respect for the law,” Radwan added.
“Saudi Arabia calls for the Palestinian cause and its legal, political and humanitarian rights... to be at the forefront of the international community’s concerns, with a view to the immediate implementation of all UN resolutions in this regard.”
She called for immediate international protection for the Palestinians in the occupied territories.
“Saudi Arabia affirms the Islamic, Arab and Palestinian identity of occupied Jerusalem, and East Jerusalem is an integral part of the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967,” Radwan said.
“Its annexation by Israel... is illegal , unrecognized and condemned by the international community.
“We condemn in the strongest terms the ongoing violations against Al-Aqsa Mosque and worshippers by Israeli occupation forces and settlers.
“We call for an end to these repeated violations and (for) Israel... to respect the rights of freedom of worship and preserve the inviolability of worshippers and holy sites.”
Radwan said: “The Palestinian people have suffered a long period of unjust occupation and... racist policies of oppression, and we commend them for their steadfastness and struggle to defend their land and their sons and sanctities.”
The continuation of Israel’s “illegal settlement practices, the seizure of Palestinian land and expulsion of its indigenous population... is strong proof of its policy of ethnic cleansing,” she added.
“This undermines the two-state solution, and affirms that it (Israel) is not concerned with peaceful solutions, but rather that it seeks to... continue the occupation and deprive the Palestinian people of their rights,” she said.
Meanwhile, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir denied the existence of any ties between the Kingdom and Israel when he attended a meeting at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo.
The Arab Peace Initiative (API) remains the path to normalizing relations between Israel and the 22 Arab states, Al-Jubeir added.
Radwan also said: “My country holds Israel... fully responsible for the consequences of the heinous crimes of extremist settlers against the Palestinian people, and calls for the inclusion of settler leaders and extremist settlement groups on the terrorism list.”
She said the API — presented by Saudi Arabia, and adopted by the Arab League and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) — represented a historic milestone in the quest for a just and comprehensive peace for the Palestinians and all the peoples of the region.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1201896/saudi-arabia

Radwan in action before;

A brave and a very articulate women.

I don't know where this idea comes from other than the propaganda that Qatari (sadly) and the usual Iranian propaganda outlets are printing 24/7.

Meanwhile Qatar:

As for Turkey; (No need for any evidence here, a simple Google search or search on Youtube will be enough)

It's quite unbelievable (having all those facts in mind) that KSA is deemed an "Israeli agent" by mostly the ignorant Islamist lot. Only on PDF.

Oh, did I mention the most compressive peace plan proposal to date? Well, that was also "made in KSA".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

What did I tell about Muslims and ignorance in that other thread? Another confirmation.

Only on PDF. Well PDF is what it is and has the reputation that it has for a reason as well.

 

[The SC]

Saudi accuse Qatar for having secret relation with Israel.
but on other hand Israel says that she had secret relation with Saudis.
and then Turkey sign agreement with Israel for Gas.

a sentence came to mind after seeing ME affairss and that sentence is mostly used for Pakistani Politicians.
"Sally sab ke sab choor he".

Usraeli claims about secret relations with KSA are empty though.. all they have are relations/talks in the UN with several Arab countries, including KSA.. and only in the context of solving the Palestinian issue..
Turkey's deal with Usrael on Gas export can not see the light, because it has go through Egypt,and for now the Egyptian-Turkish relations are not that rosy.. The other alternatives were deemed not feasible by major Engineering firms or too expensive to be economically worth it ..

Yes, KSA a country that has actually fought Israel in a war twice (unlike Qatar and Turkey let alone Iran), a country that hosts 10.000 more Palestinians (literary) than those 3 countries combined, a country that has given more aid to Palestine than any other regional country (by far) in the past 70 years and a country that openly speaks against Israel at the highest circles (UN) is somehow a hidden Israeli ally while Turkey recognizes Israel (and has done so for decades) openly and has economic, military etc. ties with it while Qatar is the closest Arab nation to it arguably, at least in the past 20 years.

Yesterday;

Saudi Arabia reaffirms solidarity with Palestinians
RODOLFO C. ESTIMO JR. | Published — Friday 1 December 2017

Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN, delivers her address.

RIYADH: Saudi Arabia reaffirmed its “firm support and full solidarity” with the Palestinian people at the UN on Thursday, the Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.
The address at the UN was delivered by Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN.
She called for “the establishment of an independent and sovereign state (on) all of the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967.”
Radwan said: “We strongly condemn all... Israeli campaigns on occupied Palestinian territory, and hold Israel alone as the occupying power responsible for its shameful acts of killing innocent Palestinians.”
She highlighted the “destruction of Palestinian land, the destruction of thousands of houses, buildings and infrastructure, all the human and material damage inflicted on the Palestinian people for more than 70 years.”
She said the half-century of occupation and decade of the Gaza blockade will not be forgotten for generations.
“Israel’s aggressive behavior continues to undermine all calls and demands of the international community to stop serious violations, and its commitment to international resolutions and respect for the law,” Radwan added.
“Saudi Arabia calls for the Palestinian cause and its legal, political and humanitarian rights... to be at the forefront of the international community’s concerns, with a view to the immediate implementation of all UN resolutions in this regard.”
She called for immediate international protection for the Palestinians in the occupied territories.
“Saudi Arabia affirms the Islamic, Arab and Palestinian identity of occupied Jerusalem, and East Jerusalem is an integral part of the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967,” Radwan said.
“Its annexation by Israel... is illegal , unrecognized and condemned by the international community.
“We condemn in the strongest terms the ongoing violations against Al-Aqsa Mosque and worshippers by Israeli occupation forces and settlers.
“We call for an end to these repeated violations and (for) Israel... to respect the rights of freedom of worship and preserve the inviolability of worshippers and holy sites.”
Radwan said: “The Palestinian people have suffered a long period of unjust occupation and... racist policies of oppression, and we commend them for their steadfastness and struggle to defend their land and their sons and sanctities.”
The continuation of Israel’s “illegal settlement practices, the seizure of Palestinian land and expulsion of its indigenous population... is strong proof of its policy of ethnic cleansing,” she added.
“This undermines the two-state solution, and affirms that it (Israel) is not concerned with peaceful solutions, but rather that it seeks to... continue the occupation and deprive the Palestinian people of their rights,” she said.
Meanwhile, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir denied the existence of any ties between the Kingdom and Israel when he attended a meeting at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo.
The Arab Peace Initiative (API) remains the path to normalizing relations between Israel and the 22 Arab states, Al-Jubeir added.
Radwan also said: “My country holds Israel... fully responsible for the consequences of the heinous crimes of extremist settlers against the Palestinian people, and calls for the inclusion of settler leaders and extremist settlement groups on the terrorism list.”
She said the API — presented by Saudi Arabia, and adopted by the Arab League and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) — represented a historic milestone in the quest for a just and comprehensive peace for the Palestinians and all the peoples of the region.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1201896/saudi-arabia

Radwan in action before;

A brave and a very articulate women.

I don't know where this idea comes from other than the propaganda that Qatari (sadly) and the usual Iranian propaganda outlets are printing 24/7.

Meanwhile Qatar:

As for Turkey; (No need for any evidence here, a simple Google search or search on Youtube will be enough)

It's quite unbelievable that KSA (a country that has actually fought Israel in a war unlike both Qatar and Turkey let alone Iran) is deemed pro-Israel, a country that has donated the most to Palestine, that host 10000 more Palestinians than both Turkey and Qatar combined and a country that has proposed (openly) the most comprehensive peace solution is deemed an "Israeli agent". Only on PDF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

What did I tell you about Muslims and ignorance in that other thread? Another confirmation.

Only on PDF. Well PDF is what it is and has the reputation that it has for a reason as well.

It is not PDF to be blamed for that, although some posts are appalling.. but it is about the split in the world media..reporting contradictory news depending on their allegiances.. I agree with you though that it spreads ignorance as there are so many people ready to gobble it as the truth..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Usraeli claims about secret relations with KSA are empty though. all they have are relations.talks in the UN with several Arab countries, including KSA.. and only in the context of solving the Palestinian issue..
Turkey's deal with Usrael on Gas export can not see the light, because it has go through Egypt,and for now the Egyptian-Turkish relations are not that rosy.. The other alternatives were deemed not feasible by major Engineering firms or too expensive to be economically worth it ..


It is not PDF to be blamed for that, although some posts are appalling.. but it is about the split in the world media..reporting contradictory news depending on their allegiances.. I agree with you though that it spreads ignorance as there are so many people ready to gobble it as the truth..

Exactly.

Well, I disagree. Those people have all the opportunity in the world to do their own research. Stupidity has no excuse. If they are able to bullshit, they are surely able to do the necessary research. It's not like they need a Ph.D. in chemical engineering to do such a thing.

Well, PDF is a perfect example of such behavior. In fact I would claim that the forum survives on such news to create traffic in the virtual world. Very convenient at the same time.

This is good. Turkey should have a neutral stance on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

That's not the point that @Arabi is trying to make and I am sure that you are "clever" enough to understand what he is trying to get across. It's not that hard really. If you try hard enough you will see it.

 

[The SC]

Exactly.

Well, I disagree. Those people have all the opportunity in the world to do their own research. Stupidity has no excuse. If they are able to bullshit, they are surely able to to the necessary research. It's not like they need a Ph.D. in chemical engineering to do such a thing.

Well, PDF is a perfect example of such behavior. In fact I would claim that the forum survives on such news to create traffic in the virtual world. Very convenient at the same time.

Don't get me wrong please, most are lazy..and worst yet, some are trolling to get information instead of looking for it themselves.. I will just say that you are asking too much from trolls, young people with still little knowledge and PhDs in ignorance, either by design or genuinely ignorants of matters they want to talk about anyway..

 

[New World]

Yes, KSA a country that has actually fought Israel in a war twice (unlike Qatar and Turkey let alone Iran), a country that hosts 10.000 more Palestinians (literary) than those 3 countries combined, a country that has given more aid to Palestine than any other regional country (by far) in the past 70 years and a country that openly speaks against Israel at the highest circles (UN) is somehow a hidden Israeli ally while Turkey recognizes Israel (and has done so for decades) openly and has economic, military etc. ties with it while Qatar is the closest Arab nation to it arguably, at least in the past 20 years.

Yesterday;

Saudi Arabia reaffirms solidarity with Palestinians
RODOLFO C. ESTIMO JR. | Published — Friday 1 December 2017

Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN, delivers her address.

RIYADH: Saudi Arabia reaffirmed its “firm support and full solidarity” with the Palestinian people at the UN on Thursday, the Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.
The address at the UN was delivered by Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN.
She called for “the establishment of an independent and sovereign state (on) all of the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967.”
Radwan said: “We strongly condemn all... Israeli campaigns on occupied Palestinian territory, and hold Israel alone as the occupying power responsible for its shameful acts of killing innocent Palestinians.”
She highlighted the “destruction of Palestinian land, the destruction of thousands of houses, buildings and infrastructure, all the human and material damage inflicted on the Palestinian people for more than 70 years.”
She said the half-century of occupation and decade of the Gaza blockade will not be forgotten for generations.
“Israel’s aggressive behavior continues to undermine all calls and demands of the international community to stop serious violations, and its commitment to international resolutions and respect for the law,” Radwan added.
“Saudi Arabia calls for the Palestinian cause and its legal, political and humanitarian rights... to be at the forefront of the international community’s concerns, with a view to the immediate implementation of all UN resolutions in this regard.”
She called for immediate international protection for the Palestinians in the occupied territories.
“Saudi Arabia affirms the Islamic, Arab and Palestinian identity of occupied Jerusalem, and East Jerusalem is an integral part of the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967,” Radwan said.
“Its annexation by Israel... is illegal , unrecognized and condemned by the international community.
“We condemn in the strongest terms the ongoing violations against Al-Aqsa Mosque and worshippers by Israeli occupation forces and settlers.
“We call for an end to these repeated violations and (for) Israel... to respect the rights of freedom of worship and preserve the inviolability of worshippers and holy sites.”
Radwan said: “The Palestinian people have suffered a long period of unjust occupation and... racist policies of oppression, and we commend them for their steadfastness and struggle to defend their land and their sons and sanctities.”
The continuation of Israel’s “illegal settlement practices, the seizure of Palestinian land and expulsion of its indigenous population... is strong proof of its policy of ethnic cleansing,” she added.
“This undermines the two-state solution, and affirms that it (Israel) is not concerned with peaceful solutions, but rather that it seeks to... continue the occupation and deprive the Palestinian people of their rights,” she said.
Meanwhile, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir denied the existence of any ties between the Kingdom and Israel when he attended a meeting at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo.
The Arab Peace Initiative (API) remains the path to normalizing relations between Israel and the 22 Arab states, Al-Jubeir added.
Radwan also said: “My country holds Israel... fully responsible for the consequences of the heinous crimes of extremist settlers against the Palestinian people, and calls for the inclusion of settler leaders and extremist settlement groups on the terrorism list.”
She said the API — presented by Saudi Arabia, and adopted by the Arab League and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) — represented a historic milestone in the quest for a just and comprehensive peace for the Palestinians and all the peoples of the region.

Usraeli claims about secret relations with KSA are empty though. all they have are relations.talks in the UN with several Arab countries, including KSA.. and only in the context of solving the Palestinian issue..
Turkey's deal with Usrael on Gas export can not see the light, because it has go through Egypt,and for now the Egyptian-Turkish relations are not that rosy.. The other alternatives were deemed not feasible by major Engineering firms or too expensive to be economically worth it ..


It is not PDF to be blamed for that, although some posts are appalling.. but it is about the split in the world media..reporting contradictory news depending on their allegiances.. I agree with you though that it spreads ignorance as there are so many people ready to gobble it as the truth..

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1201896/saudi-arabia

Radwan in action before;

A brave and a very articulate women.

I don't know where this idea comes from other than the propaganda that Qatari (sadly) and the usual Iranian propaganda outlets are printing 24/7.

Meanwhile Qatar:

As for Turkey; (No need for any evidence here, a simple Google search or search on Youtube will be enough)

It's quite unbelievable (having all those facts in mind) that KSA is deemed an "Israeli agent" by mostly the ignorant Islamist lot. Only on PDF.

Oh, did I mention the most compressive peace plan proposal to date? Well, that was also "made in KSA".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

What did I tell about Muslims and ignorance in that other thread? Another confirmation.

Only on PDF. Well PDF is what it is and has the reputation that it has for a reason as well.

I did not write post to start dikkk measuring contest that we did this and they did this..

we know who has relationship who. From unmarked cargo planes flying on persian gulf in 1980s to fighter jets flying in Yemen in 2016-17.

a coin with 2 sides.

 

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@Saif al-Arab

What's your prediction ? What is the purpose of Turkish intelligence agency with spying the naval base of Egypt ?

Why would he even have to lol, we have a high resolution spy sat flying over head every 60minutes

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I did not write post to start dikkk measuring contest that we did this and they did this..

we know who has relationship who. From unmarked cargo planes flying on persian gulf in 1980s to fighter jets flying in Yemen in 2016-17.

a coin with 2 sides.

Don't get me wrong please, most are lazy..and worst yet, some are trolling to get information instead of looking for it themselves.. I will just say that you are asking too much from trolls, young people with still little knowledge and PhDs in ignorance, either by design or genuinely ignorants of matters they want to talk about anyway..

Well, I am young. Probably younger than many of those supposed "young" trolls. Brother, you will be surprised how much stupidity there is out there, I am afraid.

 

[Deliorman]

Why would he even have to lol, we have a high resolution spy sat flying over head every 60minutes

That’s exactly what I thought... Why should Turkey send a guy in a boat masked as a tourist to spy on Egypt’s naval base when it can just use a satellite in space for all that. Maybe it was just a tourist who was impressed by the Mistrals and he decided to take a photo or two to show to his friends.

 

[The SC]

Well, I am young. Probably younger than many of those supposed "young" trolls. Brother, you will be surprised how much stupidity there is out there, I am afraid.

The very young and the trolls are different entities in my post..besides, not many are well educated either.. although we see a big well educated community on PDF that we enjoy reading their posts.. ignorance is still wide spread.. it just mirrors the world and times we live in.. can you imagine that till now only 5% of world population has a University education.. so no wonder there about the remaining 95%.. and then even higher education is no grantee against stupidity..

That’s exactly what I thought... Why should Turkey send a guy in a boat masked as a tourist to spy on Egypt’s naval base when it can just use a satellite in space for all that. Maybe it was just a tourist who was impressed by the Mistrals and he decided to take a photo or two to show to his friends.

Basic intelligence still relies on Human agents, just try to find out some info about "HUMINT"..

 

[xenon54 out]

Never seen such a hypocrisy, the same meeting with the Israelis with different messages to their Arab audience and English-speaking audience... this is from the Turkish Anadolu agency explains the hypocritical role of AKP's...

Good, at least one mistake being reverted.

 

[Oublious]

Wow we are spying Egypt Navy, maybe he is taking picture of the ships. That doesn't mean spying, ther will always people taking picture of a ship.

 

[Kamil_baku]

I am not calling for Egypt and others to retaliate even if this news is genuine. The ordinary Turks is innocent of Erdogan's policies in the past 17 years, and yes I do understand that they have elected him, but we all know that the story is deeper than this and that events have occurred where people had no say even if they wanted.

Anyway as I explained in post 6, the foreign policy really baffles me and I find it annoying that in a constantly unstable region, two parties like the GCC (united front) and Turkey, could not become the glue that this region desperately need. There was amble potential of this but I guess that Erdogan wanted it differently. Yet, despite this, you see many GCC countries keep investing in Turkey and giving Turkish firms (occasionally) preferential treatment even within KSA and UAE.

In the expansion (that a few Turks on PDF have criticized for no reason and without much knowledge) projects in Makkah and Madinah a Turkish firm (jointly with two local ones) is doing the work. In fact I have spoken with the few Turkish engineers working in Al-Masjid al-Haram and wished them good luck with the work. So much for that.

I am too young to remember but I don't think that "we" had such problems when Kemalists where in power. I know that Turkey and Hafiz al-Assad had trouble with each other and occasionally Iraq (Saddam Hussein) and Turkey but otherwise I do not recall something alike. As you are older than me, you might educate me here.

They had problem because they openly funded PKK...

Do you really believe that a guy take a picture of naval base? Dude, Turkey has the best imagining satelite which can take a picture from 0.5 m above, basically it can may be read the message in your phone. Why do they need to send a guy, specially a Turkish guy to do it? sooo stupid...

One of my friend who went to Bycicle tour to Africa. They was in Whole Europe and USA. But, he was arrested as a spy in Egypt only after long time he was freed, with broken hand and got disease in the prison. he had pictures only from roadsides and from whole Africa. i can give you his name and pictures too. Thats why after that, i dont believe any shitty news from Egypt..

 

[xenon54 out]

Wow we are spying Egypt Navy, maybe he is taking picture of the ships. That doesn't mean spying, ther will always people taking picture of a ship.

Well if your goverment has troubles its always good to have outside enemies presented to the public, since the relations to Israel are good at the moment someone else must do the job which is Turkey, nobody is sending spies to take pictures first hand anymore, what is this cold war era?
Cant believe there are people buying this crap.