Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[Frogman]

As much as, I think the that MB's are not fit to rule, the reaction of the Egyptian security apparatus, is despicable... The Egyptian army will have a heavy burden to carry for a long time to come, because she took on a job reserved to police forces that weren't probably trained in crowd control. My deep sorrow to the Egyptian contributor in this forum

Or it will all be forgotten in a week. It probably will be forgotten by the majority of non-Egyptian members on this thread who support the MB if people stop dying. The bandwagon stopped for about two weeks and no one seemed to care about the situation in Egypt. This is the military's 1967 part two, if it fails to reform or change from an institution which is involved in the economy and politics to one solely for protecting Egypt under civilian oversight and control then we will have a much bigger problem.

 

[Frogman]

Policeman allegedly shot dead by pro-Morsi supporters in Kurdasa.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Please stop diluting yourselves , with democracy. Democracy is the last thing in the MB's mind. For them, democracy is foreign and has no place in Islam.

HOW would YOU know?

You are just airing your bias. You do not know anything for certain. Only time can tell, and looking at the massacre in Cairo, Egypt's military is certainly more of a problem than a hypothesis about what MB might or might not do. Such excuses were made every time Islamists were seen to succeed in elections. Do you remember Algeria in '90s? Could FIS have brought such bloodshed by itself?

Face it, the excuses likes of you make are just excuses. You can not tolerate Islamists and you would rather have countries burn in civil wars than see Islamists in power. Are they not part of society? If Pakistan can alternate between Leftists and Rightists and live through it, what makes Arabs special that they can not go through this? Why can Arabs like yourself not tolerate democracy, just because you do not think likes of you may not win elections? Is not that intolerance and bigotry in itself.

Either you have elections and respect the outcome, or you put up with civil war and military rule. You have to come to terms with Islamists. The best way is through elections.

 

[Frogman]

HOW would YOU know?

You are just airing your bias. You do not know anything for certain. Only time can tell, and looking at the massacre in Cairo, Egypt's military is certainly more of a problem than a hypothesis about what MB might or might not do. Such excuses were made every time Islamists were seen to succeed in elections. Do you remember Algeria in '90s? Could FIS have brought such bloodshed by itself?

Face it, the excuses likes of you make are just excuses. You can not tolerate Islamists and you would rather have countries burn in civil wars than see Islamists in power. Are they not part of society? If Pakistan can alternate between Leftists and Rightists and live through it, what makes Arabs special that they can not go through this? Why can Arabs like yourself not tolerate democracy, just because you do not think likes of you may not win elections? Is not that intolerance and bigotry in itself.

Either you have elections and respect the outcome, or you put up with civil war and military rule. You have to come to terms with Islamists. The best way is through elections.

So why did Morsi and the Islamists ignore the calls by the military and other political parties for a referendum on presidential elections multiple times along a six month period prior to the coup. Why did Morsi refuse to hold presidential elections when the protests started?

He may have save Egypt this mess but he decided to stick with his "legitimacy".

 

[Chak Bamu]

So why did Morsi and the Islamists ignore the calls by the military and other political parties for a referendum on presidential elections multiple times along a six month period prior to the coup. Why did Morsi refuse to hold presidential elections when the protests started?

He may have save Egypt this mess but he decided to stick with his "legitimacy".

He may have done whatever you say he did (or did not do). In ANY case, he did not cause this bloodbath. It is the making of Egypt's military and its supporters who like to call themsleves 'liberals'. Be very afraid of anyone who rides to power atop a tank.

We in Pakistan put up with the worst president anyone could have, and we tolerated this because we knew the alternative would be Army. Egyptians could have put up with Morsi and their democracy could have been strong for having done so. Sadly, the fissures within Egyptian society were exploited to bring this sorry state of affairs.

 

[Solomon2]

Written by : Ali Ibrahim
on : Wednesday, 14 Aug, 2013
Opinion: A Harsh Mood in Cairo

“Even in the days when tourists were a target of terrorist acts by extremists, we did not see a decline in business and the number of bookings such as the one today,” a receptionist at a hotel in Cairo said. Of course, the receptionist was comparing the first half of the 1990s, which saw an upsurge of terrorist activities, with the present. Perhaps now the holy month of Ramadan, during which the number of tourists drops, have combined with the tense atmosphere caused by the Muslim Brotherhood’s rallies and threats.

Despite the dramatic events, Cairo in Ramadan remains charming, with people staying up late in the city’s cafes. The difference this time is that people are clearly worried about their future. Waiters’ eyes are fixed on the big screens which most restaurants and cafes have tuned the latest news about when and where protests will be taking place and the statements issued by the government, as well as openly exchanging views among themselves. Everyone, young and old, is talking and breathing politics.

Another difference is that people now carefully plan their journeys to avoid roads and areas the Brotherhood might have blocked. Unfortunately, sometimes traffic is suddenly blocked due to a small Brotherhood protest outside the Rabaa Al-Adawiya and Nahda squares.

Other than that, life appears normal. Restaurants and cafes are crowded and traffic in most areas, away from the Brotherhood’s gatherings, is as busy as usual with a huge number of cars roaming the streets as well as long lines of people waiting in front of sweet shops before Iftar. As for Cairo’s new neighborhoods, people are enjoying their lives and many middle and upper middle class families head to the villages and cities along the northern coast during the summer as usual.

Taxi drivers who some think reflect public mood do not conceal their anger of what they call a “financial crisis” due to a decline of business under the Brotherhood’s rule.

Rumors are rife in Egypt and each is spread and denied several times. However, no one can fail to realize that the public mood, particularly of the middle class, is strongly opposed to the Brotherhood and their allies and the ones staging the rallies in Rabaa Al-Adawiya and Nahda squares as well as traffic blockages. The public often appears to be more firm than the interim government, demanding decisive and rapid measures even if it will cost them a high price. Although the popularity of the military jumped enormously after June 30, no one can guarantee the public’s mood, which is currently hungry for a showdown, will not change if much blood is shed. Most Egyptians do not like to see blood.

Perhaps this is what the Brotherhood is betting on following the historic defeat it suffered after a year in power. The group is currently behaving in a manner tantamount to political suicide, with its unrealistic demands and acts which some liken to acts of revenge on society. The Brotherhood is intentionally turning a blind eye to the public atmosphere opposing its policy, as well as the outrage of the residents in the areas where they are staging rallies.

The Brotherhood made a great mistake by failing to realize that the massive protests on June 30 and after was a sign of impatience at the group’s one-year-rule on the part of the public majority who had a desire for change. There might be many reasons for June 30 among which is the way affairs were administered; however, it is certain that part of the reason lies in the public’s concern over the Brotherhood’s attempt at changing Egyptian’s lifestyles.

How will things end? Probably, as time goes by people will have blown off steam, retained their calm and rethought their plans. The money some say is being used to fund protestors will be exhausted soon. This is not to mention that the public appears to be determined to see change. Challenges facing the interim and future rulers will be enormous especially in the economic sphere. However, restoring stability in itself will give tourism and business an immediate push, which people will be able to see.

Ali Ibrahim is Asharq Al-Awsat's deputy editor-in-chief. He is based in London.

 

[Frogman]

He may have done whatever you say he did (or did not do). In ANY case, he did not cause this bloodbath. It is the making of Egypt's military and its supporters who like to call themsleves 'liberals'. Be very afraid of anyone who rides to power atop a tank.

So you're saying the coup and the subsequent events couldn't have been avoided if Morsi agreed to hold a referendum or an election on his presidency?

The military and the MB are both complicit and implicated in the killing of innocent protesters and Morsi's hands were not clear of blood before the coup. The demonisation of liberals and the misunderstanding of the term and the ideology is rather annoying.

We in Pakistan put up with the worst president anyone could have, and we tolerated this because we knew the alternative would be Army.

Two different situations and circumstances.

Egyptians could have put up with Morsi and their democracy could have been strong for having done so

Morsi was an elected autocrat and not a civil servant. He was illegitimate the day he released a constitutional decree granting himself sweeping powers and immunity from prosecution. He was never going to be good for democracy in Egypt. Democracy is a process not an event which grants someone immunity for four years. This wasn't a matter of incompetence.

 

[agentny17]

Wake up people

 

[islamrules]

another bloody move by the kuffr and nifaq alliance against the Egyptian inocent muslims
Dr Beltagi a MB leader recieves Asmaa his daughter's martyrdom news

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1404755369745662

here is Asmaa Beltagi rahimaha Allah

More horrible pics of shuhada n injured

 

[islamrules]

 

[islamrules]

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[islamrules]

the army using israeli gas bombs

forciing an old woman to kneel before him

 

[islamrules]

man holds someone's brain in his hand

This is not Syria

Police cheering up after this slaugher

Abderahman one of the shuhada , he was a Doctor

Abderahman Farag another shahid

 

[TheThreePashas]

Guys. I found a solution to all of this. Why don't we donate our very favorite Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to Egypt? He's great at removing military power! And we will be rid of him! It's a win-win! You're just gonna have to worry about him afterwards... but hey, we'll worry about it one step at a time yeah?

 

[islamrules]

I swear by Allah that the jews are better than these brainless criminals

a sniper on the roof