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so its starting lose of uniform in egypt ?????? next step armed attacks by islamists ?
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That assumes the M-B wouldn't follow the one-man-one-vote-once path of most tyrannical rulers.
That's the danger.
Better to have Egypt under control of people who will suffer with the rest of the populace rather than those who would take the money and run, yes? As it happens, with this coup the aid taps will start flowing again. Yet that's not enough to pull Egypt out of its quagmire. I don't have the answers; I hope the Egyptians find some.
If al-Qaradawi doesn't say otherwise in the next day or two, I think terror in Egypt is a "given".
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mine is fine, it is yours I am worry about...Did you get it reamed enough to fit an IED ? If not, my well endowed african neighbors will hepl you achieve that goal.
only 25% of the population voted, hardly 60 millions
The street has spoken...She didn't want Morsi!
[quote[Fake liberals who support democracy elsewhere but army in #egypt, shame on you. How much time did you give morsi (barely 1 yr) vs 30 yrs to hosni mubarak..[/quote]
Egyptian Army is a republican, her main objectif is to protect the State of Egypt, its constitution and is governed by the will of the people from which it derives its manpower and strength. The Egyptian people has spoken and it acted to restore order and legality.
Moubarek was a dictator, un army high ranking when the army was running Egypt. It is not the case today, the army didn't take the power, or placed one of their own at the helm of Egypt, they put an Judge who is known to all Egyptian for his work, to organize new elections...
What is your point?
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No egyptians are idiots after one year they think mursi should have given them jobs and paved the roads with gold and fixed decades of mismanagement
That too with the backdrop of state institutions opposing them, the army and liberal elite against them and countless constant demonstrations
The same with Pakistan they need to ACCEPT that there will BE A DECADE OF PAIN AT LEAST before they see improvements
The army and liberal scum in power now won't or can't bring egyptians immediate relief the lack of jobs, lackbof money and poverty will all increase
The frustration will all increase
The muslim brotherhood will just need to oppose the process keep demonstrating USE RAMADAN to bring the people out
Because the MB have not had a chance to rule their return is guaranteed
That too with the backdrop of state institutions opposing them, the army and liberal elite against them and countless constant demonstrations
The same with Pakistan they need to ACCEPT that there will BE A DECADE OF PAIN AT LEAST before they see improvements
The army and liberal scum in power now won't or can't bring egyptians immediate relief the lack of jobs, lackbof money and poverty will all increase
The frustration will all increase
The muslim brotherhood will just need to oppose the process keep demonstrating USE RAMADAN to bring the people out
Because the MB have not had a chance to rule their return is guaranteed
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CAIRO Islamist supporters of Mohamed Morsi, Egypts ousted president, held enormous demonstrations in Cairo on Friday, and thousands of them angrily confronted security forces guarding the compound where he was believed to be held. Witnesses said at least five demonstrators were killed by gunfire.
Many others were wounded in the confrontation, but the precise casualty toll was unclear. Reporters heard multiple volleys of gunshots and saw blood on the streets and demonstrators nursing what appeared to be birdshot wounds. Large numbers of soldiers, rifles at the ready, were perched behind sandbagged barricades in front of the Republican Guard barracks, ringed by barbed wire and believed to be housing Mr. Morsi. The smell of tear gas hung in the air.
Wheres Morsi? Wheres Morsi? angry demonstrators screamed, shaking their shoes in disrespect at military helicopters circling them. Many of the Morsi loyalists spoke of martyrdom and said they would not leave the streets until their leader was freed and restored to office, raising the possibility of further violence and a prolonged standoff.
Everyone here is ready to die, said a demonstrator who identified himself as Mohamed Ismael, a 41-year-old veterinarian.
Video uploaded on YouTube showed what appeared to be one dead protester on the street. Al Jazeera television reported that the army had denied its soldiers opened fire on protesters and had said the soldiers were armed only with blank cartridges and tear gas.
The demonstrations were organized by the Muslim Brotherhood and its allies to express their outrage over the ouster and arrest of Mr. Morsi, an Islamist and Egypts first freely elected president. He was in power for only a year. Since he was forced out by military commanders Wednesday evening, security forces have arrested dozens of senior Muslim Brotherhood members and shut down its television stations in a widening crackdown.
An interim president installed by the military, the former chief justice of the Supreme Constitutional Court, Adli Mansour, took a further step on Friday to disempower the vestiges of Mr. Morsis government by formally dissolving the Shura Council, the countrys only operating house of Parliament, which had been dominated by the Islamists. The constitutional court had disbanded the lower house last year, one of many challenges Mr. Morsi had faced in his troubled tenure.
Egypts military commanders have justified the ouster of Mr. Morsi by saying they felt compelled to bring the country back together after millions of Egyptians demonstrated against him, claiming he had arrogated power, neglected the economy and worsened divisions in society.
Early on Friday, in a sign of the potential resistance to the new order, armed Islamists struck at four security force positions in the restive Sinai Peninsula, killing one soldier and wounding two in a rocket attack on a police post in Rafah on the border with Gaza Strip, according to news reports that quoted security officials. Separate rocket attacks were said to have been aimed at military checkpoints at El Arish airport in Sinai.
The Associated Press quoted an Egyptian official as saying the border crossing to the Gaza Strip had been closed indefinitely.
In an apparent show of force, military jets howled over the capital, Cairo, for a second day on Friday, leaving streams of smoke in the red, white and black colors of the national flag. By midday, few protesters appeared to have gathered in Tahrir Square a focal point of anti-Morsi dissent earlier this week.
At the same time, the militarys move against Mr. Morsi, which has drawn a mixed regional response, seems to have created a degree of isolation within the broader African continent. News reports said the African Union, the Pan-African representative body based in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, resolved to suspend Egypt from all its activities in line with rules on the interruption of constitutional rule.
In an apparent show of force, military jets howled over the capital, Cairo, for a second day on Friday, leaving streams of smoke in the red, white and black colors of the national flag. By midday, few protesters appeared to have gathered in Tahrir Square a focal point of anti-Morsi dissent earlier this week.
At the same time, the militarys move against Mr. Morsi, which has drawn a mixed regional response, seems to have created a degree of isolation within the broader African continent. News reports said the African Union, the Pan-African representative body based in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, resolved to suspend Egypt from all its activities in line with rules on the interruption of constitutional rule.
It was already clear by late Thursday that the forced change of power, which had the trappings of a military coup spurred by a popular revolt, had only aggravated the most seething division in Egypt that between the Muslim Brotherhood and the security apparatus built up by Hosni Mubarak, the president toppled in Egypts 2011 revolution.
On Thursday, in a stately ceremony in the countrys highest court, Mr. Mansour was sworn in as the new acting head of state. He said he looked forward to parliamentary and presidential elections that would express the true will of the people. Mr. Mansour praised the militarys intervention so that Egypt could correct the path of its glorious revolution.
At the same time, security forces held Mr. Morsi incommunicado, Islamist broadcast outlets were closed and prosecutors sought the arrest of hundreds of Mr. Morsis Brotherhood colleagues, in a sign that they had the most to lose.
What kind of national reconciliation starts with arresting people? asked Ebrahem el-Erian after security officials came to his family home before dawn to try to arrest his father, Essam el-Erian, a Brotherhood official. This is complete exclusion.
Many of the most significant political shifts pointed to the reassertion of the deep state, a term often used for the powerful branches of the Mubarak-era government that remained in place after he had been deposed.
Much of that state apparatus has always shown deep distrust of Mr. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, despite their victories in parliamentary and presidential elections.
Mr. Morsi never succeeded in asserting his control over the military, the security services, the judiciary or the sprawling state bureaucracy. Nor was he able to dismantle the support network that Mr. Mubarak and his National Democratic Party cultivated through nearly 30 years in power.
So once the military removed Mr. Morsi, many of these elements set their sights on him and his group.
What do you call it when the police, state security, old members of the National Democratic Party, the media all rally to bring down the regime? asked Emad Shahin, a political science professor at the American University in Cairo. Is that a revolution? If this is the revolution, so be it.
In his swearing-in address, Mr. Mansour offered an olive branch to the Islamists, saying they were part of Egyptian society and deserved to participate in the political process. The National Salvation Front, an umbrella opposition group that had pushed for Mr. Morsis ouster, also called for inclusive politics.
But in less than 24 hours after the militarys intervention, prosecutors issued arrest warrants for at least 200 Islamists, most members of the Muslim Brotherhood. All were wanted on accusations of incitement to kill demonstrators.
The arrest campaign recalled the Muslim Brotherhoods decades as a banned organization under autocratic rulers.
This is a police state back in action, and the same faces that were ousted with the Mubarak regime are now appearing on talk shows as analysts, said a Brotherhood spokesman, Gehad el-Haddad, during an interview with Al Jazeeras English satellite channel.
He repeated a conspiracy theory often cited by Islamists: what appeared to be an easing of electricity cuts and fuel shortages in recent days indicated that the shortfalls had been artificially created to feed discontent.
Did someone push a magic button, or was this all part of a plot? Mr. Haddad asked.
Much remains unclear about the new political structure that will emerge, though Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize-winning diplomat, has been chosen to represent the liberal opposition.
In a telephone interview, Mr. ElBaradei sought to justify the militarys intervention, calling it a chance to fix the transition to democracy that he said had gone off track after the ouster of Mr. Mubarak.
We just lost two and a half years, he said. As Yogi Berra said, It is déjà vu all over again, but hopefully this time we will get it right.
He also defended the arrests of Islamists, saying he had been assured that they would receive due process and that the shuttered television outlets had incited violence.
I would be the first one to shout loud and clearly if I see any sign of regression in terms of democracy, he said. In a sign that the anti-Morsi backlash may have overreached, a Mubarak-appointed prosecutor general, Abdel Meguid Mahmoud, who had been dismissed by Mr. Morsi and was among those reinstated to his office on Thursday, resigned less than 24 hours later, apparently sensitive to the appearance of engaging in political retaliation.
In a statement reported by Ahram Online, Mr. Mahmoud said he had decided to resign to avoid the embarrassment of making judicial decisions against those who removed me from office.
On Thursday Mr. Mahmoud, who was equally detested by critics of Mr. Mubarak and Mr. Morsi, called his return to office a message for every ruler: You must respect your judiciary, and you must respect your judges.
The pre-Morsi foreign minister, Mohamed Kamel Amr, was also back in the post on Thursday. Mr. Amr had continued to serve under Mr. Morsi but had been sidelined as Mr. Morsi sent other aides to meetings with President Obama and other officials, and he resigned during Mr. Morsis final days, a major blow.
Mr. Amr held a series of meetings with the foreign news media on Thursday aimed at refuting the idea that Egypt had undergone a military coup. He also laughed about his relationship with Mr. Morsi, suggesting that he had given his foreign counterparts his own view of Egypts affairs.
I was presenting the true picture of his country to the outside world, he said. I dont mean to be blowing my own horn, but I believe that was respected by my counterparts.
Even the police force, much despised by Mr. Mubaraks opponents for trying to quash the protests that pushed him from power, has sought to portray itself as standing with the people in the new era.
Fahmy Bahgat, an officer who often speaks for the security services, said in a television interview that the generals move returned the police to the arms of the people once more.
He also threatened those who challenged the new order.
Whoever tries to show any support for the ousted president will be met with the utmost resolve, he said.
The prospect of confrontation raised international concern. Navi Pillay, the top United Nations human rights official, said in a statement from Geneva that a concerted effort is needed by all parties to establish sound political and legal institutions.
There should be no more violence, no arbitrary detention, no illegal acts of retribution, she said. Serious steps should also be taken to halt, and investigate, the appalling and at times seemingly organized sexual violence targeting women protesters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=3&_r=0&hp
Many others were wounded in the confrontation, but the precise casualty toll was unclear. Reporters heard multiple volleys of gunshots and saw blood on the streets and demonstrators nursing what appeared to be birdshot wounds. Large numbers of soldiers, rifles at the ready, were perched behind sandbagged barricades in front of the Republican Guard barracks, ringed by barbed wire and believed to be housing Mr. Morsi. The smell of tear gas hung in the air.
Wheres Morsi? Wheres Morsi? angry demonstrators screamed, shaking their shoes in disrespect at military helicopters circling them. Many of the Morsi loyalists spoke of martyrdom and said they would not leave the streets until their leader was freed and restored to office, raising the possibility of further violence and a prolonged standoff.
Everyone here is ready to die, said a demonstrator who identified himself as Mohamed Ismael, a 41-year-old veterinarian.
Video uploaded on YouTube showed what appeared to be one dead protester on the street. Al Jazeera television reported that the army had denied its soldiers opened fire on protesters and had said the soldiers were armed only with blank cartridges and tear gas.
The demonstrations were organized by the Muslim Brotherhood and its allies to express their outrage over the ouster and arrest of Mr. Morsi, an Islamist and Egypts first freely elected president. He was in power for only a year. Since he was forced out by military commanders Wednesday evening, security forces have arrested dozens of senior Muslim Brotherhood members and shut down its television stations in a widening crackdown.
An interim president installed by the military, the former chief justice of the Supreme Constitutional Court, Adli Mansour, took a further step on Friday to disempower the vestiges of Mr. Morsis government by formally dissolving the Shura Council, the countrys only operating house of Parliament, which had been dominated by the Islamists. The constitutional court had disbanded the lower house last year, one of many challenges Mr. Morsi had faced in his troubled tenure.
Egypts military commanders have justified the ouster of Mr. Morsi by saying they felt compelled to bring the country back together after millions of Egyptians demonstrated against him, claiming he had arrogated power, neglected the economy and worsened divisions in society.
Early on Friday, in a sign of the potential resistance to the new order, armed Islamists struck at four security force positions in the restive Sinai Peninsula, killing one soldier and wounding two in a rocket attack on a police post in Rafah on the border with Gaza Strip, according to news reports that quoted security officials. Separate rocket attacks were said to have been aimed at military checkpoints at El Arish airport in Sinai.
The Associated Press quoted an Egyptian official as saying the border crossing to the Gaza Strip had been closed indefinitely.
In an apparent show of force, military jets howled over the capital, Cairo, for a second day on Friday, leaving streams of smoke in the red, white and black colors of the national flag. By midday, few protesters appeared to have gathered in Tahrir Square a focal point of anti-Morsi dissent earlier this week.
At the same time, the militarys move against Mr. Morsi, which has drawn a mixed regional response, seems to have created a degree of isolation within the broader African continent. News reports said the African Union, the Pan-African representative body based in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, resolved to suspend Egypt from all its activities in line with rules on the interruption of constitutional rule.
In an apparent show of force, military jets howled over the capital, Cairo, for a second day on Friday, leaving streams of smoke in the red, white and black colors of the national flag. By midday, few protesters appeared to have gathered in Tahrir Square a focal point of anti-Morsi dissent earlier this week.
At the same time, the militarys move against Mr. Morsi, which has drawn a mixed regional response, seems to have created a degree of isolation within the broader African continent. News reports said the African Union, the Pan-African representative body based in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, resolved to suspend Egypt from all its activities in line with rules on the interruption of constitutional rule.
It was already clear by late Thursday that the forced change of power, which had the trappings of a military coup spurred by a popular revolt, had only aggravated the most seething division in Egypt that between the Muslim Brotherhood and the security apparatus built up by Hosni Mubarak, the president toppled in Egypts 2011 revolution.
On Thursday, in a stately ceremony in the countrys highest court, Mr. Mansour was sworn in as the new acting head of state. He said he looked forward to parliamentary and presidential elections that would express the true will of the people. Mr. Mansour praised the militarys intervention so that Egypt could correct the path of its glorious revolution.
At the same time, security forces held Mr. Morsi incommunicado, Islamist broadcast outlets were closed and prosecutors sought the arrest of hundreds of Mr. Morsis Brotherhood colleagues, in a sign that they had the most to lose.
What kind of national reconciliation starts with arresting people? asked Ebrahem el-Erian after security officials came to his family home before dawn to try to arrest his father, Essam el-Erian, a Brotherhood official. This is complete exclusion.
Many of the most significant political shifts pointed to the reassertion of the deep state, a term often used for the powerful branches of the Mubarak-era government that remained in place after he had been deposed.
Much of that state apparatus has always shown deep distrust of Mr. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, despite their victories in parliamentary and presidential elections.
Mr. Morsi never succeeded in asserting his control over the military, the security services, the judiciary or the sprawling state bureaucracy. Nor was he able to dismantle the support network that Mr. Mubarak and his National Democratic Party cultivated through nearly 30 years in power.
So once the military removed Mr. Morsi, many of these elements set their sights on him and his group.
What do you call it when the police, state security, old members of the National Democratic Party, the media all rally to bring down the regime? asked Emad Shahin, a political science professor at the American University in Cairo. Is that a revolution? If this is the revolution, so be it.
In his swearing-in address, Mr. Mansour offered an olive branch to the Islamists, saying they were part of Egyptian society and deserved to participate in the political process. The National Salvation Front, an umbrella opposition group that had pushed for Mr. Morsis ouster, also called for inclusive politics.
But in less than 24 hours after the militarys intervention, prosecutors issued arrest warrants for at least 200 Islamists, most members of the Muslim Brotherhood. All were wanted on accusations of incitement to kill demonstrators.
The arrest campaign recalled the Muslim Brotherhoods decades as a banned organization under autocratic rulers.
This is a police state back in action, and the same faces that were ousted with the Mubarak regime are now appearing on talk shows as analysts, said a Brotherhood spokesman, Gehad el-Haddad, during an interview with Al Jazeeras English satellite channel.
He repeated a conspiracy theory often cited by Islamists: what appeared to be an easing of electricity cuts and fuel shortages in recent days indicated that the shortfalls had been artificially created to feed discontent.
Did someone push a magic button, or was this all part of a plot? Mr. Haddad asked.
Much remains unclear about the new political structure that will emerge, though Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize-winning diplomat, has been chosen to represent the liberal opposition.
In a telephone interview, Mr. ElBaradei sought to justify the militarys intervention, calling it a chance to fix the transition to democracy that he said had gone off track after the ouster of Mr. Mubarak.
We just lost two and a half years, he said. As Yogi Berra said, It is déjà vu all over again, but hopefully this time we will get it right.
He also defended the arrests of Islamists, saying he had been assured that they would receive due process and that the shuttered television outlets had incited violence.
I would be the first one to shout loud and clearly if I see any sign of regression in terms of democracy, he said. In a sign that the anti-Morsi backlash may have overreached, a Mubarak-appointed prosecutor general, Abdel Meguid Mahmoud, who had been dismissed by Mr. Morsi and was among those reinstated to his office on Thursday, resigned less than 24 hours later, apparently sensitive to the appearance of engaging in political retaliation.
In a statement reported by Ahram Online, Mr. Mahmoud said he had decided to resign to avoid the embarrassment of making judicial decisions against those who removed me from office.
On Thursday Mr. Mahmoud, who was equally detested by critics of Mr. Mubarak and Mr. Morsi, called his return to office a message for every ruler: You must respect your judiciary, and you must respect your judges.
The pre-Morsi foreign minister, Mohamed Kamel Amr, was also back in the post on Thursday. Mr. Amr had continued to serve under Mr. Morsi but had been sidelined as Mr. Morsi sent other aides to meetings with President Obama and other officials, and he resigned during Mr. Morsis final days, a major blow.
Mr. Amr held a series of meetings with the foreign news media on Thursday aimed at refuting the idea that Egypt had undergone a military coup. He also laughed about his relationship with Mr. Morsi, suggesting that he had given his foreign counterparts his own view of Egypts affairs.
I was presenting the true picture of his country to the outside world, he said. I dont mean to be blowing my own horn, but I believe that was respected by my counterparts.
Even the police force, much despised by Mr. Mubaraks opponents for trying to quash the protests that pushed him from power, has sought to portray itself as standing with the people in the new era.
Fahmy Bahgat, an officer who often speaks for the security services, said in a television interview that the generals move returned the police to the arms of the people once more.
He also threatened those who challenged the new order.
Whoever tries to show any support for the ousted president will be met with the utmost resolve, he said.
The prospect of confrontation raised international concern. Navi Pillay, the top United Nations human rights official, said in a statement from Geneva that a concerted effort is needed by all parties to establish sound political and legal institutions.
There should be no more violence, no arbitrary detention, no illegal acts of retribution, she said. Serious steps should also be taken to halt, and investigate, the appalling and at times seemingly organized sexual violence targeting women protesters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=3&_r=0&hp
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Dont underestimate the Ramadan effect
The Muslims will be in the mosques, fasting and praying
This is the time for the Muslim brotherhood to act
Make Egypt ungovernable, don't give the liberal scum any peace
The Muslims will be in the mosques, fasting and praying
This is the time for the Muslim brotherhood to act
Make Egypt ungovernable, don't give the liberal scum any peace
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So,the jews again huh?
good one!
oh come on.. if you fall in love with a nice jewish boy.. are you not going to marry him..
good one!
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So,the jews again huh?
Well Morsi should've been booted out because he did support Galatasaray !
Had he supported Fenerbahce....I would've considered otherwise !
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And what if he said he was muslim(shia offcourse)untill you fell in love with him?NO, THEY ARE EVIL!
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You again?Well Morsi should've been booted out because he did support Galatasaray !
Had he supported Fenerbahce....I would've considered otherwise !
The Turkish Navy bought two new state of the art rowing boats(red and yellow) with one paddle on each boat.
One boat for you and the other for your friend Neptune.
We have arranged for Hazal Kaya(Somalian pirats) to welcome you in somalia(if you ever reach that far).
Good luck!
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Yes its me again... @Deno made me an Honorary Turk as I made her an Honorary Pakistani which means I can butt-in whenever & wherever I want when it comes to Turkey !
I dunno if @Neptune is such a good swimmer; the last time we swam he ended up being taken under the water by a Sealion after it has seen @Neptune 's cute butt & the rest I can't tell otherwise he'd ban me !
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I got this one from a source and I can trust him, as Egyptian officials especially military generals have been warning Egyptians from serious plots, there are plans to divide Egypt into three countries, this was taken by hackers from Egyptian intelligence website.
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Well, one thing, this fake charge is yet one more example of why the MB fell out of favor with the Egyptian people.
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