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Dude, this is too much, I can't take it :rofl:

BTW, what are you guys going to do with Morsi? Will they keep him under house arrest for a month or so?

Morsi will be under house arrest I believe until things settle down and then he can either be put on trail for inciting violence and spying (one of the cases put on him it may stick it may not).

a7a ya3ny mesh bas leek fetar bebalash , kaman bel mozza , dah a5er 7alawa , mesh na2es 3'eer el 7asheesh wel maza

But what if you want to go for an hour would you have to pay 40 pounds or wait your turn again.

talama fe 7odood el shar3eya mafeesh moshkela .

Ya3am de maskhara.

Mursi under "criminal investigation"...it keeps getting dirty!

For inciting violence and reporting to a foreign nation (basically spying). I think the first one will stick the second one not so sure.



This is for all of you who think Alikhwan are anti-American. Calling for America to "free" them.
 
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A military which protected and protects the will of the people. For those who dont understand Arabic the political side of the video maybe lost to you nonetheless there's some sweet military footage.

 
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Official Egyptian response:

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Foreign Minister meets interim Egyptian president

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[7/14/2013 6:59:40 PM]
CAIRO (Petra) – Minister of Foreign Affairs and Expatriate Affairs Nasser Judeh conveyed the greetings of His Majesty King Abdullah II and his wishes of progress and prosperity to the Egyptian people.

At a meeting in Cairo with Egyptian Interim President Adly Mansour, Judeh voiced the hope that Egypt will continue to play its historical and pivotal role at the regional and international level.

The minister reiterated Jordan's support to Egypt to overcome the current circumstances, safeguard its security and stability, and realize the aspirations of the Egyptian people for a prosperous future.

Judeh also discussed Jordanian-Egyptian ties with the Egyptian interim president, adding that Jordan was keen build closer relations in the interest of both the peoples.

The Egyptian president appreciated Jordan's support to Egypt and its people at all times and said his country valued King Abdullah's efforts to bring about peace and stability in the region.

The foreign minister also met with Arab League Secretary General Nabil Elaraby and discussed the latest developments in the Middle East, besides efforts to resume peace negotiations between the Palestinians and Israelis.

Talks also covered the situation in Syria and the need to bring the ongoing violence to an end by arriving at a political solution to the Syrian crisis that meets the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people and preserves Syria's unity.

Foreign Minister meets interim Egyptian president | Main News | Ammon News
 
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7 more ppl killed by Army lovers + 200 injured.. BBC

Edit: Sorry, the picture I posted was a young girl killed by regime forces in Syria, it had nothing to do with Egypt. Apologies
 
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Disputes between Morsi, military led to Egypt coup

Disputes between Morsi, military led to Egypt coup

HAMZA HENDAWI 50 minutes ago

CAIRO (AP) — The head of Egypt's military, Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, sat with a polite smile in the front row listening to President Mohammed Morsi give a 2 1/2-hour speech defending his year in office. El-Sissi even clapped lightly as the audience of Morsi supporters broke into cheers.

It was a calculating display of cool by an army general plotting the overthrow of his commander in chief. Just over a week later, el-Sissi slid in the knife, announcing Morsi's ouster on state TV on July 3 as troops took the Islamist leader into custody.

The move was the culmination of nearly a year of acrimonious relations between el-Sissi and Egypt's first freely elected — and first civilian — president.

A series of interviews by The Associated Press with defense, security and intelligence officials paint a picture of a president who intended to flex his civilian authority as supreme commander of the armed forces, issuing orders to el-Sissi. In turn, the military chief believed Morsi was leading the country into turmoil and repeatedly challenged him, defying his orders in at least two cases.

The degree of their differences suggests that the military had been planning for months to take greater control of the political reins in Egypt. When an activist group named Tamarod began a campaign to oust Morsi, building up to protests by millions nationwide that began June 30, it appears to have provided a golden opportunity for el-Sissi to get rid of the president. The military helped Tamarod from early on, communicating with it through third parties, according to the officials.

The reason, the officials said, was because of profound policy differences with Morsi. El-Sissi saw him as dangerously mismanaging a wave of protests early in the year that saw dozens killed by security forces. More significantly, however, the military also worried that Morsi was giving a free hand to Islamic militants in the Sinai Peninsula, ordering el-Sissi to stop crackdowns on jihadis who had killed Egyptian soldiers and were escalating a campaign of violence.

"I don't want Muslims to shed the blood of fellow Muslims," Morsi told el-Sissi in ordering a halt to a planned offensive in November, retired army Gen. Sameh Seif el-Yazl told AP. Seif el-Yazl remains close to the military and sometimes appears with el-Sissi at public events.

And at root, the military establishment has historically had little tolerance for the Muslim Brotherhood, Morsi's Islamist group. The military leadership has long held the conviction that the group puts its regional Islamist ambitions above Egypt's security interests.

Its alliances with Gaza's Hamas rulers and other Islamist groups alarmed the military, which believed Gaza militants were involved in Sinai violence. The officials said the military leadership also believed the Brotherhood was trying to co-opt commanders to turn against el-Sissi.

The military has been the most powerful institution in Egypt since officers staged a 1952 coup that toppled the monarchy. Except for Morsi, the military has since given Egypt all of its presidents and maintained a powerful influence over policy. Having a civilian leader over the military was entirely new for the country.

The Brotherhood accuses el-Sissi of turning against them and carrying out a coup to wreck democracy. Since being deposed, Morsi is detained by the military at an undisclosed Defense Ministry facility.

The Brotherhood had believed that el-Sissi was sympathetic with their Islamist agenda. A senior Brotherhood official told AP that Morsi installed el-Sissi, then the head of military intelligence, as defense minister and head of the armed forces in August 2012 in part because he had been the contact man between the Brotherhood and the military junta that ruled Egypt for nearly 17 months after the February 2011 fall of autocrat Hosni Mubarak.

El-Sissi spoke of his differences with Morsi for the first time Sunday when he addressed military officers in a meeting that was partially televised.

"I don't want to count to you the number of times that the armed forces showed its reservations on many actions and measures that came as a surprise," el-Sissi said.

Along with the Brotherhood official, eight current senior officials in the military, military intelligence and Interior Ministry — including a top army commander and an officer from el-Sissi's inner circle — spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the events between Morsi and the military.

They recounted tense conversations and meetings with a frustrated Morsi frequently reminding the military chief of his rank as supreme commander.

As early as April, the army drew up a contingency plan to assert control of the nation by taking charge of security if street violence escalated out of Morsi's control, the intelligence and defense officials said.

The plan did not entail removing Morsi. Instead, it was an expansion of the role the army took in the Suez Canal city of Port Said, which by that time had seen months of anti-Morsi protests that evolved into an outright revolt. More than 40 protesters had been killed by police there, as Morsi publicly urged security forces to deal strongly with the protests. The military was deployed in the city, largely welcomed by the residents, who continued protests and strikes.

The military officials said Morsi had ordered the army to get tougher on protesters, but el-Sissi refused, telling him, "The people have demands."

About this time, in April and May, el-Sissi's officials met with commanders of the Republican Guard, the army branch that protects the president. The commanders told them that Morsi's aides were trying to co-opt Guard officers and senior army officers in a move to replace el-Sissi, according to the official in the military chief's staff.

Each side's suspicions were fueled by leaks in the press with anonymous Brotherhood and military officials quoted as criticizing the other. In meetings, Morsi assured el-Sissi that he had no intention of firing him, saying, "These are just rumors," the defense officials said. El-Sissi told Morsi that the military leaks were merely "newspaper talk."

In April, the youth activists of Tamarod, Arabic for "Rebel," began collecting signatures on a petition for Morsi to step down. When it said it had 2 million signatures in mid-May, the military took an interest and worked through third parties that connected the group with liberal and opposition-linked businessmen who would bank it, said two high-ranking Interior Ministry officials.

The campaign claimed in June to have more than 20 million signatures — though the number has never been independently confirmed — and called for mass rallies against Morsi to start June 30, the anniversary of his inauguration. El-Sissi issued a statement saying the armed forces would intervene to stop any violence at the protests, particularly to stop Morsi supporters from attacking the rallies. He gave the two sides a week to resolve their differences — with the deadline being June 30.

The protection plan appeared to be an evolution of the original contingency plan set up in April, and it was widely seen as a show of support for the protesters.

Morsi summoned el-Sissi to explain his statement, and the general reassured him that "this was designed to calm people down," the Brotherhood official said.

"He did not show his true intentions until July 1 when he gave the president a 48-hour ultimatum," said the official, referring to a second ultimatum from el-Sissi that explicitly demanded Morsi find a solution with his opponents or the military would intervene.

Soon after the first deadline was issued, two Morsi aides called the commander of the 2nd Field Army, Maj. Gen. Ahmed Wasfi, based in the Suez Canal region, and sounded him out about installing him in el-Sissi's place, the military officials said. Wasfi immediately informed el-Sissi of the call, they said.

Seif el-Yazl and the military and intelligence officials said security in the strategic Sinai Peninsula bordering Gaza and Israel was at the heart of the differences. The region plunged into lawlessness after Mubarak's ouster, with Islamic militants gaining increasing power. Soon after Morsi took office, militants killed 16 Egyptian soldiers in a single attack and smaller-scale shootings on security forces mounted. In May, six policemen and a soldier were kidnapped.

Morsi in each case vowed action, but he and his aides also spoke publicly on the need for restraint and dialogue. At one point, he publicly acknowledged holding the military back from a raid to prevent civilian casualties, and he also spoke of the need not to harm the kidnappers as well as the captives. Morsi's ultraconservative Salafi allies mediated with militant groups to get them to halt violence, although attacks continued.

In November, Morsi ordered el-Sissi to halt a planned Sinai offensive a day before it was to be launched, and el-Sissi complied, Self el-Yazl said. In May, the kidnappers released their captives after a week, apparently after mediation. Morsi vowed publicly to track them down, but the military officials said the president ordered el-Sissi to pull his forces out of the area where they were believed to be. Again, the military complied. The kidnappers have not been caught.

The security and intelligence officials said they reported to Morsi about a rising number of foreign jihadis, including Palestinians, entering Sinai. The military identified Gazan militants involved in the killing of the 16 soldiers, but Morsi rejected a request by el-Sissi that he ask Hamas to hand them over for trial, the officials said. Hamas has repeatedly denied any role in the killings.

Morsi instead ordered el-Sissi to meet with Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal to discuss the issue. El-Sissi refused, because of the military's longtime view of Hamas as a threat, said the officials.

The military saw the policy of dialogue as being rooted in the Brotherhood's sympathy to others in the Islamist movement, even ones engaged in violence. Another incident deepened the military's belief that Morsi was more interested in a regional Islamist agenda than what the army saw as Egypt's interests.

During an April visit to Sudan, which has an Islamist government, Morsi showed flexibility over the fate of a border region claimed by both countries. After Morsi's return, el-Sissi sent his chief of staff to Khartoum to "make it crystal clear to the Sudanese that the Egyptian armed forces will never surrender" the territory, one defense official said.

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And then there was this interesting comment among all other comments:

Ahmed Alireza 37 minutes ago 2 3
naaaaaaaaah....the coup had nothing to do with islam nor morsis policies....the real reason was the morsi corruption files held by morsi implicating the military in deep curruption and illegal accumulated wealth during 30 yrs of mubaraks rule....the military officers were swcared of being exposed....this is the whole syory/....all else is just bs
 
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Really stupid and disrespectful!!

How is the situation in Egypt on the ground today? I hear from my Egyptian friends and fellow students that the situation is quite tense in Cairo depending on the neighborhood. I really hope that you can short out your differences and that somehow as big a consensus can be reached so peace and prosperity can return to Egypt.

Both sides have committed wrong-doings and I truly hope that they will both learn something from this in the future. That is not the way to solve problems.
 
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