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Egyptian army fired live bullets and people stopped fled their prayers. They took it too far.
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He is highly respected in Pakistan too.
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1) I hope you did take a look at the new constitution as approved by the 64% of the people. I did read the basics of the Constitution. It does assert human right to dignity, life, and pursuit of happiness in general.
2) You actually have evidence to show that Morsi ordered MB to surround the supreme court ?
3) I don't recall reading any U.S sate department release noting that opponents are being put to jail by the thousands.
I will just add MB took the brunt of the Sadat and Mubarak regimes political tortures. They do have a few axes to grind.
4) Violance between Copts and some Muslim in certain regions is nothing new. The guy does not have a magic wand to wave and solve the ills of the society.
5) They are the most known and the biggest party. This is what they gained in return for torture and murder by the Mubarak like regimes for decades. They simply earned it. You gotta face'em politically to lessen their hold.
I was hoping you would point more specific examples, laws or statues that deemed so tyrannical in nature. What you wrote is very common in nascent democracy, this is how everywhere it starts.
You have no idea how the two ladies ( the PM and the opposition chief) in Bangladesh acts after being at it for more than two decades since the early 90s.
1) Hasina Govt just took down the trusted interim care-taking govt that serves between general elections against the wishes of the people.
2) She shuts down buses, trains or other public transportation so oppostion can't do what you did in Tahir square.
3) Her regimes just simply pick-up opposition leaders never to be seen again.
4) She recently killed hundreds of opposition activists using the state apparatuses.
I can go on and on. But thats just how it is in the Representative form Govt taking baby steps. It takes decades to build these institutions.
64% out of 20% of 51 million registered voters. So basically Egypt got a constitution that was supported by just over 10% of the Egyptian public after a scandalous and disgraceful campaign not based upon the constitutions merits but on the (supposed) character and religions of those who oppose it.
Most of the clauses in the Egyptian constitution weren't that bad but there's a select few that could be left to the interpretation of governments. But, this still wasn't the greatest problem. The problem was that many religious factions and parties of differing ideologies left the constitutional assembly as a protest to how the constitution was being written (majority vote, ignoring the minority) and how the Islamist parties were dominating the assembly. So, to begin with the constitution was illegitimate. This lead to the constitutional court deciding that the constitutional assembly should be dissolved and a new one drafted. Dr. Morsi then decided to release the constitutional decree to stop this and push the constitution through while his minions (or the supreme guides minions) surrounded the constitutional court to delay the decision to dissolve the assembly.
The MB is a hierarchical organization, so, any decision to protest or surround any court is made by their leadership and not a spontaneous act. The same people who decided to surround the constitutional court are now those who fill some of Egypt's streets calling for Morsis return.
Egypt: Activist faces jail sentence on bogus charges | Amnesty International
Egypt clamps down on well-known opposition figures | World news | guardian.co.uk
Egyptian activist arrested in Cairo after meeting with officials in Washington | FP Passport
There are many more. Most have not been publicized due to the image (how big they are) of some of the opposition.
The MB bore the brunt of a crackdown because they were the source of terrorist attacks that indiscriminately killed anyone in the attacks vicinity and famously killed a populist leader. Mubarak was afraid they were going to oust him and so he cracked down on them.
Yes, but he does have the power to condemn these attacks and not be in the presence of clerics who call for sectarian violence (and say nothing) as he did in that farce of a conference that called for state sponsored Jihadis to go to Syria.
No, their political gains are a result of their organization and the ability to mobilize many as a result of their grass roots tactics.
They also failed to meet their social contract with the people. Such things as a government made up of many political and religious figures never materialized (only power grabs occurred) as did many other promises for an inclusive regime.The military spent six months trying to hold reconciliation talks the presidency refused all of them.
The presidency itself didn't respect the constitution and common law or the judiciary. Would you expect the citizens of that nation to do the same. There was nothing tyrannical in nature, however, there was an absence of clauses that could prohibit tyranny. Basically, an absence of checks and balances on governmental power. There was also an absence of clauses which dealt with mass protests which withdraw the legitimacy from a president or government and then provide a constitutional process which can lead to a transitional phase or compromise.
Re-valuate the principles of democracy and you would see that the movements in Egypt were democratic. Every nation is different, one nation may welcome a particular action while another may condemn it.
Unofficial results reported on 23 December 2012 found that 32.9% of the electorate voted and that the constitution was approved with 63.8% of the vote in favor over the two rounds of polling.[6]
You cannot call a coup by Army a democratic step, that is true for any country in the world.
Why did only 32.9% of electorate voted? If enough of the opposing side came to vote no, the constitution could easily be defeated and a new one could be worked on, no? That would be a proper democratic step, instead of this "protest" supporting and calling for a coup by the Army. Egyptian democracy has now become a joke.
"One of the protesters here said that the appointment of ElBaradei is a move directed at appeasing the United States and that he served them well, allowing for the invasion of Iraq when he was in the IAEA and will now be their puppet again - we all know he is a puppet.
"Another person said that ElBaradei was even too scared to nominate himself in the elections. That's how little support he has - he needed the army to put him in office. So to sum up the mood here: it is rejection, anger and dismissal," Elshayyal said.
The MB had no intentions of building a democratic process in Egypt. To them democracy is an event that happens every four years not a continuous process.
The result still stands above ten-twenty percent of the Egyptian electorate, however, the constitution was illegitimate even before being put to a referendum.
The army did not act out of its own accord. It accepted the call of over 17+ million protesters calling for presidential elections and using their only standing democratic institution to call for this, the street. If the elected house of parliament was still standing then that could have been used to influence the government and the presidency, however, it isn't so what else did protesters have that they could use for their voices to be heard except the street.
A combination of voter fatigue and apathy as well as wide boycotts. The opposition in the streets over the past week were not only those who opposed the MB since Morsi was elected. The ordinary Egyptian man and woman who had no ideological beliefs or affiliations were what made these protests so big (many of whom voted for Morsi and were sympathetic to the MB). The presidency rejected any amendments(to the constitution) until the day before Morsi was removed (that in itself says something doesn't it).
Democracy is more than a ballot in plastic box.