DZKK: Three massive naval exercises with US and NATO kick off!

[Neptune]

I didn't know so meny military vessels were lost to mines

dude It's just weird

I mean you wouldn't think that'd happen with where the active sonar technology has come
If you keep your sonars on you should be able to detect mines and avoid them ...right?

even a WWII V&W destroyer shouldn't be lost to a mine.

It depends on the environment and some other minor things. But if a Navy is focused on beach assault tactics, they have to have a deterrent mine warfare fleet and EOD units.

Sea mine today at 21st century is a rare used weapon, most likely for a defensive purpose in times of conflict/war only.

 

[Carach Angren]

It depends on the environment and some other minor things. But if a Navy is focused on beach assault tactics, they have to have a deterrent mine warfare fleet and EOD units.

Just recently US military in Baltic practice dropping mines for BALTOPS exercise using B-52 for area denial as message against Russia.

The B-52s are participating in an exercise called “Baltops,” which will include 4,500 personnel, 50 ships and 50 combat aircraft. Two of these aircraft will be B-52H Stratofortresses which will fly from the US mainland on June 13th to execute one of the jet’s latent mission sets: laying down large strings of naval mines.

The use of naval mines is largely viewed as an area denial tactic and sends a unique signal to Russia, whose naval bases on the Baltic could be temporarily put out of commission by the deployment of such weaponry. For this exercise, the B-52s’ long-range mine-laying mission is said to simulate rebuffing a marine invasion of Sweden’s southern shores. This is also a uniquely pointed scenario considering Sweden’s frantic phantom submarine hunt that put the country on edge last fall.

Mine hunting still a relevant and necessary skill.

Under alternative options
was found the current solution relying on aerial platforms for replacement - MH-53E / MH-60S -.

Do you know of replacement for MK-105 Minesweeping sled?

LCS mine countermeasures remote multi-mission vehicle to augment, but not replace MK-105.

 

[LegionnairE]

It depends on the environment and some other minor things. But if a Navy is focused on beach assault tactics, they have to have a deterrent mine warfare fleet and EOD units.

Sea mine today at 21st century is a rare used weapon, most likely for a defensive purpose in times of conflict/war only.

Well I get that... If we went to war we could close the straits with mines..
But how many countries have the same luxury?
Greeks could use mines to prevent a naval invasion but they have so many Islands.
There's no way they could mine all of them.

but nobody would blindly sail into a classic mine unless they were trying to sneak in and their active sonars were off

but dude @Carach Angren
That mk60 CAPTOR sounds fvcking cool It'd be pretty hard to detect that

what's funny is... I probably read about these things...
years ago and now I hear them again and get excited
It's like watching a great movie 10 years later

 

[Neptune]

Just recently US military in Baltic practice dropping mines for BALTOPS exercise using B-52 for area denial as message against Russia.

The B-52s are participating in an exercise called “Baltops,” which will include 4,500 personnel, 50 ships and 50 combat aircraft. Two of these aircraft will be B-52H Stratofortresses which will fly from the US mainland on June 13th to execute one of the jet’s latent mission sets: laying down large strings of naval mines.

The use of naval mines is largely viewed as an area denial tactic and sends a unique signal to Russia, whose naval bases on the Baltic could be temporarily put out of commission by the deployment of such weaponry. For this exercise, the B-52s’ long-range mine-laying mission is said to simulate rebuffing a marine invasion of Sweden’s southern shores. This is also a uniquely pointed scenario considering Sweden’s frantic phantom submarine hunt that put the country on edge last fall.

Mine hunting still a relevant and necessary skill.



Do you know of replacement for MK-105 Minesweeping sled?

LCS mine countermeasures remote multi-mission vehicle to augment, but not replace MK-105.

I thought Baltops was over man. But anyways yeah, it is relevant but considering the shipping investment on mine warfare over European navies, I think they have a far different approach than of ours in this area regardless of geographical differences.

As much as it can be A2AD munitions, even a possible peacetime mine laying today on a sea, is probably going to cause a major international crisis. So I doubt it will be on table practically in peace time.

Well I get that... If we went to war we could close the straits with mines..
But how many countries have the same luxury?
Greeks could use mines to prevent a naval invasion but they have so many Islands.
There's no way they could mine all of them.

but nobody would blindly sail into a classic mine unless they were trying to sneak in and their active sonars were off

but dude @Carach Angren
That mk60 CAPTOR sounds fvcking cool It'd be pretty hard to detect that

Yeah, that's why we increased the emphasis on EOD and Diver teams besides the mine fleet. But personally I believe in terms of supporting amphibious operations it is loosing its importance slowly since the concept of expeditionary warfare has changed and it is flexible, air mobility is preferred more even at navies. Examples are, the creation of a new concept at 21st century; LHAs, LHDs..

But on a separate scale, it is still important especially to us.

 

[Taygibay]

Do you know of replacement for MK-105 Minesweeping sled?

Well, the USN is inducting the REMUS 600 * as we write.
US Navy to Deploy Underwater Drones by the End of 2015 | The Diplomat
It's an AUV system from Kongsberg of Norway.
http://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/...0286580/$file/REMUS-600-Specs.pdf?OpenElement
Primarily intended as a SEALS / Marines tool for now, it was the selected outcome of the MCM requirement
after SABRE and DET we're dropped, mostly on funding issues.
So that being small and versatile enough, it should well be ported to many platforms including LCS and CBG.


Considering its low price which as we said is important, now more so in this post-sequestration era, it could
easily become the most ubiquitous anti-mine "weapon" across the 2 services.

I have no infos on newer programs being past "skunk works" stage.

Good evening, Tay.

* That white thing under the bearer unit in your last pic looks just like a test REMUS 100.

 

[Neptune]

USS Kearsarge docked in Turkey.

USS Kearsarge, 26th MEU to Train with Turkey for Egemen 2015

NAPLES, Italy – U.S. amphibious forces are participating in the Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise Egemen 2015, set to begin Oct. 24.

The exercise is designed to enhance operational and tactical-level expeditionary warfare skills while increasing interoperability and strengthening partnerships between United States and Turkish forces.

Continue reading for some quick facts and additional links …


151019-N-AX638-056 MEDITERRANEAN SEA (Oct. 19, 2015) An MV-22 Osprey lands on the flight deck of the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) Oct. 19, 2015. Kearsarge, deployed as part of the Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group, is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Tyler Preston/Released)



Quick Facts:

• A combined Turkish-U.S. staff, led by Turkey, will plan and then execute amphibious operations as part of the exercise.

• The exercise will include tactical level training ashore and a combined amphibious landing, flexing all elements of amphibious warfare.

• U.S. forces include the USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) and elements of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit.

• U.S. 6th Fleet, headquartered in Naples, Italy, conducts the full spectrum of joint and naval operations, often in concert with allied, joint, and interagency partners, in order to advance U.S. national interests and security and stability in Europe and Africa.

From U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet Public Affairs

 

[xenon54 out]

USS Kearsarge docked in Turkey.

USS Kearsarge, 26th MEU to Train with Turkey for Egemen 2015

NAPLES, Italy – U.S. amphibious forces are participating in the Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise Egemen 2015, set to begin Oct. 24.

The exercise is designed to enhance operational and tactical-level expeditionary warfare skills while increasing interoperability and strengthening partnerships between United States and Turkish forces.

Continue reading for some quick facts and additional links …


151019-N-AX638-056 MEDITERRANEAN SEA (Oct. 19, 2015) An MV-22 Osprey lands on the flight deck of the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) Oct. 19, 2015. Kearsarge, deployed as part of the Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group, is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Tyler Preston/Released)



Quick Facts:

• A combined Turkish-U.S. staff, led by Turkey, will plan and then execute amphibious operations as part of the exercise.

• The exercise will include tactical level training ashore and a combined amphibious landing, flexing all elements of amphibious warfare.

• U.S. forces include the USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) and elements of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit.

• U.S. 6th Fleet, headquartered in Naples, Italy, conducts the full spectrum of joint and naval operations, often in concert with allied, joint, and interagency partners, in order to advance U.S. national interests and security and stability in Europe and Africa.

From U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet Public Affairs

Already started to train with LHD's? What a coincidence that US is sending LHD, they want to sell F-35B, damn Turkish Navy is gonna kick some asses in the next decade.

 

[Neptune]

Already started to train with LHD's? What a coincidence that US is sending LHD, they want to sell F-35B, damn Turkish Navy is gonna kick some asses in the next decade.

Yup

LHD-3 has a flight deck lengthy enough for F-35B's minimal takeoff distance.

But at this stage, on practical as well as planning on paper, F-35B purchase is certain as hell..go navy!

 

[LegionnairE]

Yup

LHD-3 has a flight deck lengthy enough for F-35B's minimal takeoff distance.

But at this stage, on practical as well as planning on paper, F-35B purchase is certain as hell..go navy!

it's not just that... the hangar capacity is also very large... I mean there's a shitload of space we couldn't fill that with helicopters only

Still though... now that USMC is upgrading to America class, we should look into procuring a used Wasp. We could add a catapult to that and launch F35Cs. To be honest I have doubts about the STOVL version.

Also RAM and ESSM launchers on-board would be very handy.

 

[Neptune]

it's not just that... the hangar capacity is also very large... I mean there's a shitload of space we couldn't fill that with helicopters only

Still though... now that USMC is upgrading to America class, we should look into procuring a used Wasp. We could add a catapult to that and launch F35Cs. To be honest I have doubts about the STOVL version.

Also RAM and ESSM launchers on-board would be very handy.

That thing is nearly 12k tonnes heavier than future TCG Levent. Acquiring LHDs from US is good for today but these ships will have a longer time to serve than even the CVNs in service. One of the most important reason is the trending shift from CBG type formations to amphibious readiness groupes due to changing threat perceptions, note that there always will be a need for CBGs for greater blue water navies but that's a different matter. The reliance balance will leap towards LHA/LHD/LPDs.


F-35 with all its variants will be a beast. Many people all over the US including congress and mainstream media had made the same accusations to LWF Program. As a result, F-16 Fighting Falcon was born then. It's just pacifist liberals and opposite corporations that made up shitty sakes like "Big Fatty' then put dirt on F-35B.


Catapult is another thing, we wont be in a need of a catobar aircraft carrier for the following 15 years.. Unless you want to put Erdogan on it and send him to liberate Cuban mosque.

 

[LegionnairE]

That thing is nearly 12k tonnes heavier than future TCG Levent. Acquiring LHDs from US is good for today but these ships will have a longer time to serve than even the CVNs in service. One of the most important reason is the trending shift from CBG type formations to amphibious readiness groupes due to changing threat perceptions, note that there always will be a need for CBGs for greater blue water navies but that's a different matter. The reliance balance will leap towards LHA/LHD/LPDs.


F-35 with all its variants will be a beast. Many people all over the US including congress and mainstream media had made the same accusations to LWF Program. As a result, F-16 Fighting Falcon was born then. It's just pacifist liberals and opposite corporations that made up shitty sakes like "Big Fatty' then put dirt on F-35B.


Catapult is another thing, we wont be in a need of a catobar aircraft carrier for the following 15 years.. Unless you want to put Erdogan on it and send him to liberate Cuban mosque.

BAHAHAHAH
Oh I'm not putting dirt on F35 at all.. I think it's by far the best option for Turkey.
My concerns are about the fuel consumption of continuous STOVL operation and incerased maintenance costs.
And I think we can all agree that F35C is really the best version.

I don't know about cuba but incerased presence in Indian ocean and Persian gulf could be nice
dunno... I was always in love with wasp class it's just great

I'm just looking for excuses to procure one

and It shouldn't cost Turkey anything.. They are going to scrap these anyway

nasıl kıyıcaklar sana

 

[Neptune]

USS Kearsarge/26th MEU to Enhance Warfare Skills with Turkey for Egemen 2015
BY DANIELSCHUMACHER
– OCTOBER 25, 2015POSTED IN: EUROPE, NEWS - EUROPE
AEGEAN SEA – U.S. amphibious forces arrived in Turkish waters to participate in the Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise Egemen 2015, Oct. 24.

The exercise is designed to enhance operational and tactical-level expeditionary warfare skills while increasing interoperability and strengthening partnerships between United States and Turkish forces.

151024-N-YL073-144 FOCA, Turkey (Oct. 24, 2015) Capt. David L. Bossert, commanding officer, USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) and Col. Robert Fulford, commanding officer, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, board the Turkish frigate TCG Kemalreis (F 247) at Foca Naval base during Egemen 2015, Oct. 24. Egemen is a Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise designed to increase tactical proficiencies and interoperability among participants. Kearsarge, deployed as part of the Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group, is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Shamira Purifoy/Released)


“We are excited to commence Exercise Egemen 2015 here in Turkey. The Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group with Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, have looked forward to this Turkish led exercise which will allow the U.S. and Turkey both to build joint expeditionary capability and be ready to respond to meet security challenges.”

- Capt. Augustus P. Bennett, Commodore, Amphibious Squadron (PHIBRON) 4

“Turkey is an important ally of the United States. Partners in the NATO alliance for over 60 years, Egemen is a bi-lateral exercise that improves the alliance at the tactical level. The Sailors and Marines of the Turkish and U.S. expeditionary naval task forces will conduct maneuvers at sea en route to an objective area, culminating a combined forces assault to secure landing force objectives ashore. High-end tactical level training of this type reassures forces of both nations that when called upon, NATO can respond.. We are excited to participate in Egemen, and look forward to the personal relationships we develop that will last for years to come.”

- Capt. David Bossert, commanding officer, USS Kearsarge LHD 3

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Commanding Officer, 26MEU Day One Blog: Egemen 2015
BY COREYHENSLEY
– OCTOBER 25, 2015POSTED IN: BLOGS - EUROPE, EUROPE
The following blog is from Col. Robert Fulford, commanding officer, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, speaking on his experience during first day of the Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise Egemen 2015, Oct. 24.

151024-N-YL073-275 FOCA, Turkey (Oct. 24, 2015) From left to right, British Royal Marine Maj. Rob Garside, Col. Robert Fulford, commanding officer, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit and Rear Adm. Aydin Sirin, Turkish amphibious task group commander, share a laugh during a press conference aboard the Turkish frigate TCG Kemalreis (F 247) at Foca Naval base during Egemen 2015, Oct. 24. Egemen is a Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise designed to increase tactical proficiencies and interoperability among participants. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Shamira Purifoy/Released)

As the Marine Corps saying goes, “a perfect plan never survives first contact.” And Mother Nature ensured that the kick off of Exercise EGEMEN 2015 was no exception. Today, we experienced very challenging weather conditions as a storm front settled off shore of the training area. This made movement of aircraft and surface landing craft very difficult. We were fortunate to get the commanders and a few members of the Navy and Marine Corps’ staffs ashore to conduct the pre-sail conference with our hosts.

Capt. Augustus Bennett, commander of Amphibious Squadron 4, Capt. David Bossert, commanding officer of the USS Kearsarge, and I, along with a delegation of Marines and sailors, had the opportunity to break bread with our Turkish counterparts and synch the planning efforts that have been ongoing since the exercise was announced two years ago. The purpose of Exercise EGEMEN is to enhance staff and tactical-level expeditionary skill sets and increase interoperability between the U.S. and Turkish amphibious forces. Our Turkish hosts have been truly gracious and welcoming. Despite the weather, we couldn’t have asked for a better first day.

The presence of the Navy and Marine Corps team operating from the sea is the ultimate example of U.S. commitment. We represent our Nation’s premier crisis response capabilities and our presence and participation in EGEMEN represents our steadfast commitment as NATO allies to the peace and stability of the region.

An amphibious landing is one of the most difficult military operations to undertake. Its chorography requires extensive coordination and communication between leaders, aircraft, and vehicles.

Over the next few days, the U.S. and Turkish Marines will be planning, training hard, enduring tough weather conditions, and working together to build a first-class team. As we close this evening, we have Turkish Navy and Marine forces embarked with us. We look forward to the challenge and are excited to be here and for the opportunity to train with our Turkish partners.

USN Released

151024-N-YL073-310 FOCA, Turkey (Oct. 24, 2015) Various military participants discuss operations at a pre-sail conference at Foca Naval base during Egemen 2015, Oct. 24. Egemen is a Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise designed to increase tactical proficiencies and interoperability among participants. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Shamira Purifoy/Released)

151024-N-YL073-292 FOCA, Turkey (Oct. 24, 2015) A member of the Turkish navy gives a brief at a pre-sail conference at Foca Naval base during Egemen 2015, Oct. 24.

151024-N-YL073-338 FOCA, Turkey (Oct. 24, 2015) Lt. Cmdr. Dean Gayle, center, from West Palm Beach, Florida, speaks with Turkish naval officers at a pre-sail conference at Foca Naval base during Egemen 2015, Oct. 24.

151024-N-YL073-293 FOCA, Turkey (Oct. 24, 2015) Col. Robert Fulford, commanding officer, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, speaks with a Turkish naval officer at a pre-sail conference at Foca Naval base during Egemen 2015, Oct. 24. Egemen is a Turkish-led and hosted amphibious exercise designed to increase tactical proficiencies and interoperability among participants. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Shamira Purifoy/Released)

BAHAHAHAH
Oh I'm not putting dirt on F35 at all.. I think it's by far the best option for Turkey.
My concerns are about the fuel consumption of continuous STOVL operation and incerased maintenance costs.
And I think we can all agree that F35C is really the best version.

I don't know about cuba but incerased presence in Indian ocean and Persian gulf could be nice
dunno... I was always in love with wasp class it's just great

I'm just looking for excuses to procure one

and It shouldn't cost Turkey anything.. They are going to scrap these anyway

nasıl kıyıcaklar sana

Meeh.. I am pretty sure they're gonna fix them all. It's Lockheed Martin and DARPA we're talking about after all . We will maintain such presence. But as I said, US will use Wasp-class until they decide it will become a complete crap, like 20 years later maybe. In fact, due to this changing shift from CVNs to LHAs, many pro-military US media have reported that American shipbuilders should focus on exportable LHD variants that they think will definitely boost up US foreign military sales..which is completely true. Imagine we had an American contender at TCG Levent tender with a descent ToT offer.

@cabatli_53 mate pls can you edit the title, it is now 4 exercises planned that are linked to Trident Juncture 2015.

 

[LegionnairE]

Meeh.. I am pretty sure they're gonna fix them all. It's Lockheed Martin and DARPA we're talking about after all . We will maintain such presence. But as I said, US will use Wasp-class until they decide it will become a complete crap, like 20 years later maybe. In fact, due to this changing shift from CVNs to LHAs, many pro-military US media have reported that American shipbuilders should focus on exportable LHD variants that they think will definitely boost up US foreign military sales..which is completely true. Imagine we had an American contender at TCG Levent tender with a descent ToT offer.

They would win, end of story

Imagine building an America class LHD in Turkey lol

look at her! she's gorgeous

 

[madmusti]

 

[madmusti]