Drill oil in Baluchistan

[Tps43]

PA has a Special Security Division, dedicated to CPEC. 9K PA, 6K Para-mil.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1277182

I'm sure SSD can also be tasked with protection of Critical Infrastructure as well.

@Tps43 @Signalian @DESERT FIGHTER @Irfan Baloch @balixd Gentlemen your comments will also be appreciated.

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Ofcourse iranains should not poke there nose in it as it’s internal matter of Pakistan

 

[ziaulislam]

If Imran Khan had not come to streets for restoration of fake democracy, today Pakistan would be a different state.
We didn't had so much loans to pay as we have today.
Now we can credit all of indebtedness to Imran Khan junky.

facts are different whether you want to agree or disagree but facts are facts

• facts are that CAD was 19 b$ last year and was projected to be 24 b this year/2b a month(= ~ external 19 billion loans/year) and had started with 4 b$ when PMLN came
• fact is the CAD this year is now 12 b$r(=~ taking 12b new loans/year) and is projected to reach at 4b/year(where PML N started 5 years ago) this will still increase the foreign loans from current 95b$ to around 120-130b $
• fact is fiscal deficit(= taking local loans) was 6.6% of GDP and is projected to be less this year despite issues like increase in interest rates and devaluation

all of above is open source knowledge, now we all now there was no madrassa strikes in balakot but can you prove this to indians, you cant same is on above, it facts written in stone publically available yet PML N supporters wont believe it and there is nothing you can do about it

FACT IS PPPP did much Better than PMLN , i have been saying this for 2 years

 

[Tps43]

Do you want to hear the truth ?????? I am sure you already know !!!!!!!!!!!!
I might get ban , this post might get deleted !!!!!! But here is the truth...

Pro Iran(Persian mullah) Shias in Pakistan holding important positions and Pro india(indian agents) holding positions..
Look at why we are not able to make any DAM for water(WHO WAS , IS STOPPING US) , same apply on why we are not able to drill oil and Gas..

LOL even some mods on PDF cant hide their sectarian-ism (no offence but this is the truth)..

@Khafee , @Tps43 , @war&peace , @Jf Thunder , @Imran Khan , @django , @maximuswarrior , @Max , @Horus

They are irrelevant now we will do what we want

 

[maximuswarrior]

there is no way to tell there can be absolutely no oil, infact prospects are low..more oil is likley in indus basin(parts KPK, sindh and off shore karachi

I say the prospects of finding oil and gas in Baluchistan are high because geographically it is located near a country that is an oil producing nation. There is every chance of finding something. It is definitely worth a go and we need to explore with a reliable ally that has the money and expertise to help us out. There is no loss in exploration.

I have never claimed that Pak should neglect parts of KPK, Sindh etc. By all means, survey in every nook and corner of Pakistan. Parts where oil and gas are found need to be utilized ASAP.

 

[niaz]

so the drilling investment depends on the size of the expected reservoir size
NOT on making a neighbor "scream" as the author of the article suggests.
if there is an economic case then go ahead and drill in Balochistan

Drilling is an expensive & risky business and therefore an in-depth geological survey carried out before anything else. Once a high probability of the existence of hydrocarbons is established only then drilling is started. despite all the analysis and diligence, the industry average of finding oil is only about 1 out of 9.

Since the majority of the reservoirs are located far away from the oil-consuming centers, whether the reservoir is exploited depends upon the volume of hydrocarbons in place. Also, the cost of extraction, processing & transportation to the consumer needs to be low enough to be competitive and also provide the oil company with a decent profit otherwise the well be plugged.

The situation, however, changes with the rise in prices. Quite a few of the smaller gas fields ( with less than 0.5 tcf) in Pakistan are in fact redevelopment of the plugged-in reservoirs that were discovered in the late to early '60s because until 1972 international crude oil price was less than $2.00 per bbl. In 1973 it reached $2.70. It was only in 1974 when the oil price crossed $10 per bbl mark. In 1979 when the oil price neared $30.00 per bbl, most of the smaller known reservoirs became profitable and were reworked.

Existing of gas deposits in Baluchistan is well known. However, most foreign companies would not invest in an area with law & order problem unless "risk to reward" ratio makes it worthwhile.

 

[Amaa'n]

PA has a Special Security Division, dedicated to CPEC. 9K PA, 6K Para-mil.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1277182

I'm sure SSD can also be tasked with protection of Critical Infrastructure as well.

@Tps43 @Signalian @DESERT FIGHTER @Irfan Baloch @balixd Gentlemen your comments will also be appreciated.

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Who will issue the order for SSD or SPU to be deputed for Security Detail.....back in the days companies had to pull all lot of strings just to even get Frontier Constbulary Soluders deputed to them for Security escort....IK will have give assurances to stakeholder and foreign operators on security concerns

 

[BATMAN]

Existing of gas deposits in Baluchistan is well known. However, most foreign companies would not invest in an area with law & order problem unless "risk to reward" ratio makes it worthwhile.

and that's the bottom line of Indo-Iranian game in Pakistan and specially in Balochistan.
That's also one reason, why Pakistani politicians demand to divide Punjab but not to Balochistan, which is much larger.

 

[zulu]

Thats the attitude we want

They are irrelevant now we will do what we want

 

[Khafee]

Who will issue the order for SSD or SPU to be deputed for Security Detail.....back in the days companies had to pull all lot of strings just to even get Frontier Constbulary Soluders deputed to them for Security escort....IK will have give assurances to stakeholder and foreign operators on security concerns

In the interest of national interest, either PA or IK, best if it's PA.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

and that's the bottom line of Indo-Iranian game in Pakistan and specially in Balochistan.
That's also one reason, why Pakistani politicians demand to divide Punjab but not to Balochistan, which is much larger.

Balochistan be divided into 4 more provinces
It will make it more manageable

Punjab division i agree as well for political reasons

 

[zulu]

PA better choice esp considering Gawadar port experience (also personal)

In the interest of national interest, either PA or IK, best if it's PA.

Inshaallah aisa hi hoga for first time seeing maturity from FO playing all sides equally not favoring any side.tabhiyat tu sahi hai inki

They are irrelevant now we will do what we want

 

[niaz]

Do you want to hear the truth ?????? I am sure you already know !!!!!!!!!!!!
I might get ban , this post might get deleted !!!!!! But here is the truth...

Pro Iran(Persian mullah) Shias in Pakistan holding important positions and Pro india(indian agents) holding positions..
Look at why we are not able to make any DAM for water(WHO WAS , IS STOPPING US) , same apply on why we are not able to drill oil and Gas..

LOL even some mods on PDF cant hide their sectarian-ism (no offence but this is the truth)..

@Khafee , @Tps43 , @war&peace , @Jf Thunder , @Imran Khan , @django , @maximuswarrior , @Max , @Horus

Hon Sir,

It is easy to blame your ills on other countries and/or their agents. Many of my compatriots are guilty of this error, probably because it is always difficult to accept that often fault lies with oneself and not with the others.

Since I am one of the oldest members (age wise) of the PDF forum and Pakistan being close to my heart, keenly follow all development concerning the security & well-being of my country. Permit me to disagree with your assertion.

I have been hearing about Kalabagh Dam from the late ‘60s. It was said that Tarbela would be silted up in next 70 years but Kalabagh dam, further downstream will be a perpetual dam

Undoubtedly Pakistan suffers from the scarcity of water especially for sowing the ‘Rabi’ crops in late January/early February. Its feasibility had been completed and the World Bank was ready to finance the project. Kalabagh Dam would have been able to store about 6-million acre-feet of water and generate 3,600 MW electricity. It was during the Zia-ul Haq time when this issue was politicized and became controversial with all of the three smaller provinces opposing. The main opponents were the KPK majority Awami National Part and the Sind Nationalists as well the People Party on behalf of Sind.

Do you think that Abdul Wali Khan and GM Syed were stooges of Iran or of India???

The main reason for this opposition was and remains to this day, is the malady of “Provincialism”. Smaller provinces don’t want Kalabagh Dam to be built because the main beneficiary will be Punjab. An article by Dr. Moonis Ahmer published Daily Times of April 14, 2018, clearly explains the situation.

For your convenience, it is copied below. However, should your wish to persist with your sectarian & xenophobic views; you are fully entitled to do so.


Conflict dynamics of Kalabagh Dam

Due to the politicization of the issue, the Kalabagh Dam has been put in cold storage and no serious effort has been made to remove the reservations of smaller provinces about its construction


Dr Moonis Ahmar


JUNE 15, 2018


Briefing the Senate Standing Committee (SSC) on water resources on June 6, Chairman of Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA) Muzammil Hussain offered to give control of the proposed Kalabagh dam to the province of Sindh in order to dispel reservations about the possible depletion of water after the dam’s construction.


Since 1984, when the Kalabagh dam controversy was given an ethnic and provincial colour till today, Pakistan’s water predicament has worsened. It was the Martial Law regime of General Ziaul Haq which first politicised the construction of Kalabagh Dam. According to a recently released International Monetary Fund (IMF) report, Pakistan is the third most water deficient country in the world. The WADPA Chairman rightly said that Pakistan has a water storage capacity of only 30 days, whereas India has water reserves which can meet its requirements for 170 days. Since the completion of Tarbela dam in 1974, no mega dam has been constructed in Pakistan, whereas the population of the country has tripled in the last 44 years.


The feasibility of the Kalabagh dam is not the issue, because the paper work and other important details about water storage and power generation project over river Indus at Kalabagh were prepared a long time ago. Unfortunately, the conflict dynamics of Kalabagh dam primarily rest on lack of consensus among provinces. The provincial assemblies of three out of the four provinces have passed resolutions against the construction of the Kalabagh dam for a variety of reasons. For instance, the assembly of the North Western Frontier Province (now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) rejected Kalabagh dam because it feared that Nowshera would be submerged under water if the dam was constructed. On the other hand, the provincial assembly of Sindh resolved that because of the construction of Kalabagh dam, Sindh as the lower riparian province will be dry because of the non-availability of water. Only Punjab favours the construction of Kalabagh dam, as it expects the easing of electricity shortages and the availability of more water for agriculture. With such strong reservations, it has been rather impossible for any government since 1984 to proceed with the construction of Kalabagh dam as such a step is considered dangerous for the unity and integrity of Pakistan.


Kalabagh dam is our best chance at stopping the wastage of billions of gallons of water during the monsoon season. It will also produce around 4,500 megawatts of cheap electricity


Subscribing to the reservations against the construction of Kalabagh dam without consensus, the WADPA Chairman in his briefing before the SSC on water resources said, “Kalabagh Dam should be built with consensus of all political parties. Reservations of Sindh are justified and the Kalabagh dam should be handed over to the province if it is built.”


On June 9, while taking a suo motu notice of water shortages and the Kalabagh dam issue in the Supreme Court’s Karachi registry, the Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) made it clear that the purpose of the bench is to suggest measures for mitigating the water crisis in Pakistan. He will not take a position on the construction of the dam, but wants more water reservoirs to be built in the country at the earliest. According to the Pakistan Council of Research in water resources, Pakistan reached the water stress line in 1990 and crossed the water scarcity line in 2005 whereas, it has been warned that Pakistan will reach ‘absolute scarcity’ levels by 2025. The CJP also expressed alarm over the dangerous water crisis in Quetta and warned that if adequate measures were not taken, Quetta will be soon be completely dry.


Due to the politicisation of the issue; the Kalabagh Dam has been put in cold storage and no serious effort has been made to remove the reservations of smaller provinces about its construction. In the summer of 1998 following the nuclear tests, the then government of PML-N brought up the Kalabagh issue out of the blue, and called for its construction. This led to the formation of the Pakistan Oppressed Movement Nations (PONAM), which vehemently opposed it.


Three major realities shape the conflict dynamics of Kalabagh dam. First, Pakistan has not built any mega dam since 1974, which threatens our already depleted water resources. With India proceeding with its violations of the Indus Water Treaty by constructing dams over Jhelum and Chenab; and Afghanistan constructing a dam over river Kabul, Pakistan’s water predicament is certainly alarming.



Taking this into account, Kalabagh dam is the most appropriate option to deal with the wastage of millions of acres of water during the monsoon season. It will also produce around 4,500 megawatts of cheap electricity. During the 1960s, when the idea to build a dam on river Indus in the Kalabagh area was conceived, the cost was around $2 billion but now its cost has risen to 12 billion. The Diamar-Basha dam is another option, but cannot match the feasibility of the Kalabagh project. Secondly, the Kalabagh fiasco is a classic case of intra-state water conflict. It has exposed internal contradictions of Pakistan and undermines the country’s national harmony.


One should also try to understand the reality that as long as there are vested interest groups who use ethnicity and so-called nationalistic feelings to further their provincial political goals, there will be no consensus about the Kalabagh Dam. Pervez Musharraf himself has said that he could make no headway in the dam’s construction because of threats of serious backlash from Sindhi nationalists.


Lack of political will and vision, corruption and incompetence are the four major reasons which block progress and development in this country, and it is these very issues which have stopped the Kalabagh project in its tracks. Unless these four issues are addressed, the state of this country will not improve.


The writer is Meritorious Professor of International Relations at the University of Karachi. E. Mail: amoonis@hotmail.com


Published in Daily Times, June 15th 2018.


https://dailytimes.com.pk/253725/conflict-dynamics-of-kalabagh-dam/

 

[BATMAN]

They are irrelevant now we will do what we want

Sorry sir, as much i want your words to be correct, my observation says it's still a far cry.
Whole CPEC... what it is? a road from Multan to Sukkhur... and one from Haripur to Abbottabad and another one from Taxila to DG. Khan.
If i'm missing anything let me know... and all of these are ill planned routes.

While the wax boy is barking on social media against the China National State Engineering, which built the Multan Sukhur section... the best quality road ever in history of the entire region.
Sukhur Hyderabad is canceled by Imran Khan, which was already awarded to same company.

Lahore Multan and Sialkot (not CPEC) routes are complete disaster.

No Sir, bureaucracy hands are full of crap and it's open for all to see.

Just look in pictures below, the red line is actual CPEC road constructed while blue is what could be the most smart and cost effective possibility, using and upgrading existing roads.

Please count the road crossings in the actual route, each interchange coast >20 K.M of actual road cost. Counting design cost as well.

Picture below clearly hints, security institutes need technical people in their team:

Due to the politicization of the issue, the Kalabagh Dam has been put in cold storage and no serious effort has been made to remove the reservations of smaller provinces about its construction

With smaller province, i believe is meant Sindh.
Public of Sindh never asked for any clarifications, neither are they qualified to ask any questions, they are slaves of 2-4 illegitimate waderas, who are aligned with India.
This is where federation needs to play it's role and foremost free the people of Sindh.
Kalabagh dam is a low cost dam and technically less challenging dam, as compare to those in mountains.

 

[niaz]

With smaller province, i believe is meant Sindh.
Public of Sindh never asked for any clarifications, neither are they qualified to ask any questions, they are slaves of 2-4 illegitimate waderas, who are aligned with India.
This is where federation needs to play it's role and foremost free the people of Sindh.
Kalabagh dam is a low cost dam and technically less challenging dam, as compare to those in mountains.

Hon Batman,

Actually, it was all three provinces. KPK ( then NWFP) & Sind were most vocal. Here is a 'No' from Baluchistan

"Balochistan CM rejects Kala Bagh Dam"

https://www.geo.tv/latest/82776-balochistan-cm-rejects-kala-bagh-dam

 

[BATMAN]

Hon Batman,

Actually, it was all three provinces. KPK ( then NWFP) & Sind were most vocal. Here is a 'No' from Baluchistan

"Balochistan CM rejects Kala Bagh Dam"

https://www.geo.tv/latest/82776-balochistan-cm-rejects-kala-bagh-dam

Hon Niaz,
We know, how to become CM of Sindh, Balochistan... they come to power on the gun point.
Where does Bugti voters evaporated, after his death!
KPK is PTI's province in other words the Kings province.
Only enemy is Sindhi waderas, where PM should step in and free the people of Sindh, irrespective of KB dam..
Only technical problem with KB dam is that bureaucracy of Pakistan and few politicians and senators are in Indian pockets.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...ani-Water-Commissioner-Guilty-Of-Treason.html