Dr. Amir Liaqat gets a Pakistani killed!

[Norwegian]

This post once again shows you dont know jack about islam. He wasnt assassinated by the orders of the holy prophet. We waged war against him and told him to accept that he was a liar and a false prophet he didnt and was defeated and killed in battle all of his followers that survived revered and became muslims again by their own will.

So he was killed in a war but we know many other vocal criticizers of prophet Muhammad (SAW) at the time who were murdered by Muslim jihadists for their usage of freedom of speech. Jewish poet Kaab Al Ashraf for example was assassinated directly on prophet's orders by few Sahabas .
Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only way to stop an evil from spreading is to destroy it not leave it alone so it can once again grow. By your logic you should also appose the executions of the taliban

Nonsense. I am in complete favor of destroying Mullaism from Pakistani society which is root of all fundamentalism and extremism. If I was a military dictator for a day, I would have rounded all so-called Maulanas, Ulemas, Maulvis, Muftis and sent them for execution to the gallows!

Even if he didnt claim this all of his believers still follow it.

So you can see through Qadianis heart? Interesting

 

[Zarvan]

Are you an ahmadi? What he said doesn't matter he violated the basic tenants of Islam by pretending to be prophet. In fact being a prophet within the fold of Islam is worst than being outside. Ahmadism is a cult not a religion. They do not deserve the same protection as a minority religion.

Sorry I agree with most but they deserve full protection from state as other non Muslims do.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sorry its opinion of 99 % Muslims all over the world and Qadyanis are not Muslims and they will be never allowed to call themselves Muslims its fully clear.

If "99% of Muslims all over the world" support laws such as the anti-Ahmadi laws in Pakistan, then "99% of the Muslims all over the world" are intolerant, hate-mongering degenerates who openly support discrimination and usurpation of the right of others to practice their faith, assuming the 'opinion poll' you used to make that claim is scientifically valid ...

 

[Not Sure]

He was one of the most remarkable pakistani scientists and gave alot for his country that how i know he was a great man. Do you think i give a shite about what our civil courts! They have no honor. They couldnt give the taliban death sentences, what more is needed to hate them

Then why do you follow their judgment that Ahmediyyas are not Muslim? Before the court capitulated to the extremists in 1974, few in Pakistan had any problem in accepting the Ahmediyya as a fellow Muslim.

The seed was sown then by the same "court that has no honor", followed by Zia's Ordinance XX, and you are right now following that same judgment of a "dishonorable court" so loyally.

Your support to calling Ahmediyya a non-Muslim sect is same as someone born in 2030 saying that "Lahore High Court's decision on defacing Abdus Salam's grave was perfectly fine, and was done as it should have been".

 

[Norwegian]

They may but 99 % Muslims know and consider them non Muslims and soon all Muslim countries will make it law as for India they are not a Muslim state and you say lol to me I laugh on jokers like you

Not 99 percent Muslims but 99 percent Jahil Ulemas whose sole education is from Madrassas

Well that is kufr no PROPHET would come after RASOOL SAW and his claim automatically throws him out of Islam

SO how would Jesus Christ or Jewish Messiah return as a prophet now before Qiyamah?

Are you an ahmadi? What he said doesn't matter he violated the basic tenants of Islam by pretending to be prophet. In fact being a prophet within the fold of Islam is worst than being outside. Ahmadism is a cult not a religion. They do not deserve the same protection as a minority religion.

No, I am more of an agnostic or secular Muslim. If Jesus Christ indeed returns as a prophet someday, no Muslim would ever believe his truth as it would be anti-Islamic, lol

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sorry I agree with most but they deserve full protection from state as other non Muslims do.

'Full protection from and equal treatment from the State" would require the abolition of the current anti-Ahmadi laws - so do you support the abolition of Pakistan's anti-Ahmadi laws?

 

[Norwegian]

Then why do you follow their judgment that Ahmediyyas are not Muslim?

Because they are blind followers of Ulemas, thats why.

The seed was sown by the same "court that has no honor", followed by Zia's Ordinance XX, and you are right now following the same judgment so loyally.

They are following Maulanas, not law. Seriously, what Pakistani law says 'burn or stone mere accused of blasphemy alive' but Mullah-law?

 

[Bossman]

Not 99 percent Muslims but 99 percent Jahil Ulemas whose sole education is from Madrassas


No, I am more of an agnostic or secular Muslim. If Jesus Christ indeed returns as a prophet someday, no Muslim would ever believe his truth as it would be anti-Islamic, lol

Then go suck a white Norwegian $ick and don't waste our time here. As I said in my earlier post I can prove Ahmadis are cult not a religion based on secular logic so don't need your stupid logic. Ahmadi leadership is just another type of Jahil Mullahs who accepted the supremacy and protection of the west.

 

[Norwegian]

Then go suck a white Norwegian $ick and don't waste our time here

I am actually in Pakistan these days and very sad about the state of my country. I watched the program of that ugly beast Liaqat and the very next day, an innocent human being was killed for nothing. Is this what you want?

 

[Wolfhound]

Where I have an issue is with your (and others) support of the anti-Ahmadi laws - laws that prevent Ahmadis from being recognized as Muslims or even being allowed to call themselves Muslims and their places of worship mosques. Pakistan's anti-Ahmadi laws are an infringement upon the religious rights of the Ahmadis and an open declaration of intolerance, double standards and discrimination against them. Regardless of what your personal beliefs are, you should support the abolishment of these laws and allow the Ahmadis to call themselves whatever they want and for the State to recognize Ahmadis as whatever they wish to be recognized as.

Sir if i wanted to be called a man of black skin color even though i am of white skin color would you call me a man of white or black skin color? How can they be called something they're not? As for the persecution they are being done because muslims feeling are being hurt as their religion is being portrayed as something it isnt which can be solved if they state themselves as non muslims

So he was killed in a war but we know many other vocal criticizers of prophet Muhammad (SAW) at the time who were murdered by Muslim jihadists for their usage of freedom of speech. Jewish poet Kaab Al Ashraf for example was assassinated directly on prophet's orders by few Sahabas .
Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you can see through Qadianis heart? Interesting

Dont believe everything you read! Specially on wikipedia! Kaab Al Ashraf was killed because he violated the terms of agreement made by the jews and the muslims, his tribe was also exiled because of this.

No i cant see through their thoughts i dont need to they are saying it them selves.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Amidst the massive support of lawyers that Qadri enjoys, this job would be a bit difficult. From the way I see, the court could get a judge who could fix a date for executing Qadri, and the court could let the media know but only after Qadri is out of this world - just as Indians did in case of Kasab. Such a 'dispensable' judge could easily be found because the judge would know he is going to get a nice retirement home in the UAE or elsewhere safe.

A 'quiet' execution would definitely be preferable at this point in time, though, given the corruption in the law enforcement and prison system, it'll be hard to keep it quiet without the active support of the ownership of the media houses.

But what I wonder is what would be the reaction of the lawyers and other supporters of Qadri. Who knows, Lal Masjid might find a completely new generation of supporters.

I'm sure they'll find some more supporters, but the people with the mindset to support the LM despite the carnage in Peshawar will do so irrespective of Qadri's execution.

The bigger concerns center on a repeal of the anti-Ahmadi and/or Blasphemy laws, given the current noxious socio-cultural atmosphere in Pakistan (coupled with weak civilian institutions) and the TTP/ISIS/AQ recruitment drives. Any such repeal could be a massive propaganda and recruitment windfall for said terrorist groups, with the State incapable of dealing with the aftermath given limited resources and broken institutions.

 

[Wolfhound]

Then why do you follow their judgment that Ahmediyyas are not Muslim? Before the court capitulated to the extremists in 1974, few in Pakistan had any problem in accepting the Ahmediyya as a fellow Muslim.

The seed was sown then by the same "court that has no honor", followed by Zia's Ordinance XX, and you are right now following that same judgment of a "dishonorable court" so loyally.

Your support to calling Ahmediyya a non-Muslim sect is same as someone born in 2030 saying that "Lahore High Court's decision on defacing Abdus Salam's grave was perfectly fine, and was done as it should have been".

We dont follow the courts decision we follow the ummahs decision hence your post is irrelevant

SO how would Jesus Christ or Jewish Messiah return as a prophet now before Qiyamah?

No, I am more of an agnostic or secular Muslim. If Jesus Christ indeed returns as a prophet someday, no Muslim would ever believe his truth as it would be anti-Islamic, lol

I have already told you that he wont return as a prophet but as a messiah who is a member of the holy prophets ummah.

They are following Maulanas, not law. Seriously, what Pakistani law says 'burn or stone mere accused of blasphemy alive' but Mullah-law?

Alot of pakistani muslims are opposing the law

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir if i wanted to be called a man of black skin color even though i am of white skin color would you call me a man of white or black skin color? How can they be called something they're not? As for the persecution they are being done because muslims feeling are being hurt as their religion is being portrayed as something it isnt which can be solved if they state themselves as non muslims

Obama is of mixed race - I believe in the US he could choose either option (White or black). That said, your example is not a valid analogy. An individual's race is not a 'belief' - it cannot be changed though interracial marriages are making identification and classification of race 'complex'.

Unlike race, faith can be changed and interpreted in different ways and is a set of ideas one believes in. For the State to challenge someone's faith and deny them the right to worship as they wish is an infringement on their chosen beliefs. The State CANNOT claim to be protecting the rights of all its citizens and treating them equally if it refuses to recognize the basic beliefs of some of its citizens, in this case the beliefs of Ahmadis that they are 'Muslim'.

 

[Bossman]

I am actually in Pakistan these days and very sad about the state of my country. I watched the program of that ugly beast Liaqat and the very next day, an innocent human being was killed for nothing. Is this wt you want?

The country will survive and the religion will survive. It will come out stronger. Jahil mullahs is not a justification to go against the very fundamental tenants of your beliefs. Ahmadis or their forefathers made a conscious choice or were fooled into going against these beliefs. Nobody is stopping them from coming back into the fold.

 

[Not Sure]

Because they are blind followers of Ulemas, thats why.

This is why I say that the problem has seeped much deeper in the society, and shallow efforts like Rah-e-rast (or whatever it was) and Zarb e Azb will only halt the process for a minute not cure it, like we try to stop the water from a flood. On our side, the water halts for a while, but on the other side, a greater force begins to pile up. And when the dam breaks, it gets much worse than before.