Dr. Amir Liaqat gets a Pakistani killed!

[Porus]

As beardos are gathered jahalat will rule. After watching and listening this kind of highly intellectual discourse you either burst out laughing or kill yourself. Thanks to goddess Baubo I haven't lost my sense of humour yet.

 

[Mav3rick]

And this turd blamed the Ahmedis for the Peshawar massacre!! They're making a joke out of the pogrom. This is plain ridiculous!

This is what happens when a nation state becomes a theocracy. Thanks to Zia who started this all. Whatever happened to the 'modern Pakistan' that the Quaid wanted?

A typical Indian speaks typical nonsense. I am beginning to wish that all Indians be banned on the forum so that we get rid of the 80% garbage and BS that is posted on this forum!

Have you lost your sanity? You most probably have, seeing the nonsensical tripe that you've just spewed from your behind.

Thank God there are sane Pakistanis on this forum to counterbalance the garbage that some of you churn out, in the hope that you'll be noticed for your misplaced patriotism by bashing Indians.

Your post made you look pretty silly. Grow up.

As I had stated earlier, a typical Indian with typical Indian BS!!

Go and take it all out on Modi before you even dream of blaming any of my countrymen, you retard. Do not speak of either Zia or Quaid before you bash the mass murderer Modi!!

 

[Fracker]

You have every right to believe they are not Muslims and not call them Muslims, but you do not have the right to force them to accept your beliefs or impose your views upon them, which is exactly what the anti-Ahmadi laws do. If you agree that the anti-Ahmadi laws should be abolished and that Ahmadis should be recognized by the State as Muslims (which is what Ahmadis want), then our respective positions may be largely in alignment.

BTW, ISIS, the TTP and various other Islamic terrorist/extremist groups use the same argument you did to support their campaigns of child rape and massacres of innocent Shia, Kurds, Yazidis and even other Sunnis, that 'they have the Quran and hadith backing their policies' . Keep your 'personal beliefs backed by the Quran and hadith' to yourself please, and the State needs to do the same and abolish the degenerate anti-Ahmadi and Blasphemy laws and focus only on regulating and punishing people for tangible and material actions.

I mentioned STATE, do ISIS and TTP uses same arguments? really?

There is no imposing of my believe. Sun is star of in center of solar system, Oneness of Allah and Last Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) is the center of Islam. These are facts which you are denying. One can be anything but sensible if he don't believe on theory of Sun. You can be anything, but Muslim if you don;t believe this. Facts not requires re-endorsement or re-enforcement. But fool can make anyone's life hell, include their own. While having different theory then the mass.

Pakistani Constitution is embedded by Islam and Quran, so living in Pakistan you can't have a different thought, which goes against constitutional obligations. Which means, Qadiyanis are not muslims. No Mullah, no Scholar, each and every Pakistani muslims (or other muslims) knows it. It's Qadiyanis which bring this issue again n again.. while challenging writ of the state.

 

[Wolfhound]

Whom I choose to respect and whom I don't, shouldn't be your concern. Just showing you where your "neutral" Ulemas dwell. Certainly not on this planet.

Do not quote me anymore please, and good luck with your country, Mr. mofo.

This proves that you are an intolerant mofo who has no respect for the loss of any kind of life unlike how you portray yourself to be.

as I told another moron that even he don't know the name of current supreme leader of Ahmadiyya community that shows his knowledge regarding the subject he is trying to be a genius.

I am not trying to be a genius! I am solving a problem! Yes a spelled one letter wrong,that is surely the best way for you to doubt anyone's knowledge. Best logic ever!

If ahmediyas are not Muslims, would you object to the gharwapsi to Hinduism of ahmediyas?

Yes, everyone would still object it as the mere concept of ghar wapsi is wrong in many ways.

Ahmadis believe all major religions are originally From Allah. We don't need to put on a show of conversion since we accept that the various religious beliefs in Hinduism came from Allah Ta'ala and that the bhagavad Gita is also a holy book worth respecting and taking inspiration from.

Even without believing that all major religions originally came from Allah , muslims still respect all the other religions and their books regardless that it is a major or minor religion.

@Pakistani ExileIf ahmediyas are not Muslims would you object to the reconversion?

Yes, we would even if they dont accept.
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[Krate M]

@Wolfhound why? If they are not Muslims anyway, what's wrong if they become Hindu? At least their coreligionists won't have a problem, and they would return to the religion of their ancestors, why do you object? What is the point of objection?
What is the problem if non Muslims became Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Christian, are you against freedom of religion?

 

[Wolfhound]

@Wolfhound why? If they are not Muslims anyway, what's wrong if they become Hindu? At least their coreligionists won't have a problem, why do you object? What is the point of objection?

Because it is not right to take any kind of advantage from those people who are socioeconomically broke and helpless simply by promising them money and financial aid if they convert. This type of thing is considered wrong by every level of intelligence in human beings because you are simply exploiting them in their time of need. This is only the buying of more religious follower on a discounted price(actual preaching) who will only believe till they are getting their finances.

 

[Jaanbaz]

@Jaanbaz well the mad mullahs want you dead either way, and to the liberal people your religion doesn't matter, so what say you? Yes or no? Would you object or not?

Bhai. We all ready believe Krishna was a Prophet of Allah. In that sense we are also followers of Krishna. I know Hindus believe him to be God or something like that. For Ahmadis unity of God is the most important aspect so no Ahmadis will not ''convert'' to Hinduism. why do we have to convert to show respect to other religions and their holy figures?

Oh and if any individual Ahmadis wants to become Hindu then go ahead lol. There is no compulsion in religion. One thing for sure if they leave they will not be beheaded or stoned to death for leaving Ahamdiyyat.

It is not as simple as that. Their loyalty to the country is in doubt because they answer to leaders permanently based outside of the country whose views at times are in conflict with that of the state For example Pakistan does not have relations with Israel but the Ahmadi leadership, bowing to their western masters, accepts Israel. In turn, all Ahmadis accept Israel as an entity. Because of this there have been cases of Ahamdis at sensitive posts spying for Israel. The Ahmadis are not as innocent, prosecuted group as you portray them to be. They have attempted to undermine the very fabric of the country's society.

Do you feel any shame while you lie?? Beghairat. If we are supported by Jews then why do we not receive money from Jews? It takes ages for us just to build a mosque because we have to fund everything on our own.

 

[Krate M]

@Wolfhound I am not saying if they are converted, I am saying that if they want to become Hindu. Since you don't believe they are Muslims, if they become Hindus on their own, do you have a problem?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Question: Is this the Pakistan that Muhammad Ali Jinnah worked for and wanted to create?
What must the Quaid be thinking about when he sees this sorry state of affairs..... that he was fortunate enough not to live long enough to see all of these things happening.........first to see his close friend and associate M.Zafarullah Khan humiliated at Jinnah's funeral........ later Dr.Abdus Salam hounded out of his country in life, then denigrated in death...... if they had lived long enough; then they may also have met the same fate as the unfortunate Luqman Ahad Shehzad.

Bro,

I understand your effort to shame Pakistanis by naming Jinnah. But at some point, we gotta move beyond 1947.

Why?

Every time someone commits a crime, do you blame his granpa.

Please learn to blame the culprit and not pile rubbish on the now dead granpa.




Thank you.


happy new year

 

[Jaanbaz]

@Wolfhound I am not saying if they are converted, I am saying that if they want to become Hindu. Since you don't believe they are Muslims, if they become Hindus on their own, do you have a problem?

He has a problem with everything. He even swings around trying to bite his own tail.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Every time you commit a crime, do you blame your granpa.

Please learn to blame the culprit and not pile rubbish on the now dead granpa.


or may be the way you run to Jinnah based on your casteist lifestyle. So one touchable did a crime, hang him, hand all untouchables, and dig out the grave of untouchable forefathers.

This is how you express your extreme hate and prejudice.

Sorry, to say this, but your repetitive attacks on Jinnah are pure hate caste style.

Please move to 2014 AD instead of living with centuries old poisonous world of casteism.

Thank you.

Oye Fauji mian; you seem to have issues with comprehending English......
Read my post again (the one that you quoted) think at what it means....then come back.
No attack or criticism of Jinnah was explicit or implicit in it; only sympathy for what Jinnah's feelings would be on seeing how things have come to pass in his country, from where he commenced. If you still have trouble to understand what I've said, then refer to @Norwegian or somebody; they'll be able to clear your niggling doubts.

And why this persistent obsession with "caste"? Are you unable to shrug off what might have been latent in your hoary heritage? Or is it simply Freudian in nature?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Oye Fauji mian;

Read my post #174 again that was edited before you posted.

I corrected it after reading your post #11"again"

Sometimes we are too quick to post.

Happy new year.

You are the one whose DNA got "improved" dear. My family has been practicing Hinduism for thousands of years, unlike yours, who do not even know what their ancestors believed in before 1400 years ago.

Oh yaar,

Very few families have documentary evidence of such things even for 2-3 generations.

Please do not make such bombastic statements about 1000s of years.

Who knows what was the "true"spiritual journey of your forefathers. Knowing the traditions of our region they may been in and out of many philosophical thoughts.

It also depends if they were Shudras or Brahmins or a caste in between.

I'll stop here in the spirit of happy new year.

hope you get it.

 

[airmarshal]

Is this behaviour acceptable? This is our insecurity. This is not branding someone non-Muslim. The other business we are adept at is branding everyone else unpatriotic.

 

[Fracker]

Is this behaviour acceptable? This is our insecurity. This is not branding someone non-Muslim. The other business we are adept at is branding everyone else unpatriotic.

Branding is a liberal way to keep track of the things. Piracy always create issues, when there is a time to get the rights and royalties.

Lawlessness is unacceptable by all means.

 

[Not Sure]

Oh yaar,

Very few families have documentary evidence of such things even for 2-3 generations.

Please do not make such bombastic statements about 1000s of years.

Who knows what was the "true"spiritual journey of your forefathers. Knowing the traditions of our region they may been in and out of many philosophical thoughts.

It also depends if they were Shudras or Brahmins or a caste in between.

I'll stop here in the spirit of happy new year.

hope you get it.

Oh yaar, when you do not know about certain things, then please do not comment on them - no matter how much they hurt you. Learn to be accepting of others.

Those records of my immediate genealogy on both sides goes that goes mere 10 generations back, and of its other inheritors, are with me - I have memorized it - a must when we enter adulthood. Whenever I want to find my genealogy further back, I can always get it from my purohit in Kashi. All of my ancestors' visitations have been recorded there for thousands of years. Yes - thousands of years - do not be surprised simply because you don't see such things in other cultures. We are already in the process of digitizing it, and one of the families has dedicated itself to the preservation of the records, leaving the job of priesthood and scholarship to other families.

Believe it or not, but many institutions in the US too have begun to digitize similar genealogical records of many other families, although the original records, howsoever tattered, will always be with the purohit of any particular family.

So simply because you do not encounter any people around you who are aware of their lineage, but encounter only those who are at loss of their ancestry, does not mean all others are like that.

My family has been the follower of Shri Bodhayana (author of Sulba-Sutra), and subsequently of Shri Shankaracharya, and of Shri Ramanujacharya. So I am fully aware what Vedantic "philosophy" I am supposed to follow to rid of the debt of a beautiful life and knowledge bestowed upon us by our Acharyas.

But thank you for your doubts, and Happy New Year to you too dear