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Who ever commits blashmey has to be killed HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW himself and many people were killed for blashmey in his life on his orders and also carried out by Sahabas Mr if you are too from that 2 % ashamed Muslims who are always working to please west well I can only pray for you but rules of Islam are clear and will remain as they are If you want to betray ALLAH and His RASOOL SAW your problem


You are missing the damn point, when someone commits blasphemy, death penalty is the last choice. You should first ask him to repent. All of us commit huge sins in our lives and Allah forgives us and he likes the ones who pray for forgiveness no matter how serious their sins are.
 
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You are missing the damn point, when someone commits blasphemy, death penalty is the last choice. You should first ask him to repent. All of us commit huge sins in our lives and Allah forgives us and he likes the ones who pray for forgiveness no matter how serious their sins are.
No Sir when some one commits blashmey Death Sentence is the only choice he can't be allowed to repent and some who say he could be allowed but still agree that he will be killed we don't commit those sins which have punishment of death when will than government has to kill us for example rape or murder of innocent not blashmer or sex with a women after marriage not with wife and insult of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW or Islamic things destroy all the good deeds Sir in short for blashmey death is the only choice
 
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No Sir when some one commits blashmey Death Sentence is the only choice he can't be allowed to repent and some who say he could be allowed but still agree that he will be killed we don't commit those sins which have punishment of death when will than government has to kill us for example rape or murder of innocent not blashmer or sex with a women after marriage not with wife and insult of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW or Islamic things destroy all the good deeds Sir in short for blashmey death is the only choice

This is the first time I hear this, I listen to lectures by Saudi and Egyptian Salafists but they don't talk like this. You are obsessed with killing in the name of Islam. You must learn to post hadithes (Saheh) and Quraan verses to back your claims up, and stop distorting Islam. You didn't post verses nor hadithes before. If you aren't religiously knowledgeable then stop talking.
 
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You are missing the damn point, when someone commits blasphemy, death penalty is the last choice. You should first ask him to repent. All of us commit huge sins in our lives and Allah forgives us and he likes the ones who pray for forgiveness no matter how serious their sins are.
You're hitting your head against a rock. There are couple million in this religious category (Pakistan, of-course). Their origin can be argued upon, however, their existence can not be brushed under the carpet.
 
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I have read the debate in this thread with amazement. How it is that rational people leave their senses when it comes to religion. Even the very respected and honourable people start quoting the Hadith and Quran to prove their point. Any time this happens, to a simple man like it indicates that rationality has been taken leave of.

Most important is the intention or ‘Niyyat’. When we were very young, in the beginning of Ramadan young boys, while fasting, occasionally inadvertently drank water. It happened with one of my friends. We went to the local Imam and asked if the Fast was broken, he replied that if it was truly done inadvertently, it was okay. Just ask Allah for forgiveness, don’t eat or drink anything else and break the fast normally

With the era of the bigot Zia, the spirit of forgiveness and understanding seems to have disappeared. Especially since majority of local Mullahs have limited knowledge of the Quran & Hadith and little knowledge is always a dangerous thing.

Now Qadris of this world are touted as heroes of Islam even though Poor Salman Taseer only said that per his personal investigation, Asia Bibi had not committed Blasphemy and that it was a bad law. Now it is no longer Islam or rule of law but rule of the jungle.

In 1979, Wahhabi militants had taken over the Kaaba, idiotic Pakistani zealots led by a local Imam burned US Embassy chanting ‘Death to America’. This was done on mere rumour without any investigation of the event. Pakistan had to apologize and pay for rebuilding of Embassy.
I was in Kuwait at that time and was made a laughing stock by my Kuwaiti Muslim colleagues. Their comment was that you guys think that you are the only guardians of Islam; you act without thinking, something strictly forbidden in the Hadith! You people are totally ignorant of real Islam.

On the other hand, if anyone deliberately attacks the holy Prophet (PBUH) as happened in the cartoons in Denmark or Salman Rushdie book ‘satanic Verses; Muslims have the right to feel aggrieved and take action. I am therefore not surprized that people who are Islamic scholars have condemned this arrest.

Irony is that in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE etc. Every Friday Khutba by the Mullah has to be cleared by the State, whereas in Pakistan every Tom, Dick or Harry is free to take law in his own hands in the name of Islam. Saudis think nothing of storming the Kaaba or killing hundreds of Iranis during Hajj when chanting against the State, but In Pakistan Lal Masjid thugs are treated as heroes.

I quote blow an excellent article by Ayaz Amir. But who care about opinions of liberals like me and Ayaz Amir when a very large section of population; under influence of illiterate Mullahs and the bigots; have taken leave of rationality and intent on giving a bad name to Islam and making Pakistan laughing stock of the world.


Mindlessness on the march

Ayaz Amir
Friday, August 31, 2012

Islamabad diary

If there was an international shoot-in-the-foot prize Pakistan would win it hands down, our genius for self-inflicted injuries surpassing that of all competitors. We don’t need RAW, Mossad or the CIA to conspire against us. We are self-sufficient in this department, no conspiracy from those quarters coming close to what we can do to ourselves.

As if the blasphemy discourse had not been worked to death already, we have another blasphemy case on our hands, the news of which has spread at the speed of light across the globe, contributing immeasurably once more to the fair name of the Islamic Republic.

Pity the concerned outsider trying hard to understand the Pakistani malaise, that peculiar gift for going over the edge in both thought and action at the slightest provocation. With the Rimsha Masih blasphemy case, however, involving a 13-14 year old Christian girl, chances are he would just give up in despair and pronounce this malady as beyond cure or comprehension.

What is this case about? Groping for an answer I went into the maze of rundown streets which is the old locality of Mehra Jaffer just outside Islamabad where this supposed blasphemy occurred, and there met Amad the complainant in this case. In my mind I had imagined the glittering eye of the fanatic. What I found was a friendly guy slightly confused at the sudden attention he was getting. I asked him his education and he said he had studied up to class five, could read a bit but knew not how to write.

Amad runs a CNG car-fitting shop in the G-11 Market. In a room upstairs I sat with him and a few other car mechanics and put a few questions. Amad said he had spotted Rimsha carrying a few burnt pages in a plastic shopping bag which on closer inspection turned out to be pages from the Nurani Qaida, a helpful primer for mastering the Arabic alphabet, preparatory to reading the Quran...pages not from the Quran then, and spotted by a person who could not read.

Forget for a moment the technicalities of what was burnt, I said. Did he think the girl Rimsha had any quarrel with Islam? No, he said, the others too nodding their heads in agreement. So what was all the fuss about and how was the glory of Islam affected? They all looked pretty blank. Had Rimsha meant to hurt anyone’s sentiments? Again silence. Amad looked a well-meaning person but clearly out of his depth.

Rimsha’s small house, now closed, is on one side, Amad’s house next to it; an open sewer dark with dirty water, on the other side of the lane; across the lane a rising bit of open ground covered with overgrown grass and littered with dirt and refuse and plastic shopping bags. The lights of Islamabad could be a world away.

On two sides of this patch of ground are small one-room houses; beyond it the mosque of Mohallah Bhudial, the name of this locality. I knocked at one or two doors to find out who lived there: migrant day labourers from Toba Tek Singh, Faisalabad and Sargodha. I felt my heart sinking as all around lay ***** and squalor and it was against this sickening backdrop – God show me no mercy if I exaggerate – that the drama of such mighty issues as blasphemy was being enacted.

Young Mehreen Noor said it was she who took the burnt pages to the imam of the mosque. As she saw the quizzical expression on my face she said that when she saw the burnt pages she felt as if her liver (kaleja) was being torn apart. I was stunned. This from a 10-11 year old...and this is the atmosphere in which our young, especially those on the other side of the tracks, are being brought up. And it is for national greatness and redemption that we pray.

The imam held a council of war and Rimsha’s family was told to leave the locality within an hour. The police were also informed. Mercifully, no announcement was made on the mosque loudspeaker but matters took an ugly turn when news of the supposed outrage spread to the nearby bazaar. From most accounts it was Muhammad Amir Kazmi, an Urdu-speaking migrant from Karachi who runs his small Mashallah General Store, who was in the forefront of the agitation. After repeated announcements from the local mosque, a crowd gathered and the road was blocked. The crowd then marched to the Ramna police station where, discretion triumphing over valour, a blasphemy case on Amad’s complaint was registered against Rimsha and she was arrested.

Whether blasphemy of any sort had indeed been committed, whether the girl Rimsha was capable of such a thing as blasphemy, this implying understanding and comprehension, no police officer bothered to find out. No attempt was made to cool hotheads like Qadri. The police took the easy way out by registering the case and caring not a whit for the consequences.

Rimsha’s age, whether she is under-age or not, is being cited as grounds for taking a lenient view of the charge against her. But this is to beat about the bush. At issue should be neither her age nor her being afflicted with Down’s syndrome. The thing to determine is whether the inadvertent burning of a text such as the Nurani primer, whether by a mature person or an immature girl, constitutes by any stretch of the imagination an act of blasphemy.

Aasia Bib in Sheikhupura, the case which led to the murder of Governor Salmaan Taseer, was accused of blasphemy in much the same circumstances as are to be found in this case. She is still languishing in prison and brave will be the high court judge who will bring himself to give her any relief. The half-crazed fakir or malang sprung from police lockup in Bahawalpur by an enraged mob and then set on fire was also accused of burning some pages of holy scripture. Where are we heading, and what is this madness we are reaping? All in the name of religion.

And the sorry part is that incidents such as these usually happen in the poorest of localities. Then they are hijacked by muftis and divines sitting in state on television, and what may have begun from small causes is blown out of all proportions and Pakistan becomes a laughingstock once more around the world.

In front of Kazmi’s store I told a group of people that I received six or seven newspapers every day and that often enough in the Urdu papers there were religious supplements with photos of the Kaaba and the Holy Mosque at Medina. When all that newsprint was thrown away did it mean that my household was showing disrespect to the symbols of the faith? This was not blasphemy, they agreed. So how did Rimsha commit blasphemy? No answer.

If the Islamabad Police abdicated its responsibility and showed no spine on the first day, even now it is shirking its responsibility by passing the buck to the judiciary when it should have the guts to complete its investigation and say clearly whether the act of blasphemy on the part of an under-age girl had occurred or not.

But if the police are behaving in a spineless manner, what about their puissant lordships? At the drop of a hat a nation in thrall to exciting things has seen the generous exercise of suo motu jurisdiction? On a memorable occasion even two wine bottles allegedly discovered from the luggage of the engaging Ms Atiqa Odho were the subject of a suo motu notice. Does Rimsha’s case not merit the same attention? Or does the blackening of Pakistan’s face round the world for something which should not have arisen in the first place count for nothing?

Email: winlust@yahoo.com

Mindlessness on the march - Ayaz Amir
 
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Mate, you just earned all my respect! :tup:

And, I hardly respect ANYONE.

I have read the debate in this thread with amazement. How it is that rational people leave their senses when it comes to religion. Even the very respected and honourable people start quoting the Hadith and Quran to prove their point. Any time this happens, to a simple man like it indicates that rationality has been taken leave of.

Most important is the intention or ‘Niyyat’. When we were very young, in the beginning of Ramadan young boys, while fasting, occasionally inadvertently drank water. It happened with one of my friends. We went to the local Imam and asked if the Fast was broken, he replied that if it was truly done inadvertently, it was okay. Just ask Allah for forgiveness, don’t eat or drink anything else and break the fast normally

With the era of the bigot Zia, the spirit of forgiveness and understanding seems to have disappeared. Especially since majority of local Mullahs have limited knowledge of the Quran & Hadith and little knowledge is always a dangerous thing.

Now Qadris of this world are touted as heroes of Islam even though Poor Salman Taseer only said that per his personal investigation, Asia Bibi had not committed Blasphemy and that it was a bad law. Now it is no longer Islam or rule of law but rule of the jungle.

In 1979, Wahhabi militants had taken over the Kaaba, idiotic Pakistani zealots led a local Imam burned US Embassy chanting ‘Death to America’. This was done on mere rumour without any investigation of the event. Pakistan had to apologize and pay for rebuilding of Embassy.
I was in Kuwait at that time and was made a laughing stock by my Kuwaiti Muslim colleagues. Their comment was that you guys think that you are the only guardians of Islam; you act without thinking, something strictly forbidden in the Hadith! You people are totally ignorant of real Islam.

On the other hand, if anyone deliberately attacks the holy Prophet (PBUH) as happened in the cartoons in Denmark or Salman Rushdie book ‘satanic Verses; Muslims have the right to feel aggrieved and take action. I am therefore not surprized that people who are Islamic scholars have condemned this arrest.

Irony is that in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE etc. Every Friday Khutba by the Mullah has to be cleared by the State, whereas in Pakistan every Tom, Dick or Harry is free to take law in his own hands in the name of Islam. Saudis think nothing of storming the Kaaba or killing hundreds of Iranis during Hajj when chanting against the State, but In Pakistan Lal Masjid thugs are treated as heroes.

I quote blow an excellent article by Ayaz Amir. But who care about opinions of liberals like me and Ayaz Amir when a very large section of population; under influence of illiterate Mullahs and the bigots; have taken leave of rationality and intent on giving a bad name to Islam and making Pakistan laughing stock of the world.
 
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Around 10 people were killed on the orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW for insulting him in Madinah those are all present in books of Hadees and many were killed in the time of 4 Caliphs and this is agreed by all school of thoughts read the books you will find them

A complete Lie.
 
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What the hell?! Would you kill someone for that?! Do you really our prophet (SAW) would have ever killed someone for tearing Quraan? and if yes, bring me the proof. In advance I know this is not Islam. I mean this is really ridiculous, how could Pakistani authorities still detaining an 11 years old girl?!

This is House of Saud Gift to Us how do u like it so far.
 
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Sorry Sir even if you are an Ex officer still Islam is very clear on issues when it comes to blashmey and others stuff these things are not tolerated in Islam in fact their punishment is death which was carried out by Sahabas in the time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW on his orders as well as when they were in government we don't tolerate crap

Its like you are from an alternate reality where what you say actually had any weight. This world and in this time your version of whatever religion you practice is in the dustbin, on its way to being flushed out completely. Something of what the Spanish did when you forced your views upon them. You can not kill people for any reason other than self defense. Period. The world is not scared because you are a military strength, they are scared of you because you are like things that are reproducing insanity at an alarming rate. The best way to actually mean what you say and not take any crap would be to lie down in the middle of the road and let a NATO container run you over, atleast then you would actually die trying to stop something you believe in. How many more cartoons will it take for you to say its time to stop talking and its time for action?
 
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I asked something from Zarvan only to get the usual reply, so i wont ask him again and ask the same question from other people who are pro blasphemy law. Why there is no same punishment for those who commit blasphemy against other religions?
 
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If his kind of muslims could build an electronic answering system, it would sound a lot like that. Unfortunately he is a living thing.. That is the best they can do at the moment.. and they do it big ..
 
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I asked something from Zarvan only to get the usual reply, so i wont ask him again and ask the same question from other people who are pro blasphemy law. Why there is no same punishment for those who commit blasphemy against other religions?
Any brother from ISLAM, please answer Ahmad to his above query.
ZARVANS reply for the same earlier was that any one from ISLAM who commits Blasphemy against other religion need not be given capital punishment, but some punishment will do(but not capital punishment). do you guys agree with him.
 
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Its like you are from an alternate reality where what you say actually had any weight. This world and in this time your version of whatever religion you practice is in the dustbin, on its way to being flushed out completely. Something of what the Spanish did when you forced your views upon them. You can not kill people for any reason other than self defense. Period. The world is not scared because you are a military strength, they are scared of you because you are like things that are reproducing insanity at an alarming rate. The best way to actually mean what you say and not take any crap would be to lie down in the middle of the road and let a NATO container run you over, atleast then you would actually die trying to stop something you believe in. How many more cartoons will it take for you to say its time to stop talking and its time for action?
Sir rules of Islam are very clear and no body can defeat Islam Sir Islam is growing and will keep growing and Sir those who convert know all these things still they convert because they know the evils of their society and that Islam is the only solution for humanity Sir and Islam law is clear that who ever will commit blashmey will be killed

I asked something from Zarvan only to get the usual reply, so i wont ask him again and ask the same question from other people who are pro blasphemy law. Why there is no same punishment for those who commit blasphemy against other religions?
Punishment is not the same because of difference between Islam and Kufr the truth and a lie who ever will commit blashmey of any of the PROPHET SAW or Quran he will be killed and if a Muslim makes fun of other religions he will be punished but not capital punishment
 
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