DPC, Khatm-e-Nabuwwat condemn arrest of blasphemy accused girl: Report

[Zarvan]

Nope, you and zarvan are doing that, worshipping bukhari and co.

We don't worship Bukhari we follow orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and his words were collected by Bukhari but enemies of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW can't understand it because according to Quran they have become deaf and dumb and blind

 

[Uchiha]

They are not worshipping it, but rather defiling it due to their limited understanding..
After all.. a seeker with a limited Field of view will not be able to discern anything of use..
And may go after the flare.. rather than the actual target.. if you get my drift.

They are doing both, when something goes against the Quran it's false
The prophet SAW could explain and give details about the Quran, but what these hadith are doing is introducing completely NEW laws like blasphemy, rather than explaining what's in the Quran
Obviously if anyone reads the Quran very limited offences qualify for capital punishment, and blasphemy isn't one of them. Im not saying people should be allowed to commit blasphemy but what im saying is that capital punishment should be reserved for offenses clearly mentioned in the Quran

 

[Zarvan]

The only people you can kill in public are the ones weaker than you.. Thats what islam is all about according to you. Your kind will be purged by your offspring soon .. that is just the future you are afraid of and these are the reactions of how ignorant people react to a more powerful adversary made of facts. Wasnt your name "ibkay maar" ??

Sir who ever will insult weather so called weak or poor will be killed if some one is week so what we should do allow him to bark anything no Sir it will not happen we will take him or her out weather the person is week or stronger that is order of Islam

They are doing both, when something goes against the Quran it's false
The prophet SAW could explain and give details about the Quran, but what these hadith are doing is introducing completely NEW laws like blasphemy, rather than explaining what's in the Quran
Obviously if anyone reads the Quran very limited offences qualify for capital punishment, and blasphemy isn't one of them. Im not saying people should be allowed to commit blasphemy but what im saying is that capital punishment should be reserved for offenses clearly mentioned in the Quran

HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW can introduce laws and prohibit things and allow things that is why ALLAH has said in the Quran what ever HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW gives you take and it and what every he asks you to leave leave it and also ALLAH has ordered Muslims to follow HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW read Quran first before come and talk Mr

 

[Uchiha]

so you act like hypocrites who followed those orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW which they liked and not those which they didn't liked and by the way according to Quran the hypocrites will be in worst position than kafirs

But they arent his words in the first place
You act like you get direct vahi

If the Quran or prophet SAW orders something, and it's 100% confirmed that he actually said those words then I will follow it

You ignore all my arguements, throw insults, you are incapable of civilized debate. "hurr durr munafik hypocrite kafir u go hell hurr durr" - mulla zarban

 

[Zarvan]

But they arent his words in the first place
You act like you get direct vahi

If the Quran or prophet SAW orders something, and it's 100% confirmed that he actually said those words then I will follow it

You ignore all my arguements, throw insults, you are incapable of civilized debate. "hurr durr munafik hypocrite kafir u go hell hurr durr" - mulla zarban

They are his direct words Sir because it was Kharjis who denied Hadees and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW told they where they will go in hell Sir Hadees is the authority in Islam along with Quran go first read what is Ilm ur Rijal and other thing than come and talk

 

[forcetrip]

that is unfortunately the twisted philosophy being promoted.. which is not Islam.. rather some new religion.
The Quran and Sunnah are tools to be understood and used for good.. or misinterpreted and used for harm..
this and the incident is an example of the latter.

The Blasphemy law is incorrectly implemented.. It should be confined to those who make public statements and incite hatred.
not children.. but then we Pakistanis are generally happier to be baby killers than question a Mufti or Mullah on their sinful interpretation made into a law.



They are not worshipping it, but rather defiling it due to their limited understanding..
After all.. a seeker with a limited Field of view will not be able to discern anything of use..
And may go after the flare.. rather than the actual target.. if you get my drift.

Arguing with him is like the most ridiculous waste of time anyone can do.. what excuses will someone give for not acting like a human being but instead acting over unsubstantiated words they follow with their own cooked up meaning is beyond me... the hell they are talking about is reserved for their kind for all the innocent lives lost.. come try your **** with me sometime and I will show you the wrath of Allah you have reserved for the ones you talk low to. Ibkay maar

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

They are not worshipping it, but rather defiling it due to their limited understanding..
After all.. a seeker with a limited Field of view will not be able to discern anything of use..
And may go after the flare.. rather than the actual target.. if you get my drift.

Who do you mean by "they"? Do you think we would ever adopt such a backward implemention of this law according to the understanding in Pakistan? I rarely hear such an interpretation of Quraan and Hadiths but here and from some Salafists.

 

[Xestan]

Oh yah, then go make yourself a new religion that suits you.

@ Xestan

Allah forgives all sins no matter how blasphemous they are except Shirk. Yet, who are we to reject people who repent the blasphemous sins they committed?!

As I said earlier, this discussion needs a lot of deep knowledge. Anyways, let me quote you a few hadith:

Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655)

Al-Nasaa’i narrated (4071) that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, ‘Shall I kill him?’ He rebuked me and said, ‘That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) .’” (Saheeh al-Nasaa’i, 3795)

Abu Dawood (2683) narrated that Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqaas said: “On the Day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted safety to the people except for four men and two women, and he named them, and Ibn Abi Sarh… As for Ibn Abi Sarh, he hid with ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan, and when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called the people to give their allegiance to him, he brought him to stand before the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, “O Prophet of Allaah, accept the allegiance of ‘Abd-Allaah.” He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him, then he accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then he turned to his companions and said: “Was there not among you any smart man who could have got up and killed this person when he saw me refusing to give him my hand and accept his allegiance?” They said, “We do not know what is in your heart, O Messenger of Allaah. Why did you not gesture to us with your eyes?” He said, “It is not befitting for a Prophet to betray a person with a gesture of his eyes.”

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2334)

Now, I'm just replying you because you have some tolerance and you are judging everything. See, these hadith are a proof of what I said in my earlier post. Now your question about forgiveness, Prophet [S.A.W] did forgive some people who used to blaspheme against Him, but now after He left this world, all the scholars have consensus on this issue that whoever commits blasphemy against the Prophet [S.A.W] or the Holy Qur'an, even if he/she repents, his case rests with Allah, but the punishment in this world will be applied to him. Same is the case with Adultery, even if the person repents, the punishment in this world has to be practiced.

Do you think Pakistan's Islamic scholars were mad when they drafted this law? Same with the Saudis? Why do they have this law?

The blasphemy law is being misused and as Oscar said in his post, I agree with him. There needs to be a proper procedure. But then again, we have a emotional public here in Pakistan who wont tolerate a word against Prophet [S.A.W] without knowing if actually the accused committed blasphemy or not.

NOTE: Anyone who has no knowledge of Hadith should not reply to my post. I wont appreciate a childish response. Thanks.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

@Xestan

I know brother about them, I am talking here about the details, but what if the sinner regretted what he did? The sinner should be asked to regret what he said and repent to Allah, if he didn't then the ruler who is represented by the police are the only authorized to apply this law according to that specific situation. As you see, in the Hadithes you posted, in the first and second ones, the women were asked several times to quit mouthing the Prophet (SAW) before Ali (RD) decided to kill her. In the third one, the man asked Abu Baker for permission to kill him. And that's important to notice.

Therefore, the problem here is with the implementation not with the law itself, people like our brother Zarvan would apply this law himself on someone no matter how much this "someone" asks for forgiveness. I am sorry to say this, I would like Zarvan not talking about such things in public because he gives a bloody image about Islam to people. Anyway, I agree that this issue needs very deep knowledge.

 

[Xestan]

@Xestan

I know brother about them, I am talking here about the details, but what if the sinner regretted what he did? The sinner should be asked to regret what he said and repent to Allah, if he didn't then the ruler who is represented by the police are the only authorized to apply this law according to that specific situation. As you see, in the Hadithes you posted, in the first and second ones, the women were asked several times to quit mouthing the Prophet (SAW) before Ali (RD) decided to kill her. In the third one, the man asked Abu Baker for permission to kill him. And that's important to notice.

Therefore, the problem here is with the implementation not with the law itself, people like our brother Zarvan would apply this law himself on someone no matter how much this "someone" asks for forgiveness. I am sorry to say this, I would like Zarvan not talking about such things in public because he gives a bloody image about Islam to people. Anyway, I agree that this issue needs very deep knowledge.

We can argue about the first part of your post. There are different circumstances for the application of Blasphemy law.

And I agree with you completely, these sensitive laws have to be implemented by the States, I categorically denounce anyone but the state in applying the punishment for Blasphemy. As I mentioned in my earlier post, Pakistan Islamic Ideology Council has presented a draft to the Parliament where they have suggested the same punishment for anyone who's proven to be falsely accusing a innocent of blasphemy. IMO if that's applied, we will have this problem controlled at some extent.

 

[Uchiha]

NOTE: Anyone who has no knowledge of Hadith should not reply to my post. I wont appreciate a childish response. Thanks.

i know youre indirectly referring to me, but dont act like a know it all; because really youre just another sheep with no 'real' knowledge. I was born in a hardcore sunni family, after years and years of extensive unbiased reasearch did I come to see the fallacy you sheep follow

 

[Hyperion]

As I said earlier, this discussion needs a lot of deep knowledge. Anyways, let me quote you a few hadith:

Dear, you should not be allowed to roam free on this forum, let alone the streets of Pakistan!

Is there jail-time in your version of Islam, or should the authorities just execute people like you on the spot, for the betterment of a society?

Note: Please immediately migrate with your loved ones to the spiritual-lands where goats and camels are fluent in scripture, and implement Islam 3.0/0 there!

I bet 95% of forum members here will agree with my view!

 

[Xestan]

i know youre indirectly referring to me, but dont act like a know it all; because really youre just another sheep with no 'real' knowledge. I was born in a hardcore sunni family, after years and years of extensive unbiased reasearch did I come to see the fallacy you sheep follow

Sorry, if I unintentionally hurt your sentiments. I was not referring to you at all. It was a general statement. And btw, post reported for being a personal attack.

Dear, you should not be allowed to roam free on this forum, let alone the streets of Pakistan!

Is there jail-time in your version of Islam, or should the authorities just execute people like you on the spot, for the betterment of a society?

Note: Please immediately migrate with your loved ones to the spiritual-lands where goats and camels are fluent in scripture, and implement Islam 3.0/0 there!

I bet 95% of forum members here will agree with my view!

Your mental state doesn't look fine to me and I think you don't even deserve my response, so .. Post reported!

 

[Hyperion]

Sorry, if I unintentionally hurt your sentiments. I was not referring to you at all. It was a general statement. And btw, post reported for being a personal attack.



Your mental state doesn't look fine to me and I think you don't even deserve my response, so .. Post reported!

Dear Xestan, If I get an infraction for what I wrote, then, if there is any semblance of logic left on this forum, you would have been banned permanently in October of 2009!

 

[Xestan]

Dear Xestan, If I get an infraction for what I wrote, then, if there is any semblance of logic left on this forum, you would have been banned permanently in October of 2009!

Dear Hyperion, you're a very intolerant guy, learn to respect other's point of view. Majority of the people of my country support the law on which I was arguing with a sane member of this forum. I was clarifying him some points and you jumped in from nowhere with a personal attack. If you don't get an infraction for this, my respect for PDF administration will go down to zero.