Down Fall of Ummah

[imran169]

hahahahaha,blind enough or stupid enough?? havent you read the title of thread DOWNFALL?? what does it mean?? that we ourselves are not obeying the basic principles of islam..cause of our downfall...read carefully mr.hero..!

How hard is it to read one Book, UNDERSTAND it and follow it? learn to live by your BOOK among each others first, then think about the ummah. Apne ghar ka hosh nahi chale duniya fateh karne !!!

 

[ranjeet]

hahahahaha,blind enough or stupid enough?? havent you read the title of thread DOWNFALL?? what does it mean?? that we ourselves are not obeying the basic principles of islam..cause of our downfall...read carefully mr.hero..!

And Since when and for how long muslims have not been obeying the basic principles? and what lead them off the righteous path?

 

[imran169]

and what ecaxctly it has to do with you? if you care to read history you will find it out,remember 1914 war?? muslims lost..thats the start of our downfall,and if you go more back then there are also many ups and downs in our history...!

And Since when and for how long muslims have not been obeying the basic principles? and what lead them off the righteous path?

 

[ranjeet]

and what ecaxctly it has to do with you? if you care to read history you will find it out,remember 1914 war?? muslims lost..thats the start of our downfall,and if you go more back then there are also many ups and downs in our history...!

lol all right, so are you trying to re-ignite the eternal flames of righteousness? or just pointing out the faults alone?

 

[Jackdaws]

Anything BUT not Indians.

Hahahaha - whatever makes you justify the existence of Pakistan, eh?

You are being disrespectful.

How so? There is nothing remotely disrespectful about this post.

 

[Jackdaws]

ok so islam has different brands..even if it is then what it has to do with you..you retarded hindu indians never leave any chance of saying stupid things,


tell me one thing..we are muslims,its our problem,why are you poking your nose in a matter you cant understand..?get a life dude,

We retarded Hindus have over 150 million Muslim citizens - if we understood a bit more about Islam - it can only be good. But we would probably understand it better from the Bangladeshis, the Indonesians or the Iranians - this Wahabi Islam prevalent in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is beyond comprehension.

 

[imran169]

excellent in finding always silly excuses..listen i am a muslim and i have no sect..even if my beliefs contradicts with anyother muslim then it is nothing personal,everyone has its own beliefs,and you indians always try to divide already divided muslims by saying wahabi salafi brelvi etc etc,like you said wahabi islam..islam is one and only religion,it has no sects,no branches,understand..and in your case the one you wrote above..what it has to do with you the sect or religion of any other indian muslim?? dont make silly excuses.get a life and try to poke in those matters which has something to do with you..!

We retarded Hindus have over 150 million Muslim citizens - if we understood a bit more about Islam - it can only be good. But we would probably understand it better from the Bangladeshis, the Indonesians or the Iranians - this Wahabi Islam prevalent in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is beyond comprehension.

 

[Zarvan]

have you been watching ASWJ's rally on TV? did you see his followers/ members? what do you suggest we do with them, how can we do it when their Ameer saab has his pawns clinching into their flesh ..... if we want them to use their brain they have to detach themselve from those madrasas....

What is ASWJ ? and we have to make some changes in Madrassas for example they should teach complete two tafseers and all books of hadees and teaching Arabic start from first year and teach tham arabic off class one in 8years they would be able to study and write arabic and take out all old subjects like crap kind of philosophy and logic put more fiqh and Islamic History and Seerat and finally instead of teaching old poetry teach them Iqbal and Rumi and Jami

 

[qamar1990]

If religion was a unifying factor than there wont be political parties representing different groups for eg:

PML Punjab
PPP Sind
Baloch has their own
MQM for urdu speaker
and so on

There would be one or max two main stream parties the election results defines the division ,you are also right in saying that there is only sindh punjab baluchistan and KPK. If religion was a unifying factor than Pakistanis would be split on sectarian lines for eg : sufi barelvis ,shias wahabis , deobandis and 68 others .. so some thing like this will further split the nation. In my opinion the better idea will be to change Pakistan into a republic and separate religion from the nation and state affairs this will help working towards the betterment of people residing in Pakistan.


It wont

i dont see your point.
the soviet invasion of afghanistan is a good example of the ummah in work.

you should keep your opinions to yourself perhaps?
the Ummah isn't a country or a object that exists, its an idea and ideas always exist. the way to prove you wrong is simple. my Egyptian friends, and Indian friends, and Afghani friends are my muslim brothers, they would help me out before any non-muslim simply because I'm muslim, and its vice versa for me as well

 

[Mugwop]

The world is at war today in case you guys have not noticed. Its one side versus another.

One side is highly polarized. The other side has only one thing in common.

Maybe you got your Ummah after all ?

Are you trying to mock me?

 

[Wright]

It all comes down the the nations with the most influence in the muslim world - . The rest simply dont have the reach to influence others. In order for a successful Islamic brother hood, it is priority that Arab pride and nationalism be reduced, then Persian ethnocentrism be reduced, followed by Turkish etc. A very hard task for any secondary islamic nation.

 

[Zarvan]

Pak-Marine it is only Islam which brings unity and love among Muslims they concept of nationalism is the biggest divider when you take out Islam you would have chaos and war and nothing else

 

[pak-marine]

i dont see your point.
the soviet invasion of afghanistan is a good example of the ummah in work.

you should keep your opinions to yourself perhaps?
the Ummah isn't a country or a object that exists, its an idea and ideas always exist. the way to prove you wrong is simple. my Egyptian friends, and Indian friends, and Afghani friends are my muslim brothers, they would help me out before any non-muslim simply because I'm muslim, and its vice versa for me as well

yeah right soviet war was umahs work .. the weapons and the billions were poured by americans and british to the ummah .. ! it was all interests , nothing to do with ummat

Whilst sitting in the west its quiet nice to lecture us on ummat e muslima however the realit

As for keeping the opinion to my self its a forum the vary idea is to share thoughts and have a chance to talk to people globally from all walks of life and with all due respect you are no body to give orders here , dont like the comments press ignore.

Its nice to sit comfi in the west whilst enjoying all the freedom and give lectures to fellow Pakistanis but the ground reality is very different , Pakistanis thank fully do not mix religion with politics

 

[Wright]

I think if you ranked muslim nations by degree of nationalism, Arab ones would come up on top. Until this changes, there is no hope for any real degree of unity as there was in past Islamic history.

 

[Bilal.]

Chin O arab hamara hindustaN hamara
Muslim haiN hum watan sara jahaN hamara
Tauheed* ki amanat sin O main hai hamare
AasaN nahi mitana nam O nishaN hamara
DuniyaN k but kadoN mai phahla wo ghar khuda ka
Hum is k pasbaN haiN wo pasbaN hamara
TighoN k sayee main hum pal kar* jawaN huyeN haiN
Khanjer helal ka hai koumi nishaN hamara
Magrib main diwarooN main gunji azaN hamari
Thamta na tha kisi se sil E rawaN hamara
Batil se dabne wale ai aasmaN nahiN hum
Saw bar kar chuka hai tu imtehaN hamara
Ai gulistan E* undulus woh din hai yad tujh ko
Tha teri daliyoN main jab aashyaN hamara
Ai mauj E dajla ; tu bhi pahchanti hai hum ko
Ab tak tere darya main afsaNa khah hamara
Ai arz E pak ;teri hurmat pe kat mareN hum
Hai khuN teri ragooN main ab tak rawaN hamara
Salar E karwaN hai MIR_E HEJAZ apna
Is nam se hai baqui aaram E jaN hamara
Iqbal ka tarana bang E dara hai goya
Hota hai jada paimaN phir karwaN hamara

Iqbal the great poet/philosopher of the Ummah