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Donald Trump slams Pakistan for lies and deceit

Thanks for the correction.

We don't need those either.

Chinese helicopters can make a good alternative.

F-16 are not coming , I wish they would but they are not ..

If AH-Z1 deal is cancelled , and If US returned the money than we can instantly buy 20+ T-129's .
Chinese Z-10 did not perform well , it went back to China ( 3 units ) and now China will work on them with the experiences PA pilots shared with them . Lets hope that US don't offer us Wheat this time instead of Money ( if we already paid them ) .
 
#Trump Making #China Great Again. As Donald Trump surrenders #America’s global commitments, Xi Jinping is learning to pick up the pieces.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/08/making-china-great-again

When the Chinese action movie “Wolf Warrior II” arrived in theatres, in July, it looked like a standard shoot-’em-up, with a lonesome hero and frequent explosions. Within two weeks, however, “Wolf Warrior II” had become the highest-grossing Chinese movie of all time. Some crowds gave it standing ovations; others sang the national anthem. In October, China selected it as its official entry in the foreign-language category of the Academy Awards.
The hero, Leng Feng, played by the action star Wu Jing (who also directed the film), is a veteran of the “wolf warriors,” special forces of the People’s Liberation Army. In retirement, he works as a guard in a fictional African country, on the frontier of China’s ventures abroad. A rebel army, backed by Western mercenaries, attempts to seize power, and the country is engulfed in civil war. Leng shepherds civilians to the gates of the Chinese Embassy, where the Ambassador wades into the battle and declares, “Stand down! We are Chinese! China and Africa are friends.” The rebels hold their fire, and survivors are spirited to safety aboard a Chinese battleship.
Leng rescues an American doctor, who tells him that the Marines will come to their aid. “But where are they now?” he asks her. She calls the American consulate and gets a recorded message: “Unfortunately, we are closed.” In the final battle, a villain, played by the American actor Frank Grillo, tells Leng, “People like you will always be inferior to people like me. Get used to it.” Leng beats the villain to death and replies, “That was fucking history.” The film closes with the image of a Chinese passport and the words “Don’t give up if you run into danger abroad. Please remember, a strong motherland will always have your back!”
When I moved to Beijing, in 2005, little of that story would have made sense to a Chinese audience. With doses of invention and schmalz, the movie draws on recent events. In 2015, China’s Navy conducted its first international evacuation, rescuing civilians from fighting in Yemen; last year, China opened its first overseas military base, in Djibouti. There has been a deeper development as well. For decades, Chinese nationalism revolved around victimhood: the bitter legacy of invasion and imperialism, and the memory of a China so weak that, at the end of the nineteenth century, the philosopher Liang Qichao called his country “the sick man of Asia.” “Wolf Warrior II” captures a new, muscular iteration of China’s self-narrative, much as Rambo’s heroics expressed the swagger of the Reagan era.

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Late one afternoon in November, I went to see a professor in Beijing who has studied the U.S. for a long time. America’s recent political turmoil has disoriented him. “I’m struggling with this a lot,” he said, and poured me a cup of tea. “I love the United States. I used to think that the multiculturalism of the U.S. might work here. But, if it doesn’t work there, then it won’t work here.” In his view, the original American bond is dissolving. “In the past, you kept together because of common values that you call freedom,” he said. Emerging in its place is a cynical, zero-sum politics, a return to blood and soil, which privileges interests above inspiration.
In that sense, he observed, the biggest surprise in the relationship between China and the United States is their similarity. In both countries, people who are infuriated by profound gaps in wealth and opportunity have pinned their hopes on nationalist, nostalgic leaders, who encourage them to visualize threats from the outside world. “China, Russia, and the U.S. are moving in the same direction,” he said. “They’re all trying to be great again.” ♦
 
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Who wanna bet America going to block Viper deal in next 48 hours ?
it was never happening in the first place
Abu Daowd, Mir Jafer and Mir Sadiqs of current times advised America to cancel this deal long ago saying that Pakistan will sue them against India, one such guy is Hussain Haqqani who was our Ambassador to US but was a proud American tout.
 
Trump is frustrated.............Ivanka didn't give it to him on Christmas night.


http://www.riazhaq.com/2018/01/trumps-godfather-doctrine-new-years.html

President Donald Trump began year 2018 with his very first tweet insulting and threatening Pakistan. Is this a continuing manifestation of what American foreign policy experts John Hulsman and Wes Mitchell call "The Godfather Doctrine"? Is Trump prepared to reject the US-created post World War II international institutional framework? Is he ready to abandon diplomatic route and act unilaterally against a whole range of nations, including Pakistan, refusing to kowtow? Does he think threats and intimidation will work with other nations? Is Trump willing to make a transactional arrangement with Pakistan? Let's examine possible answers to these questions.



Post World War II International Order:

After winning the second world war, the United States led the creation of a new rules-based architecture that heavily favored the United States above all other nations. International institutions such as the United Nations (UN) and its various agencies, International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, World Trade Organization (WTO) and others to exercise power.

President Trump and his friends like Steve Bannon appear to be rejecting the value of this international framework created and sustained by his predecessors. Their preference is for transactional rather than strategic relationships with long-time US allies such as the Western Europeans and the Pakistanis.

Trump's Bilateral/Transactional Model:

Trump, a real estate developer, sees other nations like he saw his business partners, financiers and customers. Each deal is a transaction that must stand on its own. There's no such thing as "long term" or "strategic". Trump is willing to use intimidation and threats to try to get his way just as the Godfather movie character "Vito Corleone" tried. But he is rejecting renewing and using US-built international framework to deal with issues diplomatically.

Parallels with Vito Corleone:

As a superpower in relative decline like the Godfather in the movie, the United States faces a situation similar to the one Vito Corleone's sons Michael and Sonny and adopted son Tom Hagen, the consiglieri, faced right after the unexpected attack on the feared but aging Vito Corleone at the peak of his power that he built by an institutional framework that rewarded policemen, politicians, judges and competing crime bosses in New York City.

The elaborate international alliances and institutions that US has built over 60 years ago, such as UN Security Council, NATO, World Bank, OECD, WTO, IMF, IAEA etc, through which America exercises tremendous power and control, are being weakened by Donald Trump, and my guess is that these alliances and institutions will not survive as they are today. There will be a major realignment of nations, as the powerful new players, particularly China and Russia and other emerging powers such as India and Pakistan, demand greater say in world affairs.

US-Pakistan Transactional Relationship:

How can US and Pakistan negotiate an end to the current impasse if the Trump administration decides to cut whatever little aid Pakistan receives from the United States? Pakistan could demand significant fees for the use of Pakistani territory by the United States to supply its troops. If the US refuses, Pakistan could simply cut off the NATO supply route as it did back in 2011 after the Salala incident.

Summary:

Trump appears to be opting for the "Godfather Doctrine" to make offers that he mistakenly believes no one can refuse. He rejects the the renewal or use of the US-sponsored international institutional framework. Given the transactional nature of the relationships the Trump administration seeks, what would a transaction look like between President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi? It could be in the form of Pakistan continuing to allow the use of its airspace and land routes to supply US troops in Afghanistan for substantial fees that could add up to more than the US aid to Pakistan today. If the US balks at it, Pakistan could simply cut off US supply routes as it did back in 2011 after the Salala incident.

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http://www.riazhaq.com/2018/01/trumps-godfather-doctrine-new-years.html
 
Let them be staying here. Even consider it's not Afghanistan in the neighborhood, it's the US. What would have been your behavior and code of conduct? Proper border management and principled diplomatic relations. That is the way to go now too. Let anyone e.g. India have a role in Afghanistan. Our action is same as defined.
it doesnt matter what we should think or consider. The matter is that USA knows that it is not her neighborhood where things can worse for them. whatever they do is just to achieve their goal.

Do you really think that 9/11 accident is worth for 16 year war and 1 trillion dollar?
 
Twitter Tears Apart India’s Ruling Party for Owning Trump’s Pakistan Jibe
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While US President Donald Trump's tweet tearing into Pakistan for "harboring terror" was still to be responded by Pakistan, India's ruling party BJP lapped up the opportunity to earn points for PM Narendra Modi. What unfolded was a bunch of jokes and rebukes from online respondents.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — In a scathing attack, President Donald Trump on Monday accused Pakistan of giving nothing to the US but "lies and deceit" in return for $ 33 billion in aid. He also said in his first tweet of the year that Islamabad has provided "safe haven" to terrorists — a position India has always been conveying to the international community in almost all the available diplomatic forums.

"The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools," Trump said in his now well-known tweet.

India's ruling party BJP was quick to describe it as a victory of the foreign policy pursued by the Modi-led Indian government even before Pakistan responded later in the evening saying that it was ready to make public all the accounts of the aid given to it by the US.

Meanwhile, the social media platforms were beaming with wisecrack responses to the BJP's over enthusiastic reaction to Trump's tweet.

One Twitter user went to the extent of complaining to the US President that the Indian Prime Minister was spreading rumors in his name. The tweet even tagged Donald Trump.

Some users suggested that such a celebration of the US president's tweet was not needed as it could backfire for India.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201801021060476547-twitter-rips-apart-bjp/

Invective and Mistrust': Pakistan's Leaders Respond to Trump's Tweet
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In his first message directed at a foreign nation in the new year, US President Donald Trump took to Twitter to accuse Pakistan of lies and deceit, however, Pakistani authorities have said that the US should hold its own people accountable for its failures in Afghanistan instead of blaming Pakistan.

Donald Trump has had a turbulent relationship with Pakistan for years. Right after becoming the US president he spoke to the then Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif calling him a “terrific guy” who was doing an “amazing job.”.

"Please convey to the Pakistani people that they are amazing and all Pakistanis I have known are exceptional people," Trump further added, according to a readout released by the Pakistan government.



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US Calls on Pakistan to Re-Arrest Terrorist Leader Hafiz Saeed - State Dept.
Back then Pakistan’s Finance Minister Ishaq Dar said that the Pakistan government looked forward to working with the new US administration. He spoke to US ambassador David Hale and the two sides discussed matters of bilateral interests, particularly trade and economic relations.


That stance changed some six months later when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Washington in June. After that trip both India and the US pointed fingers at Pakistan saying that the latter is not doing enough to combat terrorism.

In August Trump revealed his new South Asia strategy further blaming Pakistan for “giving safe haven to agents of chaos, violence, and terror.”

"We can no longer be silent about Pakistan's safe havens for terrorist organizations, the Taliban, and other groups that pose a threat to the region and beyond. Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with our effort in Afghanistan. It has much to lose by continuing to harbor criminals and terrorists," First Post reported Trump as saying.



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These comments were, as was expected, met with a stern reaction from Pakistan. It suspended bilateral talks and visits with the United States.


According to the Pakistani newspaper The Nation, the country’s Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif informed a Senate committee that the government had to take such a decision as a protest against Trump's comments against the country.

But the situation kept escalating and on New Year's Day, Trump took to Twitter to lash out at Pakistan once again saying, "The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than $33 billion in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies and deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more."

Washington backed up Trump’s words and suspended $225 million in military aid to Pakistan, according to the First Post.

Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif responded to Trump's tweet in a stern manner saying, “The United States should hold its own people accountable for its failures in Afghanistan.”



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Pakistan Will Shoot Down Drones In Its Airspace, Even US Ones - Air Force Chief
“We have already said 'no more' to America, so Trump's 'no more' has no importance. We are ready to give all account for every single penny to America in public,” Asif was quoted as saying by Geo TV.


He further said that the US is frustrated over its defeat in Afghanistan and it should perhaps take the path of dialogue instead of using military might.

The Minister of Defense, Khurram Dastagir, also expressed his opinion saying that Pakistan had extended unprecedented cooperation to the US in defeating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan besides fighting the war against terrorism.

He said that it is the terrorists from Afghanistan who have repeatedly targeted Pakistani armed forces and civilians. Khurram Dastagir made it clear to the US president that Afghanistan's war would not be fought from the soil of Pakistan, Dawn news reported.



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Pakistan Urges Kabul to Intensify Crackdown on Cross-Border Terrorism - Defense Minister
In a separate tweet Dastagir said: “Pak as anti-terror ally has given free to US: land & air communication, military bases & intel cooperation that decimated Al-Qaeda over last 16 yrs, but they have given us nothing but invective & mistrust. They overlook cross-border safe havens of terrorists who murder Pakistanis.”


Talking about the military aid claims made by the US president, Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif said, “The claim by Trump regarding the funds, if we account for it, they include reimbursements too for the services rendered by Pakistan.”

He said that Pakistan’s land, roads, rail and, other different kinds of services were used for which the country was reimbursed.

“A proper audit took place for the reimbursements,” the foreign minister said.

If the US carried out further drone strikes in Pakistan’s settled areas, the minister warned that, “The country will defend its sovereignty.”

Pakistani analyst Zahid Hussain said that Trump’s statements come as no surprise. "We have been seeing for a while that Trump's attitude is getting stricter, so this statement is no surprise. Pakistan has other options,” Hussain was reported by Dawn news as saying.

The analyst further said that Pakistan can sustain itself without US aid just as it had done before, during the 1990s, when it faced all sorts of sanctions from the US.

Hussain stressed that the US needs to have a better policy on Afghanistan and should focus on what to do in that country instead of blaming Pakistan.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201801021060478414-pakistan-leaders-respond-to-trump/
 
That stupid claim of Trump only make China and Pakistan get even closer. Maybe it's time to form alliance.

One of the reasons why Trump responded the way he did is because of China Pakistan relations i.e. CPEC.
 
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One of the reasons why Trump responded is because of China Pakistan relations i.e. CPEC.

Your spot on, I was just about to say the same thing, CPEC seems to be a pain in the backside for the Americans and Indiots, America is slowly fading as a superpower and CPEC takes that leverage away from the Americans they have over Pakistan.
 
Your spot on, I was just about to say the same thing, CPEC seems to be a pain in the backside for the Americans and Indiots, America is slowly fading as a superpower and CPEC takes that leverage away from the Americans they have over Pakistan.

The Americans haven't hidden their extreme displeasure regarding CPEC and Pak China relation in general. It is a tremendous challenge i.e. hurdle for Trumpland. China offers a strong alternative for Pakistan. The Americans have made no to secret about their desire to bully Pakistan into submission. Basically, the carrot and stick approach. China has poured cold water over US malicious desires. China's massive multi-billion investment in Pakistan displays their seriousness and desire for a win win relationship. That, however, will be achived at the expense of US treachery. Something the US knows all too well.
 

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