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Does the West Have A “Genetic Interest” In Supporting China’s Uyghurs?

Most Uighurs don't want to separate from China and pretty much enjoy the comfortable life none of their older generations had ever dreamed of. and those few radicals who do seek independence and their "eastern turkistan" fantasy should stop daydreaming, this fantasy can never come true and they better scrap that idea.
 
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There are several parameter that I use to show increasing religiosity on Indonesian people

1. The percentage of Women who wear hijab is rapidly increasing. The random photo below shows military soldiers with their wife. And you can see that majority of Indonesian soldier wife wear hijab now (2019). This is only an example on one particular segment on Indonesian society.

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2. Praying commitment (you can see more detail on pew research (2012 data) and from what I see is that in the last 5 years the number of white collar worker who pray in the mosque are increasing rapidly. They actually can pray at their office building where they work but the number who choose to go down and walk to the mosque to pray are increasing so that you can see a mosque is full for Dhuhur and Ashar prayer. Shubuh prayer is also full particularly in high density neighborhood where lower middle class people live.

https://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-2-religious-commitment/


3. Politics. Islam as issue in election getting bigger in term of its important.

After reformation (1998) Indonesian Islamist (PKS, PAN, PPP) always make a coalition with a center right Nationalist party (Golkar, Demokrat) to fight center left Nationalist party (PDI-P) who make a coalition with traditional Islam party (PKB) and other center Nationalist party (Gerindra). We have several presidential election since 2004 and Islamist and center right Nationalist party always won until 2009 election. Islam becomes the issue but still in moderate way as candidate charisma and program is the main reason who make people chose side at that time.

And starting from 2014 election the condition changes as center left Nationalist party (PDIP) has popular and charismatic leader which is Jokowi. Islamist and center right party lost but with a very narrow margin (1-2 percent). The issue of Islam was used more and polarization between conservative Islam vs Nationalist is getting bigger. Jokowi also pick Yusuf Kalla, a prominent Muslim leader to be his VP to improve its image among conservative Muslim.

In 2019 election, Golkar change side and support Jokowi (center left). Islam is wildly used on the campaign and each side try to show that they are supporting Muslim agenda. Both side use polling company so that the reason of why Islam become so important in their campaign look like coming from scientific survey. Islamist support Prabowo and center left Nationalist and Islam traditional party (PKB) support Jokowi. Jokowi pick an Islamist leader, Ma'ruf Amin, who is the chairmant of Indonesia Ulema Council (MUI) to show he is supporting Muslim agenda. Jokowi also show that he is a pious Muslim by showing he pray at home, become imam in a mosque, made a TV adds which show he is doing shalawat, do Umrah after campaign is over.

Jokowi Umrah just several days before election


Jokowi TV adds campaign


On the other side Prabowo (supported by Islamist) made a final campaign in Jakarta and this is the first time in Indonesian history where a political campaign is started with Tahajjud prayer and Fajr prayer in the largest stadium in Indonesia. The campaign is started in the morning but the supporters have already came at night.

Tahajjud prayer before campaigning in the morning.


Fajr prayer before campaigning in the morning


Campaign in the morning


The Islamist is lost due to Jokowi program who is more rational and as incumbent Jokowi is actually successful with his massive infrastructure project during his first term. Even me who can be called as Islamist voted for Jokowi two times, it is because I see economic as something more important to pursue for Indonesia until 2024. Prabowo (and the Islamist) on the other hand use popular policy like low oil price, increase civil servant salary significantly, low electricity price, defense budget increase etc that can burden our economy and not good for long term development of the country. Despite this, they still have loyal voters from some province who are the follower of Islam Modernist (which are close with Wahhabi teaching).

Religiosity is increasing I think due to television channels which have regular Islamic da'wah program and many people spreading Islam da'wah through facebook and particularly Whatsapp. There are also many da'wah Youtube channels. For your information, Islam was suppressed during Soeharto time and liberated after we embrace democracy (1998). Islamization on education is also happening after 1998 and I am quite surprised that Today even kindergarten kids are already introduced with hijab. During my school time female student are never introduced with hijab even until high school.

Very interesting take.
Now What do you envision/need/Hope/fear etc... For 2024 and post 2024?
 
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Very interesting take.
Now What do you envision/need/Hope/fear etc... For 2024 and post 2024?

There is a a political surprise now where Prabowo joins Jokowi government and become defense minister. I project the polarization between Islamist and center left Nationalist will be reduced due to that recent development until 2024. This government will be strong politically and I hope they can ultimately find ways to tackle our trade deficit and make Indonesia economy and currency much stronger before Jokowi end his second term in 2024. Stronger currency is also vital for our defense development as many defense equipment acquisition still needs USD.

I project stronger Islamist political power in 2024 election and beyond and there is big opportunity for Islamist candidate to come up and become Indonesia next President. But they need to have a good and reasonable program and support from center right Nationalist parties.

If Indonesia has Islamist President it will make Muslim issue get bigger attention on Indonesia foreign policy. And if Indonesia current government is successful to deliver their economic and defense program until 2024, the weight of Indonesia in international politics inshaAllah will be greater and I hope with such capital, Indonesia will be able to solve our biggest problem in the Muslim world which is disunity among Muslim nations.
 
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There’s an old stereotype that “all Chinese people look the same.” However, what people really mean is that Han Chinese people, who make up 91% of the population of the People’s Republic of China, look the same. There are also 55 officially-recognized ethnic minorities in China. And then there are ethnic minorities whom the Chinese government refuses to recognize. This is usually because they are Turkic peoples who are genetically very different from the Han and don’t like being ruled by them. One of these unrecognized ethnic minorities: 11.3 million-strong Muslim “Uyghur.” They have effectively been in rebellion against Han occupation for centuries. And, genetically, they are, to a great extent, white. (Right, via Wikipedia, a Uyghur girl in Turpan, Xinjiang, China.)

Why are the Uyghurs in the news so much? Why is our government trying to pressure the Chinese to stop abusing Uyghur “human rights”? [Top US diplomat keeps up pressure on China over Muslim Uighurs, Aljazeera, October 10, 2019, ]. How did the Uyghur become such an irritant to the Beijing regime?


The Uyghur, known until the 1930s simply as the Turki, have repeatedly risen up against their East Asian Han overlords, inevitable because they are genetically and culturally very different from the Han. It has been demonstrated that the more genetically different two ethnic groups are, the more likely they are fight against each other [see Ethnic Conflicts, by Tatu Vanhanen]. Essentially, there has been continuous unrest in the Northwest province of Xinjiang, where the China’s Uyghur mainly live, since 1931. This province, once overwhelmingly Uyghur, is now only 45% Uyghur—and 40% Han. Its capital city, Urumqi, is now 75% Han and only 12.8% Uyghur.

These massive demographic changes reflect a deliberate Han government policy of overwhelming Xinjiang, and especially its capital, with Han immigrants so that the Uyghur will completely lose control of their territory, be absorbed into Han culture, and stop being a quasi-white thorn in the Han regime’s side.

In contrast, intense restrictions are not imposed on the Muslim “Hui,” as the Hui are not in rebellion and are genetically closely related to the Han [Genetic substructure and forensic characteristics of Chinese Hui populations using 157 Y-SNPs and 27 Y-STRs, By Mingkung Xie et al., FSI Genetics, 2019]) so the Han are prepared to tolerate them.

But, unlike the Hui, Uyghur cannot set up schools to educate their children in Islam. If they work for the state, they are not given facilities to fast during Ramadan. Uyghur must l ive in gated communities with police check points. QR codes (computer-readable barcodes) must be attached to the doors of their dwellings so that the police can easily check who is authorised to be there [The race card, The Economist, September 3, 2016].

The current unrest began in 2009 with the “Shaoguan Incident” in southeast China. Uyghur migrant workers in a toy factory were accused of sexually assaulting a Han woman. This triggered a riot by Han Chinese, with at least two Uyghur men killed and about 118 injured.

In turn, his set off a riot in Urumqi, involving at least 1000 furious Uyghur. Officially, 197 people were killed, almost all of them Han. The Beijing government clamped down on the province with renewed ferocity, including an immediate media blackout and the militarization of the entire region. Over 1000 people were arrested and by February 2010, at least 26 people had been executed. According to the Chinese government, 476 Han in the province were stabbed with hypodermic needles by Uyghur terrorists.

Ever since, the Turkestan Islamic Party, among other groups, has waged a bloody terrorist campaign against the Han and there have been many other deadly riots. In March 2014, Uyghur terrorists stabbed 141 random Han at Kunming Railway Station in southwest China, killing 31 people. The next month, terrorists blew themselves up at Urumqi station, killing three Han. In February 2017, three of them knifed 5 Han to death, before being killed by the police .

In 2017, the Chinese government got really serious with mass arrests, and perhaps as many as 3 million people detained in “re-education camps” where they are compulsorily taught Chinese and generally broken down .

So, who exactly are the Uyghur? According to the most up-to-date research, they are a genetic “cline” between “European” and “East Asian.” Specifically, in Hotan in northern Xianjiang, they are about 60% genetically European and 40% genetically East Asian. In the south of Xinjiang, Uyghurs are around 52% genetically European [Analysis of Genomic Admixture in Uyghur and Its Implication in Mapping Strategy, by Shuhua Xu et al., American Journal of Human Genetics, 2008].

Of course, these are only averages. They imply that a minority of Uyghur are considerably more than 60% genetically European—explaining why some of them, with their blond hair and blue eyes, wouldn’t look out of place in Northeastern Europe.

Genetics researcher Razib Khan has theorized that Indo-Europeans made their way to what is now Northwest China about 4000 years ago, led there by the search for fresh farming pastures [Uighurs are Hybrids, By Razib Khan, Discovery Magazine, March 28, 2003]. This explains why the region’s Tarim Mummies, which are about 2000 years old, are conspicuously Caucasian, much to the embarrassment of Beijing [The Dead Tell A Tale China Doesn’t Care To Listen To, by Edward Wong, New York Times, November 18, 2008].

World traveler Linda Thom visited Xinjiang in 2007, and wrote, at the time of the riots, that:


The mummies are Europeans, not Han Chinese.

Although there are hundreds of mummies, perhaps the two most famous are “Cherchen Man” and the “Loulan Beauty”, which my husband and I saw in the provincial museum in Urumqi in 2007. Cherchen man dates from 1000 BC. He has red hair, is about 5′ 10″ tall and has a decidedly European face. Loulan Beauty, among the oldest mummies, has light brown hair and again looks European, not Chinese.

Beside the Loulan Beauty’s case, an artist drew a picture (right) of how beautiful she may have been because the Uighurs have adopted her as a symbol of their people. She looks like them, not Chinese.

DNA samples do not completely support this view—the Uighurs are a Turkic people—but whatever else they are, the mummies are not Han Chinese.


Approximately 2500 years ago, an East Asian people came to this area and intermixed with the Indo-European population. The result was the Uyghur people seen in China today.

By the ninth century, the Uyghurs were ruled by the Tiele, a confederation of Turkic tribes. By the tenth century, these Turkic tribes had converted to Islam and by the seventeenth century, the Uyghurs’ gradual conversion to Islam was complete as well. Originally, they had likely spoken an Indo-European language. Now they spoke a Turkic dialect which, to this day, is written in Arabic script in China. But the Uyghur are only linguistically, not genetically, a Turkic people. Subsequently the Uyghurs spread out from China and are now also found in Turkey, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, with growing numbers of refugees in the West.

In the 12th century, much of the area which the Uyghurs inhabited—Uyghurstan—came under the rule of the Mongols. Then, in the seventeenth century, most of it passed to to the Han Chinese. Thus the Uyghur town of Ush rebelled in 1765, due to Han raping their women. As a result, the townsmen were massacred, and the women and children enslaved. After the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1912, the Uyghurs twice set up a Soviet-backed East Turkestan Republic, but it was twice crushed by the Chinese.

The persecution of the Uyghurs raises difficult questions. On the one hand, the Han Chinese, like Western Europeans and North Americans, are under attack from Islamic terrorists, who slaughter their people. The Uyghur do this because they want their homeland back, but so do Palestinians (from their perspective). Muslims who have emigrated to the West might simply want the West to “submit” to them, but they often claim to be motivated by Western incursions into Islamic countries, such as the presence of the US military in Saudi Arabia. Should we, therefore, sympathize with the Han who, like us, are trying to protect themselves from Islamic violence?

On the other hand, however, the Han are persecuting viciously what is, to a significant degree, a European minority in China (albeit one that has adopted Islam). The Han are persecuting “our people”—they are interfering with our “genetic interests,” because it’s inherently in our “genetic interests” that there should be more of our group and that we occupy more land. (This argument is developed by Australian academic Frank Salter in his 2003 book On Genetic Interests).

As the Chinese become increasingly becoming aggressive in a new Cold War, perhaps this “genetic interest” will tip the balance in favor of our siding with China’s quasi-European minority

http://www.unz.com/article/does-the-west-have-a-genetic-interest-in-supporting-chinas-uyghurs/

Are u aware this article is from a racist site. If you resort to use racist talking points, than you have lost all credibility.
 
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The Muslims today knew the hypocrisy of the west in the past they supported the Afghans and soviets now they are trying to do the same with China but that will not work because most of Muslims knew the west support Israel and the same west that condemned the soviet invasion of Afghanistan they invaded Afghanistan themselves later
 
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Are u aware this article is from a racist site. If you resort to use racist talking points, than you have lost all credibility.

Unz Review has writers and commentators from all political spectrum left, right, center and fringe folks they are lot of Pro China writers on the Unz like Godfrey Roberts,Anatoly Karlin, The Saker, Andre Vltckek and to name a few again its probably the only site you could find a broad range of writers from different political spectrums.

No Uyghurs aren't white and no one here considers them so. The west's interest in the uyghurs "plight" is a result of the neocon/neoliberal establishment that wishes to destabilise China with petty concerns over human rights.

You guys need to learn that the west doesn't have ethnic concerns about their own people. Hence the immigration crisis and declining demographics.

I am well aware of how the US Establishment is just trying to do a repeat of the 1980s anti Soviet feelings in the Muslim World but this time instead of the Soviets its the Chinese again why you guys so lazy why do you want always use Muslims as cannon fodder against rival powers be it the Soviets now the Chinese and also yes the neocon/neoliberal are the same coin as usual in so called "haven of democracy" and "human rights" the USA, of course the west and America does not care about your own folk when your own Govt is bought by corporate and lets say "kosher" interests and the draining of young Midwestern and Southern males enlisted to die in the Middle East

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Same again: Do you paycheck trolls actually read these articles you dump at all or just copy whatever is recommended to you by Google based on your search habits when typing in "China+collapse" and other keywords?


I am not a troll and I posted articles here that are positive about China and I try to be more nuanced by striking debate and trying to get different perspectives as this forum suppose to entail.
Such a racist site. Look at the headlines...


again there is folks from all types of the political spectrum lol
The Muslims today knew the hypocrisy of the west in the past they supported the Afghans and soviets now they are trying to do the same with China but that will not work because most of Muslims knew the west support Israel and the same west that condemned the soviet invasion of Afghanistan they invaded Afghanistan themselves later

Are they issues with discrimination with Uyghurs and the Han yes there is problems in Xinjiang province but I think what the western media portrays is more hyped up as trade war with the PRC is now heating up to the Cold War 2.0 and you bring good points above the West does not give rat a...s about Uyghurs heck if Uyghurs were to leave in massive numbers like what we saw in Syria, or in Afghanistan be sure they would not give them any entry to any Western nation few "token" activists for the neo liberal owned media but not regular folk fleeing their homelands as usual
 
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There’s an old stereotype that “all Chinese people look the same.” However, what people really mean is that Han Chinese people, who make up 91% of the population of the People’s Republic of China, look the same. There are also 55 officially-recognized ethnic minorities in China. And then there are ethnic minorities whom the Chinese government refuses to recognize. This is usually because they are Turkic peoples who are genetically very different from the Han and don’t like being ruled by them. One of these unrecognized ethnic minorities: 11.3 million-strong Muslim “Uyghur.” They have effectively been in rebellion against Han occupation for centuries. And, genetically, they are, to a great extent, white. (Right, via Wikipedia, a Uyghur girl in Turpan, Xinjiang, China.)

Why are the Uyghurs in the news so much? Why is our government trying to pressure the Chinese to stop abusing Uyghur “human rights”? [Top US diplomat keeps up pressure on China over Muslim Uighurs, Aljazeera, October 10, 2019, ]. How did the Uyghur become such an irritant to the Beijing regime?


The Uyghur, known until the 1930s simply as the Turki, have repeatedly risen up against their East Asian Han overlords, inevitable because they are genetically and culturally very different from the Han. It has been demonstrated that the more genetically different two ethnic groups are, the more likely they are fight against each other [see Ethnic Conflicts, by Tatu Vanhanen]. Essentially, there has been continuous unrest in the Northwest province of Xinjiang, where the China’s Uyghur mainly live, since 1931. This province, once overwhelmingly Uyghur, is now only 45% Uyghur—and 40% Han. Its capital city, Urumqi, is now 75% Han and only 12.8% Uyghur.

These massive demographic changes reflect a deliberate Han government policy of overwhelming Xinjiang, and especially its capital, with Han immigrants so that the Uyghur will completely lose control of their territory, be absorbed into Han culture, and stop being a quasi-white thorn in the Han regime’s side.

In contrast, intense restrictions are not imposed on the Muslim “Hui,” as the Hui are not in rebellion and are genetically closely related to the Han [Genetic substructure and forensic characteristics of Chinese Hui populations using 157 Y-SNPs and 27 Y-STRs, By Mingkung Xie et al., FSI Genetics, 2019]) so the Han are prepared to tolerate them.

But, unlike the Hui, Uyghur cannot set up schools to educate their children in Islam. If they work for the state, they are not given facilities to fast during Ramadan. Uyghur must l ive in gated communities with police check points. QR codes (computer-readable barcodes) must be attached to the doors of their dwellings so that the police can easily check who is authorised to be there [The race card, The Economist, September 3, 2016].

The current unrest began in 2009 with the “Shaoguan Incident” in southeast China. Uyghur migrant workers in a toy factory were accused of sexually assaulting a Han woman. This triggered a riot by Han Chinese, with at least two Uyghur men killed and about 118 injured.

In turn, his set off a riot in Urumqi, involving at least 1000 furious Uyghur. Officially, 197 people were killed, almost all of them Han. The Beijing government clamped down on the province with renewed ferocity, including an immediate media blackout and the militarization of the entire region. Over 1000 people were arrested and by February 2010, at least 26 people had been executed. According to the Chinese government, 476 Han in the province were stabbed with hypodermic needles by Uyghur terrorists.

Ever since, the Turkestan Islamic Party, among other groups, has waged a bloody terrorist campaign against the Han and there have been many other deadly riots. In March 2014, Uyghur terrorists stabbed 141 random Han at Kunming Railway Station in southwest China, killing 31 people. The next month, terrorists blew themselves up at Urumqi station, killing three Han. In February 2017, three of them knifed 5 Han to death, before being killed by the police .

In 2017, the Chinese government got really serious with mass arrests, and perhaps as many as 3 million people detained in “re-education camps” where they are compulsorily taught Chinese and generally broken down .

So, who exactly are the Uyghur? According to the most up-to-date research, they are a genetic “cline” between “European” and “East Asian.” Specifically, in Hotan in northern Xianjiang, they are about 60% genetically European and 40% genetically East Asian. In the south of Xinjiang, Uyghurs are around 52% genetically European [Analysis of Genomic Admixture in Uyghur and Its Implication in Mapping Strategy, by Shuhua Xu et al., American Journal of Human Genetics, 2008].

Of course, these are only averages. They imply that a minority of Uyghur are considerably more than 60% genetically European—explaining why some of them, with their blond hair and blue eyes, wouldn’t look out of place in Northeastern Europe.

Genetics researcher Razib Khan has theorized that Indo-Europeans made their way to what is now Northwest China about 4000 years ago, led there by the search for fresh farming pastures [Uighurs are Hybrids, By Razib Khan, Discovery Magazine, March 28, 2003]. This explains why the region’s Tarim Mummies, which are about 2000 years old, are conspicuously Caucasian, much to the embarrassment of Beijing [The Dead Tell A Tale China Doesn’t Care To Listen To, by Edward Wong, New York Times, November 18, 2008].

World traveler Linda Thom visited Xinjiang in 2007, and wrote, at the time of the riots, that:


The mummies are Europeans, not Han Chinese.

Although there are hundreds of mummies, perhaps the two most famous are “Cherchen Man” and the “Loulan Beauty”, which my husband and I saw in the provincial museum in Urumqi in 2007. Cherchen man dates from 1000 BC. He has red hair, is about 5′ 10″ tall and has a decidedly European face. Loulan Beauty, among the oldest mummies, has light brown hair and again looks European, not Chinese.

Beside the Loulan Beauty’s case, an artist drew a picture (right) of how beautiful she may have been because the Uighurs have adopted her as a symbol of their people. She looks like them, not Chinese.

DNA samples do not completely support this view—the Uighurs are a Turkic people—but whatever else they are, the mummies are not Han Chinese.


Approximately 2500 years ago, an East Asian people came to this area and intermixed with the Indo-European population. The result was the Uyghur people seen in China today.

By the ninth century, the Uyghurs were ruled by the Tiele, a confederation of Turkic tribes. By the tenth century, these Turkic tribes had converted to Islam and by the seventeenth century, the Uyghurs’ gradual conversion to Islam was complete as well. Originally, they had likely spoken an Indo-European language. Now they spoke a Turkic dialect which, to this day, is written in Arabic script in China. But the Uyghur are only linguistically, not genetically, a Turkic people. Subsequently the Uyghurs spread out from China and are now also found in Turkey, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, with growing numbers of refugees in the West.

In the 12th century, much of the area which the Uyghurs inhabited—Uyghurstan—came under the rule of the Mongols. Then, in the seventeenth century, most of it passed to to the Han Chinese. Thus the Uyghur town of Ush rebelled in 1765, due to Han raping their women. As a result, the townsmen were massacred, and the women and children enslaved. After the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1912, the Uyghurs twice set up a Soviet-backed East Turkestan Republic, but it was twice crushed by the Chinese.

The persecution of the Uyghurs raises difficult questions. On the one hand, the Han Chinese, like Western Europeans and North Americans, are under attack from Islamic terrorists, who slaughter their people. The Uyghur do this because they want their homeland back, but so do Palestinians (from their perspective). Muslims who have emigrated to the West might simply want the West to “submit” to them, but they often claim to be motivated by Western incursions into Islamic countries, such as the presence of the US military in Saudi Arabia. Should we, therefore, sympathize with the Han who, like us, are trying to protect themselves from Islamic violence?

On the other hand, however, the Han are persecuting viciously what is, to a significant degree, a European minority in China (albeit one that has adopted Islam). The Han are persecuting “our people”—they are interfering with our “genetic interests,” because it’s inherently in our “genetic interests” that there should be more of our group and that we occupy more land. (This argument is developed by Australian academic Frank Salter in his 2003 book On Genetic Interests).

As the Chinese become increasingly becoming aggressive in a new Cold War, perhaps this “genetic interest” will tip the balance in favor of our siding with China’s quasi-European minority

http://www.unz.com/article/does-the-west-have-a-genetic-interest-in-supporting-chinas-uyghurs/
Nothing to do with race because Uyghurs are not white nor are the european, and any european genetics are negligible, they are fully central asians. This is mostly a divide and conquer strategy, I’m sure we’ all aware.

The Tibetan issue? Russia play the mongol card and gor mongolia, Japan played the Manchurian card and got manchuko. In HK its a universal rights issue since its already legally china, in taiwan its a political issue between democracy and Communism.

overall just a strategy to nake China less stable, more easy to conquer or instead less able to challenge the west as I do not believe the west hopes to “conquer China”or anywhere for that matter in the 21st century.
 
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The West is totally supporting the human rights Uyghur muslims and is concerned with them being persecuted because of their religion, You're an idiot if you think otherwise.
 
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Why does the West have to support Muslims when the Muslim countries aren't doing anything, Muslims like to lick the Chinese boots so let them deal with it.
 
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Fun Fact the Japanese actually supported a Ottoman ruled East Turkistan. Japanese agents supported a Ottoman prince and the CUP exiles in establishing this state.

If it did happen it was actually going to be a Muslim Manchuko.
 
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Get out of here. That's ridiculous. Americans do not see the Uighurs as White and that's not a factor. The Uighurs, Tibetans, Hong Kong, Taiwan are all just convenient cards to play to weaken China's position.

Middle Easterners are FAR MORE WHITE than the Uighurs are and the US has been bombing the shit out of them for decades.
 
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Fun Fact the Japanese actually supported a Ottoman ruled East Turkistan. Japanese agents supported a Ottoman prince and the CUP exiles in establishing this state.

If it did happen it was actually going to be a Muslim Manchuko.
Japan occupied Manchuria and set up a puppet Manchu government, but it's reach was far from Xinjiang even at its peak, so what Japan supports or not doesn't matter in central and west China.
 
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Japan occupied Manchuria and set up a puppet Manchu government, but it's reach was far from Xinjiang even at its peak, so what Japan supports or not doesn't matter in central and west China.

It did not go well in Turkey as Ataturk slammed the Japanese in trying to establish another Manchuko this time a Muslim version. Manchuko was ruled by a Puyi who was part of the Qing dynasty.

Its really interesting how Japan used royals as their puppets.

This whole attempt was was not just conquer China but most of Asia. I think Japan was placing various royals as puppets for their own political interests.
 
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Why does the West have to support Muslims when the Muslim countries aren't doing anything, Muslims like to lick the Chinese boots so let them deal with it.

Honestly think the West is supporting the Uygurs out of their love for them. For decades the uygurs were ignored by the West because they were Muslim and focused instead on the Tibetans now the Tibetans have gone out of fashion its now the Uygurs.

Before you start critising Muslims or the Turks dont think the West is doing out of their love or for so called human rights. For decades you ignored the Uygurs and their plight and only until now you suddenly care about them what a load of bull.

You only care about the Uygurs because the Chinese now a rival and a competitor to the Western dominated world.

Lets be honest the whole issue here is geopolitics not human rights.
 
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