Does Pakistan manufacture its own Turbojet/Turbfan engines for its cruise missiles?

[sparten]

An internal combustion engine is even more older tech than jet engine and Pakistan buys that for her only so called home made tank

An Al Khalid engine only has to operate once?

A turbofan or turbojet is actually probably the easiest thing to make of a cruise missile. It does not need to account for several thousand start up and shut down cycles. No need to worry about foreign object damage. Or economical useful life. Or safety in case of failure. All it needs is to run for two hours. Any half decent university lab can make something that does that.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just get tank engines and train engine , then Jet Engine it would be fantastic acomplishment full 40 years behind other nations

 

[!eon]

Pakistani institutions have old colonial officer shahi culture
They also have to learn from top industrial nations how industrial culture works. Putting an Army General on top position and thinking all will be best, like in old colony brings nothing.

Not only tank but also for Super Mushaq, we need to work on setting up an industrial base but unfortunately, we are moving in the reverse direction by de-industrialization like Steel Mills, PIA, Railways and the list will go on ...

My recommendation is Steel Mills and like institutions should be sold to Fauji Group as they will not only full fill the local commercial need but will also integrate steel mills with HIT and maybe we will be able to setup a vertical steel industry to backup complicated technological manufacturing such as engines ...

An Al Khalid engine only has to operate once?

English please

A turbofan or turbojet is actually probably the easiest thing to make of a cruise missile.

They manufacture a lot of these in jungle of Timbuktu

 

[sparten]

Firstly, Timbektu is a desert oasis, its not a jungle. Secondly, a normal jet engine, like the one on an airliner or fighter needs to work for years. Therefore, it needs to be resistant to the start up and shut doiwn cylce, metals tends to expand when hot and contract when cold, this leads to damage, and therefore need good metallurgy to resist it; in a "use once" jet engine on a cruise missile, this is not a concern. MEaning you can use fairly run of the mill metals. A normal jet engine needs to be efficient at crusing alitudes, therefore the pressures and thrust has to vary and be optimised for that altitude. Not the case with a cruise missile, where the missile flies at one particular altitude after launch.

 

[The Accountant]

Pakistani institutions have old colonial officer shahi culture
They also have to learn from top industrial nations how industrial culture works. Putting an Army General on top position and thinking all will be best, like in old colony brings nothing.

I partially agree but I think you have not visited these institutions in persons ... These institutions lack simple corporate structure and discpline ,,, running a corporate organization in not a rocket science you need to have a vibrant leadership ... I am not a fan of army generals but right now this is the remedy to bring the house in order however, this is just my opinion lets agree to disagree ...

 

[!eon]

I partially agree but I think you have not visited these institutions in persons

My childhood and teenage passed roaming in these institutions

These institutions lack simple corporate structure and discpline ,,, running a corporate organization in not a rocket science you need to have a vibrant leadership ..

While studying and working in one of highly industrialized country, I realized where Pakistani institutions are standing, not just standing but going backward. Industrial culture is long study topic my dear, and many in Pakistan don't even have any idea of this or they don't know something like this exists.
If it's that easy then every country on face of earth would be Germany and Japan

. I am not a fan of army generals but right now this is the remedy to bring the house in order however, this is just my opinion lets agree to disagree ...

I am not against or in favor of any person but I really want that they learn how industries work.
I know nothing is going to change in Pakistan. Wheel is moving back over there.

 

[The Accountant]

My childhood and teenage passed roaming in these institutions

same is mine

 

[qamar1990]

Hi,

There is no need to when we can get the desired equipment from an ally---.

We can focus on other items that we can develop.

why is there no need??... is there no need to be self sufficient?? an ally today can be an eney tomorrow smh... wisen up old man.

An internal combustion engine is even more older tech than jet engine and Pakistan buys that for her only so called home made tank

home made my ***... our so called experts say that we dont need to develop tech like this.... thats why we cant make shit....

 

[Thorough Pro]

Yes!

In Harba missile test thread, I mentioned that it was "100%" made in Pakistan missile.

I haven't heard from any legitimate source that we manufacture them.

 

[The Deterrent]

Yes!

In Harba missile test thread, I mentioned that it was "100%" made in Pakistan missile.

Well not 100%.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Pakistan imports its miniature turbojet engines from the Czech Republic. It might also be procuring miniature turbofan engines from Ukraine (i.e. MS400). With Pakistan gradually building a sizable cruise missile inventory, then domestically manufacturing miniature turbojet and turbofan engines ought to be on the roadmap.

 

[SipahSalar]

Pakistan imports its miniature turbojet engines from the Czech Republic. It might also be procuring miniature turbofan engines from Ukraine (i.e. MS500). With Pakistan gradually building a sizable cruise missile inventory, then domestically manufacturing miniature turbojet and turbofan engines ought to be on the roadmap.

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270 Turbojet engines in just two years! I didn't think we were building this large a cruise missile arsenal. I thought we had around 40-50 cruise missiles at most.

Also doesn't exporting these turbojet engines break the MTCR treaty rules?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

270 Turbojet engines in just two years! I didn't think we were building this large a cruise missile arsenal. I thought we had around 40-50 cruise missiles at most.

Also doesn't exporting these turbojet engines break the MTCR treaty rules?

Re: exports, nope. It's difficult to regulate because miniature turbojets and turbofans can (in theory) be used for many applications. The MTCR focuses more on the end-result (i.e. the cruise missile or drone) than the various inputs contributing to it. It'd take Iran or North Korea-level sanctions to prevent Pakistan from importing the inputs. For the likes of Ukraine and Czech Republic, sales to Pakistan are key.

Re: the number of miniature turbojets. The Czech ones are used for target drones. As for cruise missile numbers, IMO 40-50 is an extremely conservative figure. Pakistan has been fielding its cruise missiles for nearly a decade, so to just have 40-50 would mean a production output of 4-5 per year. That's doubtful.

 

[SipahSalar]

Re: the number of miniature turbojets. The Czech ones are used for target drones. As for cruise missile numbers, IMO 40-50 is an extremely conservative figure. Pakistan has been fielding its cruise missiles for nearly a decade, so to just have 40-50 would mean a production output of 4-5 per year. That's doubtful.

In your opinion what would be a good estimate of how many we have?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

In your opinion what would be a good estimate of how many we have?

Tough to say, but with so many different types - e.g. Babur Ver. 2, Babur 3 SLCM, Ra'ad II ALCM, Harba ASCM, etc - entering the fold, the induction rate could accelerate.