Does Pakistan manufacture its own Turbojet/Turbfan engines for its cruise missiles?

[SipahSalar]

I haven't heard from any legitimate source that we manufacture them.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

There is no need to when we can get the desired equipment from an ally---.

We can focus on other items that we can develop.

 

[BHarwana]

I haven't heard from any legitimate source that we manufacture them.

Yes Pakistan manufactures it's own engines for cruise missiles, They are developed by NDC and NESCOM I think. Not sure thou. Check here for more info below.

http://www.nti.org/learn/facilities/634/

 

[war&peace]

As of now, we don't but there is a program to develop the facility and it is under development.
However even integration of the engine is very challenging and it takes time and a lot of expertise. Cruise missile engine is very special due to the size limitations. It has an engine control unit or engine flight computer which needs to talk to the control system of the missile, also a lot of subsystem designing like fuel intake, deployable air intake, fuel storage, exhaust system, electrical harnesses and routing, cooling and IR signature etc ..Cruise is missile a little but more advanced airplane for a single mission.

 

[YeBeWarned]

as far as i know , we don't .. but its not necessarily a important thing to home made, Pakistan needs to put some millions of Dollars in other projects like Nuclear Submarine , Attack/utility Helicopters , UCAV's , Upgrading infantry , More MRAP's , SPH , modern Artillery , ECM's , SAM's and Satellites .

 

[SipahSalar]

Hi,

There is no need to when we can get the desired equipment from an ally---.

We can focus on other items that we can develop.

I believe when our cruise missiles were being used as strategic nuclear weapons then there was no need to manufacture our own TJ/TF engines. But now we are deploying cruise missiles in a conventional role. Putting them on 550 tonne missile boats in anti-ship roles, land attack roles or using Ra'ad to target radar facilities.

Our need for these missiles has exponentially increased, if we are to save millions of dollars on hundreds of these missiles then the next logical step would be to mass produce them using our own industry.

 

[BHarwana]

I believe when our cruise missiles were being used as strategic nuclear weapons then there was no need to manufacture our own TJ/TF engines. But now we are deploying cruise missiles in a conventional role. Putting them on 550 tonne missile boats in anti-ship roles, land attack roles or using Ra'ad to target radar facilities.

Our need for these missiles has exponentially increased, if we are to save millions of dollars on hundreds of these missiles then the next logical step would be to mass produce them using our own industry.

Pakistan is developing it's own jet engines and Pakistan also helped Turkey in some extent to develop it's new engine for cruise missile.

 

[SipahSalar]

Pakistan is developing it's own jet engines and Pakistan also helped Turkey in some extent to develop it's new engine for cruise missile.

source?

 

[BHarwana]

source?

There are 4 companies in Pakistan that are involved in the development of these missiles and they develop and produce different parts of the missiles I don't know exactly which one does what. But they are as respectively

National Defense Complex (NDC)
National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM)
Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Organization (SUPARCO)
Khan Research Laboratories (KRL)

Most of the credit of Pakistani cruise missile program goes to NDC and they are developing the engines or NESCOM are developing them.

But they are locally being developed. You cannot find any info on NDC and NESCOM because they are highly secretive so no one here can confirm and the link below is all you are going to get info on the organizations.

The owner ship of these companies is MOD Pakistan

go through the website and you might find some thing but I doubt it

http://www.mod.gov.pk/


NDC has also developed the Hatf-7/Babur, Pakistan’s first land attack cruise missile. The 2005 inaugural test-flight of the Hatf-7/Babur stunned many observers both for its technological complexity and its undetected development. [6] Whether NDC benefited, as PAEC historically did, from Chinese assistance while developing the Babur remains unclear – analysts have identified design similarities with several Chinese cruise missiles as well as U.S. Tomahawk missiles, which have crash landed over Pakistani territory. [7] Upgraded Babur missiles were test-fired in 2007 and 2009. [8] Some analysts believe that further development includes air-launch and sea-launch capabilities. [9]

http://www.nti.org/learn/facilities/634/

 

[!eon]

No they are not
but they should and must be developed inside Pakistan. Pakistan is too much dependent on one country.

 

[Areesh]

@The Deterrent

 

[sparten]

Yes they are. Jet engines are a 1930’s technology. Unlike modern engines which to operate for thousands of hours over hundreds of sorties, a cruise missile engine needs to function, once, for max a couple of hours.

You don’t need to tolerances and specifications of normal aircraft engines.

 

[The Accountant]

I believe when our cruise missiles were being used as strategic nuclear weapons then there was no need to manufacture our own TJ/TF engines. But now we are deploying cruise missiles in a conventional role. Putting them on 550 tonne missile boats in anti-ship roles, land attack roles or using Ra'ad to target radar facilities.

Our need for these missiles has exponentially increased, if we are to save millions of dollars on hundreds of these missiles then the next logical step would be to mass produce them using our own industry.

We cant produce unless we have a vobrant and modernize steel alloy industry ... Unfortunately we are importing steel sheets for car bodies as well therefore we will eventually fail to get any economies of scale ... The way we could do it is to localise steel industry work on automobile and heavy machine making indusrty and then we can suerly move ahead for aircraft engine manufacturing otherwise it will cost us more

 

[!eon]

An internal combustion engine is even more older tech than jet engine and Pakistan buys that for her only so called home made tank

Yes they are. Jet engines are a 1930’s technology. Unlike modern engines which to operate for thousands of hours over hundreds of sorties, a cruise missile engine needs to function, once, for max a couple of hours.

You don’t need to tolerances and specifications of normal aircraft engines.

 

[The Accountant]

An internal combustion engine is even older tech than jet engine and Pakistan buys that for her only so-called homemade tank

Not only tank but also for Super Mushaq, we need to work on setting up an industrial base but unfortunately, we are moving in the reverse direction by de-industrialization like Steel Mills, PIA, Railways and the list will go on ...

My recommendation is Steel Mills and like institutions should be sold to Fauji Group as they will not only full fill the local commercial need but will also integrate steel mills with HIT and maybe we will be able to setup a vertical steel industry to backup complicated technological manufacturing such as engines ...