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Does Modi know what a smart city is?

These are pilot projects just as there are close to 200 pilot projects in China.
It will take time but there is will be progressive levels of smartness not a single benchmark.


Serious projects have target dates. Does Modi have a target date for building 200 smart cities? Does he have a target date for finishing one smart city?

Otherwise, this is a marketing gimmick just like Manmohan Singh's project of making Mumbai better than Shanghai.
 
Good luck with that. Talking is what Indians are good at. They are the best in the world at that and not much else.

Our Indian members, please watch the video below to get an idea how China is implementing smart cities. Watch and learn because the Chinese don't talk, they just make it happen.





That's it? You are showcasing this as an example of Modi's achievements? This looks like what a small Chinese city can do on a weekend.
The only words I could understand from the video are Shanghai and Smart City (why do they use English words in hindi TV? @Echo_419 @Nilgiri ). Judging from the images, I think it is more about a modern city with modern infrastructure (just my direct feeling). As we have discussed, Smart City is more about ICT and IoT. Modern infra does not make for a smart city. A smart city does not really have to have huge amount of skyscrapers, fancy shopping malls or ultra-modern metro, these are the element of mega cities.

Let me show you 2 districts in Guiyang City in Western China.
One district is well established, has metro, high rises, but not really very Smart yet.
The other new district was founded a couple of years ago (proved by Central Government in 2014), no high rise yet, but way Smarter....

Nanming District, well established, but less Smart!

Gui'an New Area, recently founded, but more Smart!

Big data and cloud computing centres
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Foxconn's 4th generation industrial park
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Education precinct
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(why do they use English words in hindi TV? @Echo_419 @Nilgiri )

Its common thing since english is often quicker to say for certain things. Many English words have become part of Hindi and other languages in India. Just like English borrows from many other languages it comes into contact with.

As we have discussed, Smart City is more about ICT and IoT. Modern infra does not make for a smart city.

These elements will also be there for these smart cities according to the white papers that I have read. Right now its very nascent days, so obviously the promotion will be more for the visible elements.
 
As always, India talks while China works. Narendra Modi wants to build 100 smart cities at a time when India doesn't yet have one city that has 24/7 water and electricity supply.

I can't help but wonder if Modi even understands what a smart city is and how difficult it would be to build 100 of them.

To give you an idea what building a smart city requires, watch this video of Guangzhou China. Do you think India has what it takes to build one, much less 100 smart cities?


The thing is, their standard of smart city isn't what it takes to be a smart city. That's the only difference.
 
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The thing is, their standard of smart city isn't what it takes to be a smart city. That's the only difference.


It's just like Modi's "Semi-Bullet" train: it's not really a bullet train; it's just an old train with a fresh coat of paint.


http://indianexpress.com/article/in...test-train-shatabdi-express-gatimaan-express/

India’s ‘fastest train’ beats first Shatabdi by all of two minutes

March 22 trial shows Gatimaan remains hobbled by track, speed restrictions; Chairman, Rail Board, says high-speed trains world over run on straight tracks.
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The Gatimaan Express, with three decades worth of advancement in railway technologies would take 113 minutes to reach the Taj Mahal city. What started out as a leap for Railways into the elite semi-high speed train club is turning out to be a tiny crawl.

The flagship Gatimaan Express between New Delhi and Agra, to be launched as India’s fastest train service at a top speed of 160 km per hour, will in fact be only a few minutes quicker than — if not just about as fast as — the first Shatabdi Express launched as the fastest train in India 28 years ago.

The first Shatabdi Express, rolled out between New Delhi and Jhansi in 1988 by then railway minister Madhavrao Scindia to commemorate the centenary birth celebrations of Jawaharlal Nehru, took 115 minutes to reach Agra, Railway archives show.

The Gatimaan Express, with three decades worth of advancement in railway technologies and a good two years of work into it, would take 113 minutes to reach the Taj Mahal city — as per its latest, and what is being touted as its final, trial before launch.

At its inception, it was planned that Gatimaan would cover the Delhi-Agra distance in 90 minutes. This was significantly lower than the 117 minutes the Bhopal Shatabdi — currently the fastest train with top speed of 150 kmph (permissible up to 155 kmph) — takes between the two cities.

While the aim was later revised to under 100 minutes, in subsequent trials, the Gatimaan timing between the two cities was further stretched to 105 minutes, as per records reviewed by The Sunday Express. Of late, the Railways had been aiming for 110 minutes — just a seven-minute gain from the Bhopal Shatabdi.

While March 31 was a tentative launch date for the semi-high speed train, that could not be put off now till all the glitches have been weeded out and the Gatimaan is able to clock a time less embarrassing than what it is doing.

Last year there had been talk of Prime Minister Narendra Modi flagging off the train.

Officials involved with the project say that the reasons the Railways is struggling to bring down the travel time — despite 28 years of technical advances, an engine capable of clocking 200 kmph and a train carrying less coaches than a traditional Shatabdi — are not technical. They are much more basic.

The fundamental flaw in planning was the assumption that the train could maintain a speed of 160 kmph for most of its journey on a track which is not even an exclusive corridor.

In fact, the 195-km stretch from New Delhi to Agra has 19 ‘caution points’. Which means that 19 times during its short run, the train needs to reduce its speed, sometimes to as low as 60-70 kmph, even if for a few seconds. This is after weeding out of many more such traditional caution points on the route for the train. The Gatimaan loses 1.5-2 minutes each time it decelerates and then accelerates again.

The majority of the caution points involve curves, bridges and populated sections. And then there are dynamic caution points as well on account of ongoing works. Curves eat into time, while populated areas have heavy speed restrictions imposed by the Commissioner of Railway Safety (CRS).

“Wherever in the world you see high-speed trains, they are on straight tracks. They avoid curves. But that’s not the case on this route. And each curve takes away speed,” A K Mital, Chairman, Railway Board, told The Sunday Express.

The Railways could still set a strict 90-minute target for the Gatimaan, he added, if it departed from Hazrat Nizamuddin Station in the Capital instead of New Delhi. “But then that’s not the same as starting it from New Delhi, which is the prime station of the Capital. The train loses around 10-15 minutes only to go to Nizamuddin from New Delhi. So from New Delhi we are aiming for 110 minutes,” he said.

Another major hurdle is the Mathura Yard of the Railways that is enroute. The signalling system there needs to be upgraded and made more seamless for the train to not slow down too much.

The Railways has been generous with funds for the track and signalling upgrade already carried out for the prestige product. The Northern Railway, that manages just a 58-km stretch between Delhi and Palwal, has spent Rs 60 crore so far and is slated to spend another Rs 15 crore. The North Central Railway has spent much more.

Former Railway Board chairman Arunendra Kumar, who conceived the project, said while the 90-minute target was “well within reach”, factors came in the way. “We are dealing with numerous speed restrictions because we wanted to gain the top speed speed in the existing infrastructure without compromising safety.”

In fact, the approach of the CRS, a watchdog under the Civil Aviation Ministry that needs to clear every rail project, has been criticised from the word go. Among the conditions it laid down was speed restrictions and insistence on fencing of the tracks.

Kumar says the CRS has been sceptical and conservative because like the Railways, it too has no prior experience of clearing high-speed services. “At one point we even proposed to the Chief CRS to go on a familiarisation trip to a high-speed railway abroad so that he is better informed about what we intend to do here,” he says.
 
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It's just like Modi's "Semi-Bullet" train, which is not a bullet train. It's just an older train with a fresh coat of paint.
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It's just like Modi's "Semi-Bullet" train, which is not a bullet train. It's just an older train with a fresh coat of paint.
:D :D
Surprisingly one Indian news channel has some rudimentary grasp of reality... So India might not be completely hopeless after all. By the way, when will Mumbai match Shanghai again?

Don't tell me you're Shanghai Noon. Coz I know the dude from youtube. ;)
 
Wuhan to become smart city by 2020

BARCELONA, Spain – Wuhan, capital of Central China's Hubei province, aims to become a leading city in terms of applying technology to improve the lives of its citizens, the vice-mayor of the city said.

Shao Weimin, the vice-mayor of Wuhan, made the remarks during a speech to the 2012 Smart City Expo World Congress held from Nov 13 to 15 in Barcelona, Spain.

The city is among the first batch of cities in China to pilot the smart city program, it is also the first city in the world to hold an open tender to global companies for intelligent city designs.

The concept of "smart city" was initially raised by IBM, before that various names, such as digital city and intelligent city, have been used to describe using information technology to run a city more efficiently.

According to IBM, a smart city is an instrumented, interconnected, and intelligent city. While Forrester, a research and advisory firm, defines smart city as "the use of smart computing technologies to make the critical infrastructure components and services of a city—which include city administration, education, healthcare, public safety, real estate, transportation, and utilities—more intelligent, interconnected, and efficient."

Wuhan plans to finish the information technology infrastructure construction by the year 2015 and by the year 2020 a smart Wuhan will be in place, according to Shao.

The city has already launched several programs to improve citizens' lives and offer more convenience. A municipal administrative service center which provides 24-hour self-service public service has been set up. Wuhan also launched a two-dimensional code food tracing system to ensure food safety and water resource monitoring system to protect the environment, Shao told the congress.

@AndrewJin


See, the Chinese don't bullshit. They don't talk endlessly. They take action. They just make it happen.

Indians on the other hand, talk endlessly and excitedly. They wake up, talk, eat, talk, shit, talk, talk some more, sleep, wake up, talk, talk, talk, eat, talk, talk, talk, shit, talk, talk, talk, and talk. Keep repeating this cycle.

It's really no mystery why India has fallen so far behind China: it's because Indians spend their waking hours talking instead of working.
 
See, the Chinese don't bullshit. They don't talk endlessly. They take action. They just make it happen.

Indians on the other hand, talk endlessly and excitedly. They wake up, talk, eat, talk, shit, talk, talk some more, sleep, wake up, talk, talk, talk, eat, talk, talk, talk, shit, talk, talk, talk, and talk. Keep repeating this cycle.

It's really no mystery why India has fallen so far behind China: it's because Indians spend their waking hours talking instead of working.
Smart city is supported by many industries.
It's a natural product of a mature ecosystem.

Huawei Rotating CEO Guo Ping Hails New Era of Alliances in the ICT Ecosystem – "An Age of Heroes"

[Shanghai, China, September 2, 2016] On the third day of HUAWEI CONNECT 2016 in Shanghai, Huawei Rotating CEO Guo Ping, Intel CEO Brian Krzanich, and Huawei Products & Solutions President Ryan Ding took center stage. Guo Ping's keynote focused on Huawei's concept of a cloud ecosystem, and the actions the company has taken to contribute to its development. Borrowing a rich set of metaphors from the natural world, Guo described Huawei's role as the "soil" and “energy” in the ICT ecosystem of a budding smart society. In this role, the company aims to serve as a platform for growth, and support strong alliances that push the industry forward and promote ongoing social progress.

According to Guo, society as we know it is developing towards a smart society, and in this environment, it simply won't be possible for any company to operate and compete on its own. All industries from healthcare to education will become more interconnected, more complex. As industries integrate and consumer demands evolve, enterprises have to become more open and flexible, and future-proof their business with ecological advantages.

"Essentially," Guo said, "marketplace advantages will come from within an organization, as has traditionally been the case, and also externally from the ecosystem in which they operate – forming a combination of both competitive and ecological advantages. The ICT ecosystem will be more open, dynamic, and symbiotic. Every enterprise, big or small, can take part in this interdependent, symbiotic, and regenerative community of common interests, as long as it has its own unique value and makes its own unique contribution." This will lead to an era of broad alliances where influential, luminary companies and talent – what Guo calls "heroes" – will emerge in great numbers.

In his keynote, Guo stressed three of Huawei's guiding principles for cultivating a sound ecosystem in the cloud era:

  1. Making a bigger pie (i.e., market) is more important than fighting for a larger share.
  2. Managing cooperation is more important than managing competition.
  3. Benefit sharing is the driving force behind the evolution of the ecosystem – and the result of its successful development.
Guo added that, to better prepare for inherent uncertainties in our future smart society, Huawei will unite as many people as it possibly can, grow the market, and share benefits more expansively. On the topic of sharing, he noted that Huawei has only set its sights on 1% of the huge digital transformation pie, leaving the rest to its partners.

Huawei is building an open, dynamic cloud ecosystem with a competitive suite of products, open architecture, and open Application Program Interfaces (APIs), all designed to provide its partners with added convenience. On the subject of partnership, Huawei has been actively establishing industry alliances to lead industry development and foster collective growth. In addition, Huawei has been establishing strategic business alliances to ensure customer success, and has been actively involved in open source communities to promote more community-based collaboration. The company has established a robust developers' platform to introduce more players who will bring unique, innovative strengths to the table and drive the prosperity of the ecosystem as a whole.

“In our increasingly smart and connected world, we need fast, intelligent and efficient wireless networks, cloud technologies and analytics capabilities to create amazing new experiences in our everyday lives,” said Brian Krzanich, CEO of Intel.” Our work with Huawei and industry partners on open platforms and global standards will help to accelerate early 5G technology developments and make cloud computing more accessible and easier to deploy.”

During the conference, Ryan Ding, President of Products & Solutions at Huawei, went into greater detail on the company's Developer Enablement Plan. Huawei announced the plan in 2015, with the aim of building a development enablement platform and a joint innovation platform for developers. The plan sets aside a total budget of US$1 billion that Huawei will invest over five years, aimed at rallying one million developers to Huawei's open platform by 2020. The company has already invested US$300 million in this plan, of which 200 million was spent on building an open enablement platform and 100 million on creating a global marketing platform.

Other guest speakers on day three of HUAWEI CONNECT 2016 included Li Mingguo, Founder of the TianZi Biodiversity & Development Center; Jim Zemlin, Executive Director of the Linux Foundation; Steven Cost, President of Hexagon's Safety & Infrastructure; and Kamran Ikram, Managing Director for UKI Infrastructure Services at Accenture.

Huawei launched a series of solutions at the event, including the Business Enabling System – an All-Cloud-based platform; Video Cloud; CaaS 2.0; Boudica – a commercial chip for NB-IoT; hilink – a smart home platform; and PaSS.

HUAWEI CONNECT 2016 is held from August 31-September 2 in Shanghai at the Shanghai Expo Centre, Mercedes-Benz Arena, and Shanghai World Expo Exhibition and Convention Center (SWEECC). It was attended by over 20,000 industry leaders who discussed how to build a Better Connected World, and how to promote digital transformation in industries. For more information, please go to: http://www.huawei.com/minisite/huaweiconnect2016

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ICT and IoT industries should be first established.


That's not how Indians do things. Here's how they do things:

1) They first claim to have achieved an objective when in fact they have not, or they claim that they will achieve an objective by a certain date.
2) They talk.
3) They talk some more.
4) They continue talking.
5) Still talking.
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.
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n) They forget what the original objective was.
n+1) They claim to have achieved another objective when in fact they have not, or they declare they will achieve an objective by a certain date.
n+2) They talk.
n+3) They talk some more.
n+4) They continue talking.
n+5) Still talking.
.
.
.
n+x) They forget what the objective was.
n+x+1) They claim to have achieved yet another objective when in fact they have not, or they declare they will achieve a new objective by a certain date.
n+x+1) They talk...
.
.
.
So on and on...

Indians basically spend their waking hours spewing bullshit and nothing gets done. Everybody talks and nobody works. No wonder India has fallen so far behind China.
 
That's not how Indians do things. Here's how they do things:

1) They first claim to have achieved an objective when in fact they have not, or they claim that they will achieve an objective by a certain date.
2) They talk.
3) They talk some more.
4) They continue talking.
5) Still talking.
.
.
.
n) They forget what the original objective was.
n+1) They claim to have achieved another objective when in fact they have not, or they declare they will achieve an objective by a certain date.
n+2) They talk.
n+3) They talk some more.
n+4) They continue talking.
n+5) Still talking.
.
.
.
n+x) They forget what the objective was.
n+x+1) They claim to have achieved yet another objective when in fact they have not, or they declare they will achieve a new objective by a certain date.
n+x+1) They talk...
.
.
.
So on and on...

Indians basically spend their waking hours spewing bullshit and nothing gets done. Everybody talks and nobody works. No wonder India has fallen so far behind China.
Hmm
They can start their plan from small targets....

In my city, there are several smaller projects in function
One is called smart construction sites. Every construction site is monitored and data will be automatically sent to the city cloud platform.
 
Hmm
They can start their plan from small targets....

In my city, there are several smaller projects in function
One is called smart construction sites. Every construction site is monitored and data will be automatically sent to the city cloud platform.


India and plan are two words that shouldn't be used together. Talking is the not the same as planning or execution.
 

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