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Do the indigenous Jews have a right to the land of Israel?

What a daft question. It's like asking if Native Americans have a right to live in America :lol:
are israelis indigenious to palestine??
 
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They were there before Arabs, before the Arabic language, before Islam and before 'palestinians' were ever heard of.

They were there 1,500 years before the Arabic language FFS :lol:

Of course they are indigenous to the land of Israel.

Look at the names of 'palestinians'


Al-Masri - the Egyptian
Khamis - Bahrain
al-Djazair - the Algerian

Their names betray their origin. :)
then why are 80 percent of isrealis europeans??? why dot they have the facial characteristics of the region??
 
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Do the indigenous Jews have a right to the land of Israel?

What a daft question. It's like asking if Native Americans have a right to live in America :lol:

Netanyahu is Polish

lierberman is Moldovan

what background are Sharon, Livni, Olmert because their not middle eastern
 
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Contrary to the Laws of Modern age, Quran is clear about who owns a certain piece of land:

Moses said to his people, ‘Turn to God for help and be steadfast:the earth belongs to God –– He gives it as their own to whichever of His servants He chooses –– and the happy future belongs to those who are mindful of Him,’ (7:128)

This means, in terms of origin Semitic or not, Jews - or in fact anybody else - have the right to live and make their livelihood wherever they want.

By making certain people successors/inheritors on the land, Allah (SWT) tests them that how do they behave:

and they replied, ‘We were being persecuted long before you came to us, and since then too.’ He said, ‘Your Lord may well destroy your enemy and make you successors to the land to see how you behave.’ (7:129)

But, there is another verse in Quran which tells you the rules of settling in an area:

When they were told, ‘Enter this town and eat freely there as you will, but say, “Relieve us!” and enter its gate humbly: then We shall forgive you your sins, and increase the reward of those who do good,’ (7:161) the wrongdoers among them substituted another saying for that which had been given them, so We sent them a punishment from heaven for their wrongdoing. (7:162)

That means that you are allowed to live in the new lands but 'you have to come and live in peace'.

About the verse 7:162 - The wrongdoers among them substituted another saying - is probably this one from Deuteronomy in Torah:

As for the towns of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them - the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Cannanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites - just as the Lord your God has commanded, so that they may not teach you to do all the abhorrent things that they do for their gods, and you thus sin against the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 20:16 - 18).

This was a licence to kill all the people who were not Jewish - Gentiles - and the alibi was also provided. That is why the Israelis even of today have little reluctance to the kill the civilians, because, the consider it Divinely ordained to not let anything that breathes remain alive.

So, in the end, according to Quran, Jews have every right to come and live in the Holyland, but they were supposed to come in peace and humility, they possess neither of the two; they are unjust and lawbreakers, Justice needs to be done with them and the other people of the Palestine.
 
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Yalla, come and be slaughtered too,

Be our guest oh brave one.

Come to our border, son.

If only you had so much balls against the Germans

The fact that a rag tag group of freedom fighters has managed to piss over any hope for a peaceful jewish life says it all
 
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Every attack makes us stronger and more determined to rid the earth of you.

I see they are doing a good job in CAR of annihilating you. Burma too.

Very good progress being made.

Please our population will hit 2 billion soon enough

it increases by many tens of millions each year


in CAR the seleka have rid the north of the enemy and we are made to resist we aint going anywhere
 
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they think whole world is Pakistan . Taliban killed 60000 pakistani civilians and military police personals and we have to talks with them. and some still openly said they are our brothers .
because yr big daddy america is also talking to them!!!! after loosing even more then us....And dont kid yrself they like israelis never release the actual figures.
 
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because yr big daddy america is also talking to them!!!! after loosing even more then us....And dont kid yrself they like israelis never release the actual figures.
so much love for your big dady taliban or hate of USA ?
 
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Israel has been created to implement the zionists agenda its has nothing to do with jews,
 
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THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]​

God wanted to give Abraham a double blessing, through Ishmael and through Isaac, and ordered that Ishmael's descendents should live in the desert of Arabia and Isaac's in Canaan.

The Qur'an recognizes the Land of Israel as the heritage of the Jews and it explains that, before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there. This prophecy has already been fulfilled.

LMaooooooooooooooooooo the Quran refers to Israelites and then to Jews, it references them as two different groups. So the Quran is talking about the historical Israelites and not the modern Jews. Secondly the promise of the hereafter is being referenced is the return of Christ as Jesus is the Messiah that the Israelites were supposed to accept according to both Muslim and Christian theology. In fact Jews also believe in this but they one do not believe Jesus was their Messiah and two circumvented the concept to create Israel anyway as according to their theology it was their Messiah who was supposed to lead them back to Israel. That is why some orthodox Jewish groups reject Israel entirely.
 
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They were there before Arabs, before the Arabic language, before Islam and before 'palestinians' were ever heard of.

They were there 1,500 years before the Arabic language FFS :lol:

Of course they are indigenous to the land of Israel.

Look at the names of 'palestinians'


Al-Masri - the Egyptian
Khamis - Bahrain
al-Djazair - the Algerian

Their names betray their origin. :)

What are you talking about?
Read the following:
Could the World All Be Genetically Arab, Says New DNA Evidence

When modern man decided to make a move out of Africa 60,000 years ago, there was one big question on his mind.

Which way should I go?

Many scholars believe our forefathers left the Horn of Africa and headed north, which would take them to what is now Egypt. From there, it is theorised, they spread through North Africa and the Levant to the rest of the world.

But another theory suggests the world's first modern immigrants might have taken a different route: the so-called southern route through Yemen and across the Arabian Peninsula.

This would mean that most non-Africans in the world today are descended from those pioneers who made their home in what are now Arab lands.

That view is supported by a research paper released in an American journal last month.

In it, an international team of scientists explains how they used sophisticated genetic analysis techniques to come up with new evidence supporting the view that Arabia was indeed the first place where our migrating ancestors settled.

According to one of the academics involved in the study, it is likely that they passed along the southern coast of the peninsula before crossing into the territory that today makes up the UAE.

Professor Martin Richards of the University of Leeds said: "The timing and pattern of the migration of early modern humans has been a source of much debate and research.

"Our new results suggest that Arabia, rather than North Africa or the Near East, was the first staging post in the spread of modern humans around the world."

The research was led by the by the UK's University of Leeds and the University of Porto in Portugal.

"A major unanswered question regarding the dispersal of modern humans around the world concerns the geographical site of the first steps out of Africa," said Dr Luísa Pereira, from Porto.

"One popular model predicts that the early stages of the dispersal took place across the Red Sea to southern Arabia, but direct genetic evidence has been thin on the ground."

To address this problem, the researchers used mitochondrial DNA analysis, which traces the female line of descent and is used to explore whether different populations are related.

They took samples of DNA from people living in different parts of the world and used the technique to peer back through time at the individuals' lineage. As they compared different lineages they eventually arrived back at a common ancestor - and discovered that the DNA profile of that ancestor survived in people living today in Arabia.

This suggests that billions of people around the world have an ancient ancestry in Arabia.

In some cases the common ancestor was found relatively recently (10,000 to 20,000 years back), but other lineages went much further - as far as 60,000 years back.

Prof Richards, from the University of Leeds, added: "We're looking at some particularly rare ones that are among the oldest, and what we've seen is that they seem to have their deepest ancestry in Arabia.

"Their ancestors then spread into the Near East and Europe rather than, for example, having ancestry in the Levant that then spread to Arabia and Europe. So that's the argument that supports the southern route - the deep ancestry in Arabia, rather than in the Near East."

He said further research into the male line of descent would be needed to provide additional support for the southern route theory.

"I wouldn't say the debate is completely finished, I'm sure people will argue about it, but for us our findings are quite compelling."

One academic who remains unconvinced is Dr Hamad Ben Saray, an associate professor at the history and archaeology department of Al Ain's United Arab Emirates University.

"We cannot be sure about this theory," he said. "We can't say from archaeological materials that we are sure 100 per cent. It is difficult to believe it. But even though it's not been proven we can't at the same time reject it."

The paper, Arabian cradle: Mitochondrial relicts of the first steps along the southern route out of Africa, has just been published in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

By Colin Simpson

Could the World All Be Genetically Arab, Says New DNA Evidence | Al Bawaba
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The Arabic language stems from the Aramaic language which precedes the Hebrew language.
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Jews can live with the Arabs in a land called Palestine, under Muslim rule. Since it has proved for centuries to be more humanitarian than Usrael. Or they can get the partition of 1948 minus Jerusalam which should be under Muslim rule and open to the 3 faiths as a pilgrimage and sacred place.
 
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they don't have "right to exist " , they have " power " and " support " for it ...

most of their supporters are from muslem world ....
 
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LMaooooooooooooooooooo the Quran refers to Israelites and then to Jews, it references them as two different groups. So the Quran is talking about the historical Israelites and not the modern Jews. Secondly the promise of the hereafter is being referenced is the return of Christ as Jesus is the Messiah that the Israelites were supposed to accept according to both Muslim and Christian theology. In fact Jews also believe in this but they one do not believe Jesus was their Messiah and two circumvented the concept to create Israel anyway as according to their theology it was their Messiah who was supposed to lead them back to Israel. That is why some orthodox Jewish groups reject Israel entirely.
Israelite's and Jews are Children of Israel (Jacob). The state of Israel is the land promised by God to the Children of Israel.
 
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