Do you agree with my thoughts on 'independency of mind '?

[Well.wisher]

there us nothing like freedom of thought this is a bs idea coined by the brilliant manupilator western society! mind will always be influenced by external factors...walk on the street and ull decision making will be influenced by your sorrundings stay at home your decision making will be influenced by your sorroundings...human mind will always ve influenced external factors thats how brian works!!

if one wants to be truly free he or she should be left alone in a box at time of birth with no interaction and then only one will be truly free! but is that choice smart or resulting decisions or as you call it freedom of thoughts will be rationale or smart! i dont think so thats why this whole idea or freedom of thought is bs!

western culture has total influence on our soceities (this whole idea of freedom of expression is also a western manipulatuve idea) so how is your idea or thought free when you yourself are taking insperation or inflience from their culture?

i was being respectful Ma'am was not spewing venom i was actually expressing my opinion isnt that the whole idea of so called freedom of expression or thought! you have right to disagree with me.

I'm less concentrated on disagreeing and arguing with people here .
It's just a step to know where I stand corrected and to get the critical analysis on what I think and follow without being judged personally or being bashed that your previous post implied .
I wanted a critical or favorable opinions .


Well, thanks all for your valuable input and insight.

 

[newb3e]

I'm less concentrated on disagreeing and arguing with people here .
It's just a step to know where I stand corrected and to get the critical analysis on what I think and follow without being judged personally or being bashed that your previous post implied .
I wanted a critical or favorable opinions .


Well, thanks all for your valuable input and insight.

no ones judging you okay yahan koi khuda nai hai keh judge karay! so relax!

okay please kindly explain what in your opinion is freedom or freedom of thought!

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Independent thinking is not allowed in most religious countries because people think if they allow such ideas they're going to have apostates running around here and there (which is sort of true). It's partially why philosophy never took off in the Islamic world. You can't have a specific set of beliefs and be ready to question it at the same time. Furthermore questioning and giving deep thought is something that our society itself doesn't encourage. If a common man started wondering why the wadera has power over him it'll break the "rules" of his community.

 

[El Sidd]

philosophy never took off in the Islamic world.

How ignorant are you and I am saying this with the freedom of thought and expression

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

How ignorant are you and I am saying this with the freedom of thought and expression

You don't have freedom of thought, everything you say is what you'd been told by your RAAAA handlers.

 

[RealNapster]

if one wants to be truly free he or she should be left alone in a box at time of birth with no interaction and then only one will be truly free

Even that will effect his mind and thoughts.

Hint : a frog from the well (kunwe ka mendak)

Btw, a good read.

 

[Dante80]

It's partially why philosophy never took off in the Islamic world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_philosophers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Islamic_philosophy

 

[313ghazi]

What in Pakistani education stops you people thinking freely?

Pakistani's on the internet are the biggest bunch of whingers I've come across, they don't seem pleased at anything, have only bad opinions on everyone and have no limit in expressing those thoughts. OK i agree you could replace the word Pakistani with any nation and it'd represent the same thing on the internet, but seriously - i can't understand how a Pakistani education stops you thinking freely?

Are you not taught science? Basic logic? Maths? When learning Urdu or English are you not taught to read a text and provide reasoning about something from it? Anyone with those basic skills can think freely.

Forgive me if I came across rude, it's not my intention, i just can't think of a better way of expressing my thoughts right now.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

What in Pakistani education stops you people thinking freely?

Pakistani's on the internet are the biggest bunch of whingers I've come across, they don't seem pleased at anything, have only bad opinions on everyone and have no limit in expressing those thoughts. OK i agree you could replace the word Pakistani with any nation and it'd represent the same thing on the internet, but seriously - i can't understand how a Pakistani education stops you thinking freely?

Are you not taught science? Basic logic? Maths? When learning Urdu or English are you not taught to read a text and provide reasoning about something from it? Anyone with those basic skills can think freely.

Forgive me if I came across rude, it's not my intention, i just can't think of a better way of expressing my thoughts right now.

What do you mean "stop us from thinking freely" ?
Ofcourse no one can stop us from thinking, unless they find a way to wiretap our brains or something.
We are talking about an environment where free/out of the box thinking is not PROMOTED. If you are familiar with our education system you'd know what I was talking about. Our local boards are completely based on what the book saya and rote learning. Students are only pushed towards learning what is expected to come in the exam. This raises completely brain-dead students. If a student's curiosity isn't triggered in school how do you expect to produce anything but engineers and doctors ?

 

[313ghazi]

What do you mean "stop us from thinking freely" ?
Ofcourse no one can stop us from thinking, unless they find a way to wiretap our brains or something.
We are talking about an environment where free/out of the box thinking is not PROMOTED. If you are familiar with our education system you'd know what I was talking about. Our local boards are completely based on what the book saya and rote learning. Students are only pushed towards learning what is expected to come in the exam. This raises completely brain-dead students. If a student's curiosity isn't triggered in school how do you expect to produce anything but engineers and doctors ?

I'm not familiar with it, which is why i guess i don't really understand the problem. Is this the same in higher education? In the UK upto GCSE level education is also guilty of being "taught to the test", but teachers would argue that's because the system only measures educational attainment by test scores. At university this is definitely not the case. I guess a distinction has to be made between sticking strictly to the boundaries of the curriculum and actually cheating by teaching kids what you predict will come on the exam. Are you suggesting in Pakistan they do the latter?

 

[M.AsfandYar]

I'm not familiar with it, which is why i guess i don't really understand the problem. Is this the same in higher education? In the UK upto GCSE level education is also guilty of being "taught to the test", but teachers would argue that's because the system only measures educational attainment by test scores. At university this is definitely not the case. I guess a distinction has to be made between sticking strictly to the boundaries of the curriculum and actually cheating by teaching kids what you predict will come on the exam. Are you suggesting in Pakistan they do the latter?

No, they dont do the latter.
But there is a problem with our education system in that it is more grade oriented. Which doesnt mean that knowledge or critical thinking is neglected .
I myslef coming from GCE O and Alevels struggled a lot in university for sole reason they a lot had been taught in FSC and matrix which wasnt part of A-Levels Syllabus and majority of any batch is from that background. And yes in GCE nowadays is also grade oriented and teachers are also trained such. Theory is shoved down a students throat and then comes Pastapers for the rest of year. And in my opinion this is far more damaging.
As for the claim Thinking out of Box not being promoted in Pakistan or in our schools,colleges and universities is in my personal experience completely bonkers. But then again i have always been blessed with great teachers. Of all the students i have met from different schools and colleges in multiple districts and provinces none would ever agree with our esteemed Lahori's claim.
I feel, going by her previous threads OP is prejudiced.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

I'm not familiar with it, which is why i guess i don't really understand the problem. Is this the same in higher education? In the UK upto GCSE level education is also guilty of being "taught to the test", but teachers would argue that's because the system only measures educational attainment by test scores. At university this is definitely not the case. I guess a distinction has to be made between sticking strictly to the boundaries of the curriculum and actually cheating by teaching kids what you predict will come on the exam. Are you suggesting in Pakistan they do the latter?

Yes that's how it is throughout in Pakistan. CIE exams have become immensely popular in because of private schools but they aren't any better either. The problem is people don't give education much regard. It'd be easy to blame the teachers for not getting the students interested in a topic but how can you expect the teachers to do so when they're being paid peanuts ? Some teachers of mine even used to do 12 hour jobs (multiple schools and then academies at night).

 

[El Sidd]

You don't have freedom of thought, everything you say is what you'd been told by your RAAAA handlers.

Says the sleeper cell of isi

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Says the sleeper cell of isi

Is deshat gardi kay peechay anday key zardi hai.

 

[El Sidd]

Is deshat gardi kay peechay anday key zardi hai.

Uska ghotala banne wala hai.

Phitai horahi hai roz ki mayaad pe