Do you agree with my thoughts on 'independency of mind '?

[Well.wisher]

I want to have my share of say on the thought I'm a strict follower of i. e ' Independency of mind ' . If we think over the definition of this word, it comes off as the state of mind that permits the person to have his own thoughts and beliefs without being affected by external judgements therefore, allowing the person to practice objectivity in thought development with integrity and grace .

If I were to chose the reforms to this nation's educational successes then I'll be wholeheartedly selecting ' Independency of mind ' to be practiced among our students in the educational process . Our educational system is full of flaws , dependency and bounding the mind is one of them . We do teach our future heroes the literature that's needed but unfortunately we're poor at developing their skills to formulate their own beliefs and thoughts or to let them practice their own way of thinking . The most worst is the fact that our educational teachers disown this independency of mind among students, it's like restricting them and dictating them to think what teachers want them to .

Independency of mind allows you to get whole new set of ideas , facts , changes and notions you learn from the world in your mind and then having the independency to conclude what is to be followed , agreed and what is to be disagreed and be cautious of , respectfully . Independency of mind enables us to arrive at our own beliefs , convictions and voice of our own so that we can truly think , believe and speak for our own selves . It's the acceptance of these all new things that's taking place in the world around us and it's as , not to be prejudiced and diffident towards the changes .

Unfortunately, in our soceity such independency is condemned to the core cause of our intolerance , religious bigotry , conservatism , insecurities and illiteracy that's why we see uproar against a person who holds a distinct views of thought , mashal khan being one of them .

It's one of the serious flaw of our educational system that we're taught to glorify an arab invader , muhammad bin qasim as our hero when infact his services are that of an invader and are not that of a hero. Furthermore , such doubts on him are discouraged and not allowed to be spoken in the educational institutes .. why ?? Cause we don't allow the independency of thoughts on several topics , religion being one of them . By showing our fears on religious topics , we come off as an insecure nation that has serious complexes to face .

If we are not gonna allow our students to have the independency of mind then how do you expect new ways of successes of this nation ? Or we still gonna follow the 17th century traditions and be a cavemen ? Do you not care to modify your thinking and learn new things ? Do you not care to apply logic and rationality in your lives ? Do you not care to transform your lives?
Think over it !

Do you think I'm going right way ?

@El Sidd @Joe Shearer @Kaptaan @HannibalBarca

 

[El Sidd]

Education system needs an overhaul and its long overdue ever since the early 90s.

However independence of mind or thought is a different matter altogether when it comes to These Woods.

However i strongly disagree with your Mohammed bin Qasim and his conquests as some barbaric Invader.

The society is being pulled from both sides of the extremes and this is what constitutes a Living Nation.

 

[Hareeb]

it comes off as the state of mind that permits the person to have his own thoughts and beliefs without being affected by external judgements therefore, allowing the person to practice objectivity in thought development with integrity and grace .

How can someone make a decision without being effected by an external event? Thoughts are just the ideas originate about an event through a certain mental process and the language is the way to express those ideas. We even have thoughts when there is no external event happened but to let us know that we are thinking, we still need language. There is no such thing as independency of thoughts.

Independency of mind allows you to get whole new set of ideas , facts , changes and notions you learn from the world in your mind and then having the independency to conclude what is to be followed , agreed and what is to be disagreed and be cautious of , respectfully . Independency of mind enables us to arrive at our own beliefs , convictions and voice of our own so that we can truly think , believe and speak for our own selves . It's the acceptance of these all new things that's taking place in the world around us and it's as , not to be prejudiced and diffident towards the changes .

Agar sb hi ne apni marzi krni ha to laws hi khatam kr do.

 

[Srinivas]

Rational thinking will lead to free minds.

 

[Well.wisher]

However independence of mind or thought is a different matter altogether when it comes to These Woods.
n.

Lets talk on this point . Do u think an individual mind should be independent while learning and should have the right to practice their own way of thinking ? Without being judged .

How can someone make a decision without being effected by an external event? Thoughts are just the ideas originate about an event through a certain mental process and the language is the way to express those ideas. We even have thoughts when there is no external event happened but to let us know that we are thinking, we still need language. There is no such thing as independency of thoughts.


Agar sb hi ne apni marzi krni ha to laws hi khatam kr do.

Laws and expressing thoughts are two different things .
You can still follow law and at same time express and practice your thinking just like the way they were formulated in objectivity .

 

[El Sidd]

Lets talk on this point . Do u think an individual mind should be independent while learning and should have the right to practice their own way of thinking ? Without being judged .

Freedom of thought und freedom of expression are two Basic fundamentals of learning and teaching.

Judgement is relative. Humans do Not have the capacity to judge independently without being influenced by their preconcieved notions.

The human brain or the subconscious mind judges before you even know. It is how it is.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

 

[Hareeb]

You can still follow law and at same time express and practice your thinking just like the way they were formulated in objectivity .

Right! But what if you and me are enemy and there comes a thought in my mind to kill you. Should I follow my thought or obey the law? Same was the case in Mashal Khan's murder. What if the mob had evidence that Mashal disobeyed the blasphemy law? I think they should had called the police rather than following their independence of mind.

 

[Well.wisher]

Right! But what if you and me are enemy and there comes a thought in my mind to kill you. Should I follow my thought or obey the law? Same was the case in Mashal Khan's murder. What if the mob had evidence that Mashal disobeyed the blasphemy law? I think they should had called the police rather than following their independence of mind.

Please read my post again .
I'm talking in context of learning and education .

 

[Hareeb]

in our soceity such independency is condemned to the core cause of our intolerance , religious bigotry , conservatism , insecurities and illiteracy that's why we see uproar against a person who holds a distinct views of thought , mashal khan being one of them

Please read my post again .
I'm talking in context of learning and education .

Like seriously?
Btw the mob which lynched Mashal included students too.

 

[newb3e]

this brilliant thought experiment was influenced by western society yes we give you freedom of thought without our bs culture influencing you! yes go on and claim you make decisions without any influence but in reality we the western culture has total and complete control over your thought!!!

Another gem by great member!

 

[Well.wisher]

in our soceity such independency is condemned to the core cause of our intolerance , religious bigotry , conservatism , insecurities and illiteracy that's why we see uproar against a person who holds a distinct views of thought , mashal khan being one of them

Like seriously?
Btw the mob which lynched Mashal included students too.

You're taking it in a nagative context all over .

Independence of mind is a state that allows u to formulate your own ideas and notions you learn from the world , it's as not to stop learning and express and agree or disagree with integrity and grace .
It isn't as breaking the laws or killing someone .
Learning and Accepting other people's ideas is extremely crucial to have such state of mind .
So your argument about mashal's killers doesn't comes in contradicting independence of mind as they don't stand as applicable to such thought.

this brilliant thought experiment was influenced by western society yes we give you freedom of thought without our bs culture influencing you! yes go on and claim you make decisions without any influence but in reality we the western culture has total and complete control over your thought!!!

Another gem by great member!

Thats it ? That's all you could come up with ?
What's your prejudice with the west and my posts ?

I'm free to formulate my such ideas and express my thoughts because that's how my mind works not because it's dictated by certain part of world .
If u don't have the capability to understand how human mind works, kindly stop spewing venom
here .

 

[zip]

I want to have my share of say on the thought I'm a strict follower of i. e ' Independency of mind ' . If we think over the definition of this word, it comes off as the state of mind that permits the person to have his own thoughts and beliefs without being affected by external judgements therefore, allowing the person to practice objectivity in thought development with integrity and grace .

If I were to chose the reforms to this nation's educational successes then I'll be wholeheartedly selecting ' Independency of mind ' to be practiced among our students in the educational process . Our educational system is full of flaws , dependency and bounding the mind is one of them . We do teach our future heroes the literature that's needed but unfortunately we're poor at developing their skills to formulate their own beliefs and thoughts or to let them practice their own way of thinking . The most worst is the fact that our educational teachers disown this independency of mind among students, it's like restricting them and dictating them to think what teachers want them to .

Independency of mind allows you to get whole new set of ideas , facts , changes and notions you learn from the world in your mind and then having the independency to conclude what is to be followed , agreed and what is to be disagreed and be cautious of , respectfully . Independency of mind enables us to arrive at our own beliefs , convictions and voice of our own so that we can truly think , believe and speak for our own selves . It's the acceptance of these all new things that's taking place in the world around us and it's as , not to be prejudiced and diffident towards the changes .

Unfortunately, in our soceity such independency is condemned to the core cause of our intolerance , religious bigotry , conservatism , insecurities and illiteracy that's why we see uproar against a person who holds a distinct views of thought , mashal khan being one of them .

It's one of the serious flaw of our educational system that we're taught to glorify an arab invader , muhammad bin qasim as our hero when infact his services are that of an invader and are not that of a hero. Furthermore , such doubts on him are discouraged and not allowed to be spoken in the educational institutes .. why ?? Cause we don't allow the independency of thoughts on several topics , religion being one of them . By showing our fears on religious topics , we come off as an insecure nation that has serious complexes to face .

If we are not gonna allow our students to have the independency of mind then how do you expect new ways of successes of this nation ? Or we still gonna follow the 17th century traditions and be a cavemen ? Do you not care to modify your thinking and learn new things ? Do you not care to apply logic and rationality in your lives ? Do you not care to transform your lives?
Think over it !

Do you think I'm going right way ?

@El Sidd @Joe Shearer @Kaptaan @HannibalBarca

If you want independent thinking in personal level then you don't need anyone's permission but if you want society to change then it depends on things which may be out of your control ..Human being a social and spiritual entity struggles for his independence of thinking but most of them surrender this struggle and be happy with already established societal norms .. You can't expect any thrust from them towards development but some of them are useful in preserving whatever little things human mind achieved towards it's independence or interdependence..All successful religions are nothing but an attempt to preserve independence of human individuality amidst unavoidable interdependence..If you choose your own path and struggle you may understand the real values of religious paths and their advantage , drawbacks ..Every single soul wants to maintain it's individuality of thinking but it is it's ability which determines how long it can entertain it ..

 

[newb3e]

You're taking it in a nagative context all over .

Independence of mind is a state that allows u to formulate your own ideas and notions you learn from the world , it's as not to stop learning and express and agree or disagree with integrity and grace .
It isn't as breaking the laws or killing someone .
Learning and Accepting other people's ideas is extremely crucial to have such state of mind .
So your argument about mashal's killers doesn't comes in contradicting independence of mind as they don't stand as applicable to such thought.


Thats it ? That's all you could come up with ?
What's your prejudice with the west and my posts ?

I'm free to formulate my such ideas and express my thoughts because that's how my mind works not because it's dictated by certain part of world .
If u don't have the capability to understand how human mind works, kindly stop spewing venom
here .

there us nothing like freedom of thought this is a bs idea coined by the brilliant manupilator western society! mind will always be influenced by external factors...walk on the street and ull decision making will be influenced by your sorrundings stay at home your decision making will be influenced by your sorroundings...human mind will always ve influenced external factors thats how brian works!!

if one wants to be truly free he or she should be left alone in a box at time of birth with no interaction and then only one will be truly free! but is that choice smart or resulting decisions or as you call it freedom of thoughts will be rationale or smart! i dont think so thats why this whole idea or freedom of thought is bs!

western culture has total influence on our soceities (this whole idea of freedom of expression is also a western manipulatuve idea) so how is your idea or thought free when you yourself are taking insperation or inflience from their culture?

i was being respectful Ma'am was not spewing venom i was actually expressing my opinion isnt that the whole idea of so called freedom of expression or thought! you have right to disagree with me.

 

[Dante80]

this brilliant thought experiment was influenced by western society yes we give you freedom of thought without our bs culture influencing you! yes go on and claim you make decisions without any influence but in reality we the western culture has total and complete control over your thought!!!

Another gem by great member!

That is a pretty bad take. Freedom of thought and expression is neither a modern concept, nor strictly a western influence driver.