Disturbing narrative developing in the #US for #Pakistan.

[Stephen Cohen]

The word "Yes" can have many, many permutations. His "Yes" could have been -

(i) Pakistan will help the interests of USA - specifically support/enable Al-Qaeda being destroyed inside Afghanistan including if needed the Taliban government.

(ii) USA will work with Pakistan making sure that Pakistan's interests are secured at all times - specifically making sure that no group or groups that are opposed to Pakistan do not take over or have any influence in Kabul post Taliban being toppled from power. Pakistan will insist brigade of SSG will accompany US forces to secure Kabul once Taliban is toppled to (a) protect the Pashtuns from Northern Alliance (Tajiks) reprisals (b) to prevent any group hostile to Pakistan entering Kabul.

This is called "you scratch my back and I will scratch yours". Not I scratch your back but you fcuk me in the back". Can you imagine USA helping Pakistan to topple Mexican government and replace it with a government in Mexico City that detests America and invites Iran as a ally?

This is is something faggots like Gen. Mattis don't think when they mouth rubbish. To be honest whatever aid Pakistan has got is not worth having lost strategic ground to India. You can't expect any country to chop off it's own ballz. As I said the American's got a better deal -- thanks to that limp traitor Musharaf.

Thanks to him we face nightmare today on out western border. When we have heroes like Musharaf who needs enemies?

Just one little reminder

Even today with CPEC and all , your exports to USA are double than that
of your exports to China

Similarly for IMF loans and the Commercial loans that you take from
European Banks ; a US Veto will stop them completely

There was NO way in hell that Gen MUsharraf could have got better terms from USA

And soon after 9/11 ; one A Q Khan scandal broke out in 2002

That COMPLETELY destroyed your leverage with USA

Pakistan barely escaped a " Punishment " in AQ Khan affair
due to its help in Afghanistan

Remember that Axis of Evil speech by BUSH

After A Q Khan scandal ; that axis had reached Pakistan

 

[wiseone2]

Only this time USA entry will change the things .

USA backed Pakistan during the cold war against larger India. It was an equalizer for Pakistan.
USA support for larger India will tilt the playing field towards India for good. Whether USA avoids the decisive tilt towards India depends upon Pakistani behavior.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Just one little reminder

It's question of who blinks first. Pakistan could have given a "Yes but please" not "Yes sir please fcuk me over now". I accept Pakistan was not in a position to gouge USA given the circumstances prevailing. However I am not suggesting that Mush should have demanded something that was contrary to US interests. What was US interest? Primarily OBL and secondly to shaft Taliban for having given OBL refuge. When I said "Yes" that is giving them what they want. If you wanted that and I gave you that and then I said "oh by the way please can you make sure you don't end up screwing me by placing my enemies in power". That's not hurting your interest. You will say "look I want OBL/Talivan. Rest of the mess you can have it your way as long asit does not hurt us.

Don't forget Pak had nuclear weapons. It's not as easy as "simply bombing Pak into stone age". If you were the negotiator on US side and I said to you "look you can have OBL/Taliban but we need to make sure our enemies don't take over Kabul". What would you say? No we are going to get OBL/Talivan (which you have agreed with) but we also want to place Northern Alliance in Kabul (which you don't agree) and for the latter we are prepared to destroy a nuclear state of 190 million people with the nuclear fallout that would entail?

Are you suggesting for sake of NA USA would have destroyed a nuclear state creating a nightmare scenario with WMD ending up in loose hands? Fact was Mush did not have the chestnuts and caved in under US pressure as Washington no doubt was pissed off bad style post 9/11. Had it been Gen. Zia (who was slippery and tough) he would have extracted a more fair deal instead of capitulating. From my reading I have formed the opinion that Mush was timid in a battle case situation and this had been seen not long before that at Kargil where he lost the bottle after initiating the attack. Then got into a "your fault, my fault" with Nawaz Sharif and ended beating him which required no bravery.

 

[Khanate]

No state is too big for US to devastate - should it go down that route (God forbid). I have openly stated before and I will repeat it here: should US and Pakistan fight a full-scale war - Pakistan would be history. Therefore, it is the responsibility of every Pakistani to avert a major tragedy in the region.

Don't mind confidence of some Pakistani members here - they are often in emotional frame of mind and mostly reacting to American threats. Understandable.

Pak - US relations are far from perfect but they are a reality and both have benefited from it in different ways. This relationship is currently on a downward spiral but it can re-bounce.

My complaint is that Pakistan does not have a sound foreign policy for the US and this needs to change. I am rooting for total revamp of Pakistani foreign policy vis-a-vis US and WEST in general.

Pakistan and US - both are invested in Afghanistan and cannot escape from this reality. Both need to sit down and revisit their terms of engagement for this matter instead of engaging in needless blame-game exercise.

Blame-game exercise will benefit no one.

Rationally speaking, one can list a slew of reasons as to why war with Pakistan is an absurd idea however the fact is the reasons for a war are simply not there.

Focusing on U.S. in Afghanistan, I've said it before and I'll repeat again: If it was only about U.S. in Afghanistan, Pakistan wouldn't hesitate to cut a deal. We did before in 2001 under Musharraf however once India enters the picture then the equation changes.

Lastly, if Pakistanis want real change in foreign policy then we need an overhaul of the Foreign Service. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

 

[wiseone2]

I certainly doubt that. Not even the most biased of non-desi commentators would make that assessment.
India and Indians are essentially more hateful and bigoted; extremists and religious fanatics are now heroes and common human decency is now discarded under the excuse of "It is our time".

Caste and Communal riots existed in the 1980s in India. Bhiwandi, Bhagalpur and Assam were as bad as Gujarat
The Congress Party practiced caste and communal politics underneath the table.

It is a matter of perspective. For Pakistanis you will point out the BJP is ruling India. The Congress Party has been in slow decline since 1967. The BJP has finally replaced them for good in the 21st century.

What has changed ?? two things.
Facebook, Youtube, smart phones and satellite TV !!! It have given the nutcases a megaphone.

Population growth has pushed competition for scarce resources. You have not seen the full blown impact of the competition

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

US bet on the wrong horse when it trusted Pakistan. Better late than never to correct that mistake.

Now you are betting the right horse India so good luck.

Why doesn't Pakistan release a report on Pakistani efforts against terrorism since 2001 and put an end to all accusations? Let concrete evidences refute allegations, if they are baseless.

And I have expressed (time and again) here that we need a foreign policy for US and Afghanistan. We cannot ignore these states and/or their complaints for long.

They are not blind they are doing all this intentionally we cannot fulfill their demands as they demand that we should surrender our nuclear asset to them and scale down our Army.Can we afford this ?

 

[Musafir117]

what are you smoking these days?

Don't ask them what they smoking ask them what they drinking, well, you know already

 

[The Accountant]

"Disturbing" or factual?

Finally the truth is coming out.........

Foreign Policy is anyway handled by GHQ

So why blame Nawaz Sharif

Anyway this had to happen one day

Pakistan is working and investing on sealing the border with Afghanistan on the contrary Afghanistan is opposing that and US is showing no interest ... Doesn't it runs any bell ?

If Pakistan is sending terrorists then it would have been other way around ...

Truth is US and Afghanistan are shifting blame of their failures ...

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Don't ask them what they smoking ask them what they drinking, well, you know already

 

[Mav3rick]

US bet on the wrong horse when it trusted Pakistan. Better late than never to correct that mistake.

On the contrary, the US made a wrong bet when it 'forced' Pakistan into this terror war instead of taking Pakistan onboard as a partner and making sure that any action in Afghanistan was long lasting, to the benefit of Afghans and also not to the detriment of Pakistan.

What US did was to force Pakistan, on the one hand, to go to war based on US diktat, a mistake which cost us dearly in the long run......on the other hand, the US gave a free hand to India to carry out anti-Pakistan activities, in connivance with US puppet government in Afghanistan that struggles to control 30% of Afghanistan. Both have cost us enormously, more than all other participating nations combined. And yet it is demanded that we do more instead of listening to logic and reason.

This is tame, US news channels discuss this every now and then- most strategic thinkers in the West know Pakistan is a menace but there is ZERO will to do anything about it.

That said, if the US/Trump is serious about "dealing" with N.Korea as a Pakistani I would be worried because Pakistan would be next.

Let the US deal with Afghanistan first, let alone North Korea or Iran.

Anyway, I believe that the US has more benefit in a friendly Pakistan than an anti-Pakistan.

It's not Fox News that sends Predator drones to bomb Pakistanis, launches military operations across the border, refuse to release military equipment already paid for or withhold money owed to you in reimbursement.

All the above, and more, due to our own policies.

The drones were allowed to operate, first to gather intel and then to take out targets. When we open such a door, it is not easy to close it.

Something else, off the topic though, is a fact that the US is arming India. India is getting high end US equipment of which there is a higher probability that it will be used against Pakistan rather than China. Is that what allies do? Shouldn't we start selling weapons to US enemies?

Israel too arms the Indians, shouldn't we start providing weapons to Palestinians and people under illegal occupation of Israel? Should we not give these 2 countries a taste of their own medicine?

 

[Mav3rick]

Oh okay, so OBL was in Pakistan for 10+ years, living down the road from one of Pakistan's most secure sites.

Just sheer incompetence on Pakistan's part then?

Do you really expect anyone with more than half a brain to accept the "official" narrative from Pakistan?

Have you ever bothered to read the 'official' narrative of the US Government on the matter?

 

[SHAH820]

Isko per ke reply kerna:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/spotlight/binladenfiles/

lol aljazeera, don't you have brain or common sense to give answers to my simple questions ??
and also aljazeera stated north korean nuclear scientist were found in india looks like noth korea got their nukes from india
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...-north-korean-connection-160620195559208.html
and this ISIS commander is an american so what you want me to believe
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/isis-military-commander-blackwater/

you still haven't given me those answers next time give me those answers then reply now go and search world most ignorant people you will be surprise

 

[Aasimkhan]

Nothing to worry, it was expected, US is nobody's friend. US is just an extension of dream of Satanic Rule of Zionists on the world. Pakistan has no worrys as long as our nuclear programme is alive and kicking. We can shove any Motha Fuka back into its mams warm womb may it be India or USA.

 

[waz]

Well this isn't new nor is it a revelation. The question is just how will the Afghan situation get better if Pakistan is hounded upon? It never will at this rate.

 

[The Accountant]

Well this isn't new nor is it a revelation. The question is just how will the Afghan situation get better if Pakistan is hounded upon? It never will at this rate.

They never wanted the Afghanistan condition to get better otherwise they would have never encourged India which is the main raise of this complications ...

An unstable Afghanistan is providing them reason to stay on the region ,,, why will they left a place from where they can monitor 4 out of 8 nuclear states out of which 2 are the ompetitors , third is one of closest ally of competitor and only muslim country with Nuclear power (although even remotely not possible but if somehow Muslims get united then nuclear umbrella will be provided but this third country ) So a check on Pakistan is necessarya nd ofz India could be next in competition in future ...

Why would America want Afghanistan to be stable and to elave Afghanistan ? This all bashing is for consumption of tax payers ...