Discuss PN potential up-gradation of FFGs

[Penguin]

ASW capability of FFGs.

The frigate will be refurbished with anti-submarine missile and other latest systems at a cost of $ 65 million.

This is a 2 year old source and now the cost of refurbishment have been raised from 65 to 78 million dollars. Meaning more systems and up gradation of existing systems would be performed.

Interestingly, In 90s FFG-08 were upgraded with SQQ-89 V2 ASW Combat System.






IMO for PN FFG refurbishments, the SQQ-89(V)2 will be upgraded to SQQ-89(V)10 configuration.
Interestingly The USN DDG and CG have been recently upgraded to (V) 15 configuration.

The SQR-19 for PN FFGS may also be upgraded to further configuration which will provide enhanced capability.

SH-60B could most likely be PN answer for FFG LAMPS.

Another interesting element to the subject.




As indicated in above sources, PN FFG will be upgraded with anti-submarine missiles. The most likely choice is the VL RUM-139 ASROC meaning VLS MK41 will be installed for this purpose.

Stick with discussion potential upgrades: you're talking about the possible sonar again as if they certain to happen (while in fact details are as yet unknown)

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Stick with discussion potential upgrades: you're talking about the possible sonar again as if they certain to happen (while in fact details are as yet unknown)

Kindly re read the last post which clearly states Sonar, sonar CM, TAS, LAMPS, TACTAS etc already exists in current serving USN FFGs.
Its most likely that few more systems regarding ASW may be added and this is the whole point of the discussion.

 

[Penguin]

Kindly re read the last post which clearly states Sonar, sonar CM, TAS, LAMPS, TACTAS etc already exists in current serving USN FFGs.
Its most likely that few more systems regarding ASW may be added and this is the whole point of the discussion.

PN FFG will be upgraded with anti-submarine missiles?
VLS MK41 will be installed?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

PN FFG will be upgraded with anti-submarine missiles?
VLS MK41 will be installed?

Yaar, this is merely my own opinion based on APP source.
If PN wants to raise its FFG ASW hunting capability then RUM-139 will most likely be installed. I am sure US has enough used VLS MK-41 stocks.

 

[Archie]

will the 8 OHP Frigate replace the 6 Tariq class destroyers or are u guys planning to operate both till 2025
My question is becoz Tariq class is between 32-35 yrs old
and the uss mckniery which u guys are acquiring is also 32 yrs old
by the time u get 8 frigates , will be 2015-16 , and mcniery would be nearly 40yrs old

 

[Myth_buster_1]

will the 8 OHP Frigate replace the 6 Tariq class destroyers or are u guys planning to operate both till 2025
My question is becoz Tariq class is between 32-35 yrs old
and the uss mckniery which u guys are acquiring is also 32 yrs old
by the time u get 8 frigates , will be 2015-16 , and mcniery would be nearly 40yrs old

Tariq class technically are frigates not destroyers and will be phased out within couple of years. According to American sources, 8 OHP will be delivered in 2012-14 not 2016. OHPs capability should not be judged by its age rather technical specs of it.
Btw ONLY FFG-08 will be oldest of its class while the other 7 will be probably 5-7 years younger.

 

[Penguin]

the other 7 will be probably 5-7 years younger.

If you're lucky. More likely - in view of commissioning dates and hence age of USN operated ships - will be less age difference.

 

[Penguin]

The $1.4 billion (for 4 ships!) Australian FFG Upgrade Program involves:

* Replacing the command and control system with the Australian Distributed Architecture Combat System (ADACS) which will provide enhanced situational awareness and tactical functionality

* Upgrading the SPS-49 Surveillance Radar from the (V)4 standard to the SPS-49A (V)1. This version of the radar provides superior Moving Target Indication and Doppler measurement performance, providing for better, earlier, initial detection of incoming missiles.

* Modernising the Mk 92 Mod2 Fire Control System to Mod 12

* Installing an 8-Cell Mk 41 Vertical Launch System to handle ESSM

* Replacing the AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Surveillance System with the Israeli C-Pearl ESM

* Installing Link-16 to complement the existing Link-11 tactical data link

* Replacing Hull Mounted Raytheon MF Sonar SQS-56 with the largely locally developed Thales Spherion MF Sonar, also installed on the Anzac Class ships

* Installing the locally developed Thales PETREL Mine and Obstacle Avoidance Sonar, and incorporating a Torpedo Defence System.

The ships' hulls will also be strengthened and ballast moved and added to compensate for the new mass distribution, while their diesel generator prime movers will be replaced as will static frequency converters. When the upgrade is completed each ship will weigh 4,200 tonnes, 100 tonnes more than at present.

Prior to the upgrade program, notable improvements were made over the years including
* improving the performance of the tactical data system,
* using as a tool the Navy's Combat Data System Centre in Fyshwick, ACT,
* incorporation of Link 11,
* installation of the Phalanx Close-In Weapon System,
* addition of the Nulka off- board RF EW decoy,
* improved communications and, most recently,
* the addition of an Electro-Optical Tracking System (EOTS).

The decision of the Defence Capability Review to incorporate the more powerful SM-2 anti-aircraft missile follows earlier studies. It will involve modifying the GMLS Mk 13 launcher with ORDALT kits supplied by the OEM. Since the kits may take up to 18 months for delivery from first order, this work will be undertaken as a separate contract and not under the FFG Upgrade contract.

Introducing the SM-2 anti-aircraft missile to the FFG (for the first time) suggests a pretty advanced AAW capability, but its inclusion is more to do with the unsupportability of the SM-1, which was moving into obsolescence as these ships were built.

SM-2 in its various operational guises is a much more capable missile than SM-1 and with improvements to the FFG's sensors being introduced during the upgrade considerable advantage will be taken of the SM-2's capabilities although this is unlikely to extend to mid-course guidance.

The forward-mounted Mk 41 vertical launch system that is to be installed has been designed to accommodate ESSM not SM-2, hence the need to modify the Mk 13 'one-arm-bandit' rail launcher, until now used for Harpoon and SM-1.

From: ADM: Upgrade aims for an effective, if smaller, FFG fleet.