Difference between Indian and Chinese Rail Transport

[Bilal9]

 

[Cheepek]

Haha that image on the right in the thumbnail is from Bangladesh.
Waste of effort by a latrine cleaning Rajakaar

 

[S10]

Obviously Indian railway is superior because it can carry 5X the designed capacity.

 

[-=virus=-]

it's true but, our railways are horrible.. stations stink of pee, the cars are not the cleanest, horrible toilets where your pee/poop goes on the tracks, yuck.

Last I went on a train was early 2000s.. some say things have improved, doubt it.

If you're not feeling too fussy but, there is a lot of charm there in the old world ways of the Indian Railways. Some of the scenery (like on the Konkan track) is absolutely breathtaking, and overall fun if you book 1st class or in a better cabin.

 

[Black Tornado]

The thumbnail pic and footage is from Bangladesh, our majority of rail lines are electrified and hence no one can travel on rooftop.

Also these gora vloggers should stfu

 

[ThunderCat]

The train systems just represent the contrasting state of these two countries. Why do people even compare them.

One country brought overpopulation under control, while the other subconsciously grows it by producing more and more food.

 

[dbc]

not another white monkey video. He is mocking US rail when it's the most profitable industry in the US. While Chinese HSR has 2 trillion USD of debt and is making huge losses every year.

Railroads are USA’s most profitable industry with a 50% profit margin

The US economy is colossal. In fact, it represents more than 20% (1/5th) of the entire global economy. So, with corporate profits generally on the up, what industries are the biggest profit-makers? And which are making a loss?

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For the nation as a whole, profit margins generally sit at about 9% (8.89% to be precise), however, in transport, specifically railroads, this stands at 50.93%, the highest in the US. Recent research from Comparisun has now revealed the profit margins for almost a hundred industries, exposing those who have the highest and lowest profit margins: The USA’s Most Profitable Industries (and average profit margin) Transportation (Railroads), 50.93% Real Estate (General/Diversified), 41.23% Tobacco, 31.42% Banks (Regional), 28.99% Cable TV, 25.44% Investments & Asset Management, 24.52% R.E.I.T, 24.44% Beverages (Alcoholic), 21.47% Semiconductor, 21.47% Bank (Money Center), 21.46%

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[MH.Yang]

not another white monkey video. He is mocking US rail when it's the most profitable industry in the US. While Chinese HSR has 2 trillion USD of debt and is making huge losses every year.

Railroads are USA’s most profitable industry with a 50% profit margin

The US economy is colossal. In fact, it represents more than 20% (1/5th) of the entire global economy. So, with corporate profits generally on the up, what industries are the biggest profit-makers? And which are making a loss?

ajot.com

For the nation as a whole, profit margins generally sit at about 9% (8.89% to be precise), however, in transport, specifically railroads, this stands at 50.93%, the highest in the US. Recent research from Comparisun has now revealed the profit margins for almost a hundred industries, exposing those who have the highest and lowest profit margins: The USA’s Most Profitable Industries (and average profit margin) Transportation (Railroads), 50.93% Real Estate (General/Diversified), 41.23% Tobacco, 31.42% Banks (Regional), 28.99% Cable TV, 25.44% Investments & Asset Management, 24.52% R.E.I.T, 24.44% Beverages (Alcoholic), 21.47% Semiconductor, 21.47% Bank (Money Center), 21.46%

I can tell you frankly. In China, not only HSR, motor car, ART, light rail, urban rail, ordinary train, subway, bus, long-distance bus, etc., all passenger transport projects lose money except freight business, but we don't care.

Because the Chinese believe that these public transport should have been operated at a loss. The govt should pay for the infrastructure, not the people. If these public transport can make money, it should be blamed.



BTW: All HSR projects resulted in a debt of 5.28 trillion CNY (852 billion US dollars) to the Ministry of transportation. I don't know where the author got the $1.8 trillion data.
And all these debts are domestic debts. China's HSR, from the underwear of high-speed rail workers to the HSR engine, is made locally in China. Every penny we spend will enter China's economic cycle. This money will only stimulate China's economic development, not inflation. Because China's industrial productivity is surplus.




Why does China's public transport operate at a loss?
This is a train ticket for 2017. The train ticket from Taishan city to Shanggao city. The distance between them is about 100 km. The ticket price is equivalent to US $0.15(1 CNY). China has always refused to privatize enterprises such as railway hospitals in order to enable the people to enjoy these resources at a low price.

 

[Wood]

The new trainsets that are under construction are much better for India. The tracks are also getting improved for speed. Maybe by the end of this decade, trains will be completely overhauled

 

[Mrityunjay Rai]

it's true but, our railways are horrible.. stations stink of pee, the cars are not the cleanest, horrible toilets where your pee/poop goes on the tracks, yuck.

Last I went on a train was early 2000s.. some say things have improved, doubt it.

If you're not feeling too fussy but, there is a lot of charm there in the old world ways of the Indian Railways. Some of the scenery (like on the Konkan track) is absolutely breathtaking, and overall fun if you book 1st class or in a better cabin.

On one hand you say that you have not travelled in Indian railways since last 20 years, still you have audacity to comment.


I hope YouTube is not blocked where you live. Kindly have a look at present state of IR and then comment.

Beta billu,
aaj kitni Chaddi sili ?

 

[dbc]

I can tell you frankly. In China, not only HSR, motor car, ART, light rail, urban rail, ordinary train, subway, bus, long-distance bus, etc., all passenger transport projects lose money except freight business, but we don't care.

Because the Chinese believe that these public transport should have been operated at a loss. The govt should pay for the infrastructure, not the people. If these public transport can make money, it should be blamed.



BTW: All HSR projects resulted in a debt of 5.28 trillion CNY (852 billion US dollars) to the Ministry of transportation. I don't know where the author got the $1.8 trillion data.
And all these debts are domestic debts. China's HSR, from the underwear of high-speed rail workers to the HSR engine, is made locally in China. Every penny we spend will enter China's economic cycle. This money will only stimulate China's economic development, not inflation. Because China's industrial productivity is surplus.

point is HSR is economically unviable except on routes connecting high population density locations. It generates massive employment since it requires infrastructure, rail lines, bridges and tunnels. It doesn't stop there, once built since wear and tear is significantly higher on HSR lines it requires a lot of maintenance. This model is unsustainable in the US and will prove unsustainable in China over time - unless, abundant low cost energy becomes available and dramatic improvements in MTBF (serviceability) is delivered soon . Another important factor, you can not move freight over HSR lines since it isn't designed to support heavy loads, it's designed for speed. True, it's domestic debt but internal debt cannot be magicked away - it circulates within the system causing drag, head winds for future growth.

Finally, the estimated 2 trillion dollar liability includes loans taken by provincial governments in support of rail infrastructure it is not limited to the liability of state run railway corporation.

 

[GreatHanWarrior]

point is HSR is economically unviable except on routes connecting high population density locations. It generates massive employment since it requires infrastructure, rail lines, bridges and tunnels. It doesn't stop there, once built since wear and tear is significantly higher on HSR lines it requires a lot of maintenance. This model is unsustainable in the US and will prove unsustainable in China over time - unless, abundant low cost energy becomes available and dramatic improvements in MTBF (serviceability) is delivered soon . Another important factor, you can not move freight over HSR lines since it isn't designed to support heavy loads, it's designed for speed. True, it's domestic debt but internal debt cannot be magicked away - it circulates within the system causing drag, head winds for future growth.

Finally, the estimated 2 trillion dollar liability includes loans taken by provincial governments in support of rail infrastructure it is not limited to the liability of state run railway corporation.

Even the US has HSR?

 

[-=virus=-]

On one hand you say that you have not travelled in Indian railways since last 20 years, still you have audacity to comment.

True, bhot time ho gya since a proper rail journey.

Will have to check for myself what, if any, improvements have been made there.

 

[dbc]

Even the US has HSR?

nope because we can't turn a profit on it and unlike China, the US government will not subsidize it, unless someone makes a case linking HSR to national security like the CHIPS Act.

 

[MH.Yang]

point is HSR is economically unviable except on routes connecting high population density locations. It generates massive employment since it requires infrastructure, rail lines, bridges and tunnels. It doesn't stop there, once built since wear and tear is significantly higher on HSR lines it requires a lot of maintenance. This model is unsustainable in the US and will prove unsustainable in China over time - unless, abundant low cost energy becomes available and dramatic improvements in MTBF (serviceability) is delivered soon . Another important factor, you can not move freight over HSR lines since it isn't designed to support heavy loads, it's designed for speed. True, it's domestic debt but internal debt cannot be magicked away - it circulates within the system causing drag, head winds for future growth.

Finally, the estimated 2 trillion dollar liability includes loans taken by provincial governments in support of rail infrastructure it is not limited to the liability of state run railway corporation.

First, HSR is feasible in China.

Secondly, freight transport is profitable in China.

Third, the property rights of HSR and supporting facilities belong to the Ministry of communications. The local govt does not assume any debt.