DG ISPR trolling Indians : Pouring salt over Indian's wounds

[Sidacca]

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[Basel]

Thats what I am telling you, there were 12 Mirage 2000, but only 6 bombs were dropped.

Rest of them had the role of CAP, providing Cover to aircrafts returning from their bombing run.

I Netra AWACS provided the Radar cover.

Compared to that PAF had to use 24 aircrafts for 3 PAF aircrafts to intrude into Indian airspace.

Still twisting facts, why you Indian are habitual about it.

M2Ks ran away as PAF had scrambled it ADA birds, also your MKIs we're providing escort from inside IOK as your IAF also see them as mini AWACS, IAF and PAF both deployed packages in similar way but PAF executed it well and it's bait tactics worked, while IAF's bait tactics failed many times before 26 Feb ops, IAF was continuously trying to lure PAF in their trap on IB by sending packages to very aggressive positions.

 

[Osiris]

Still twisting facts, why you Indian are habitual about it.

M2Ks ran away as PAF had scrambled it ADA birds, also your MKIs we're providing escort from inside IOK as your IAF also see them as mini AWACS, IAF and PAF both deployed packages in similar way but PAF executed it well and it's bait tactics worked, while IAF's bait tactics failed many times before 26 Feb ops, IAF was continuously trying to lure PAF in their trap on IB by sending packages to very aggressive positions.

There were 12 Mirages involved in the operation..a total of 6 spike bombs were dropped..a 2 bombs per mirage..that is 3 aircraft.

Do you know what was the role of other 9 aircrafts?

 

[Basel]

There were 12 Mirages involved in the operation..a total of 6 spike bombs were dropped..a 2 bombs per mirage..that is 3 aircraft.

Do you know what was the role of other 9 aircrafts?

Still talking about the package which crossed the border.

Don't try to twist things here, can you tell me how many PAF jets crossed LOC???

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

PAF strike package was never challenged ... it was the escort aircrafts that were challenged as they were waiting for mistake by IAF ... in India Pak scenario in the presence of SOW it is almost impossible to protect areas within 100 km of borders without taking too many risk and PAF proved that they have more nerves as 26th was a surprise but despite being warned IAF not only fallen into a trap on 27th but was so confused that they killed one of own bird ...

Case on mki is still not clear specially with relevance to death of mki pilot in road accident within a few days ...

Furthermore there is no much defense by indians on no or aircraft going down but all defence was on takingbdown F16s which was a lie again ... apparently there r lot of flaws in story of IAF v/s PAF

The strike package was challenged by the Mig 21s which were being chased out by the Mig 21s. It is during this hot pursuit of the PAF planes being chased out by the IAF that one Mig 21 mistakenly entered the Pak airspace and got shot down.

And yes despite being warned on 27th, the IAF response to the PAF was a mess, and that is admittedly a failure of the IAF but at least there was a response by the IAF. On 26th, the PAF did not even respond, just sat baxk and let the Indian planes bomb across the international border and leave. Don't forget Pakistan bombed across the LoC whereas India bombed Pakistan across the international border. Thos are two very different things.

As for the conspiracy theories about the Su 30 Mki pilot. You can keep coming up with things but no one outside Pakistan is believing it. And the onus of proving the F-16 was on India since it was an Indian claim but the onus of proving the Su 30 kill was on Pakistan since it was a Pakistani claim. The IAF provided whatever proof they could of downing the F16, circumstantial and inconclusive proof though it may be. Pakistan has not provided even an iota of proof, direct or circumstantial of its claim of downing the Su 30.

 

[Osiris]

Still talking about the package which crossed the border.

Don't try to twist things here, can you tell me how many PAF jets crossed LOC???

As per Pakistan ..none. As per Indian sources 3 tried to cross the LoC, protected by 21 other aircrafts.

lolz ... You prove again and again that you do not have knowledge of weapon systems ...

AMRAM aslo has passive sensor and the moment some hostile radar start jamming signals it get switched to passive sensor and take down the source of jamming ...

By the way even a school going kid understands that if MKIs were able to Jam the incoming missile they would have stayed in the theater to backup unfortunate abhi and shoot atleast one missile of their own and to protect your brigade headquarters but they prefer to flee which clearly shows that they dodged the AMRAAM (except one that exploded and showed in your news conference) to get out of range ...

By the way don't tell anyone that your jamming pods are also outdated and can work on short distance of 20 to 30 kms as ours work at longer ranges as well :p

In a perfect world, home on jamming fuction would work perfectly and AMARAAMs would have 100 percent kill ratio.
But here we find, of the 5 AMARAAM which were dodged by 2 lead Sukhois, even the AMARAAM which were fired from the range of 40 Km..did not hit its target.

Sukhois did not exit the theatre, but when an enemy aircraft locks on you, you start evasive maouvres to break the lock. (Remember the entire confrontation lasted only 90 secs). Once you are in evasive maouvre you loose site of your target.

 

[The Accountant]

The strike package was challenged by the Mig 21s which were being chased out by the Mig 21s. It is during this hot pursuit of the PAF planes being chased out by the IAF that one Mig 21 mistakenly entered the Pak airspace and got shot down.

And yes despite being warned on 27th, the IAF response to the PAF was a mess, and that is admittedly a failure of the IAF but at least there was a response by the IAF. On 26th, the PAF did not even respond, just sat baxk and let the Indian planes bomb across the international border and leave. Don't forget Pakistan bombed across the LoC whereas India bombed Pakistan across the international border. Thos are two very different things.

As for the conspiracy theories about the Su 30 Mki pilot. You can keep coming up with things but no one outside Pakistan is believing it. And the onus of proving the F-16 was on India since it was an Indian claim but the onus of proving the Su 30 kill was on Pakistan since it was a Pakistani claim. The IAF provided whatever proof they could of downing the F16, circumstantial and inconclusive proof though it may be. Pakistan has not provided even an iota of proof, direct or circumstantial of its claim of downing the Su 30.

I like the way your presented . Very few Indians based their argument on logic and you are one of them so I would also try to respond logically.

First of all, if by engaging you mean crossing the border and putting yourself in danger zone than yes PAF never did it but PAF chased out the Mirages till the border and didn't follow further as on the other side a trap was waiting to cross the border to take down the Pakistani aircraft for violation of Indian air space.

For Mig21, you should listen to Abhinandan's statement as he said he was SEARCHING for the target when he got shot. It means he had the information about the attack from ground controller but he never had the attack package on his radar and while following the information from Ground controller he fell into the trap by crossing the border where Pakistan took down the aircraft as per international rules of engagement ...

In short Pakistan did try to engage your aircraft on 26th but your attack package flee without even taking the target correctly (most probably planned as I feel it was a mere publicity stunt) but did not violate the air space of India otherwise it would have given you guys to shoot an aircraft as per internationally acceptable rule of engagement in peace time...

You attack was surprise but still we behaved maturely which shows our pilot took better decision that day ...

On the other hand defense on part of IAF was extremely weak ... First MKI were not been able to do any counter attack despite of their presence, One Mig21 fell into trap and lost his bird fratricide of your own helicopter means there was extreme panic from Indian side ... I am not even counting Pakistani claim of MKI as we haven't gave any proof yet, except for exploded AMRAM shown by you guys ...

As per your claim, you violated international border and we attacked disputed area only ... The way I see it you bombed empty mountain with few trees fallen whereas we attacked compound of your brigade headquarter having 2 Lt. Generals present on site, also sending vibrations to your ammunition depot causing damage to the ammunition ... We did it with pre-warning in broad day light ... Think logically whose attack was better ?

 

[GumNaam]

As per Pakistan ..none. As per Indian sources 3 tried to cross the LoC, protected by 21 other aircrafts.



In a perfect world, home on jamming fuction would work perfectly and AMARAAMs would have 100 percent kill ratio.
But here we find, of the 5 AMARAAM which were dodged by 2 lead Sukhois, even the AMARAAM which were fired from the range of 40 Km..did not hit its target.

Sukhois did not exit the theatre, but when an enemy aircraft locks on you, you start evasive maouvres to break the lock. (Remember the entire confrontation lasted only 90 secs). Once you are in evasive maouvre you loose site of your target.

corrections...these are not your "findings", these are your "claims" and very unsubstantiated ones at that.

 

[The Accountant]

As per Pakistan ..none. As per Indian sources 3 tried to cross the LoC, protected by 21 other aircrafts.



In a perfect world, home on jamming fuction would work perfectly and AMARAAMs would have 100 percent kill ratio.
But here we find, of the 5 AMARAAM which were dodged by 2 lead Sukhois, even the AMARAAM which were fired from the range of 40 Km..did not hit its target.

Sukhois did not exit the theatre, but when an enemy aircraft locks on you, you start evasive maouvres to break the lock. (Remember the entire confrontation lasted only 90 secs). Once you are in evasive maouvre you loose site of your target.

Ok so why did they get into evasive manuver without getting a lock on the aircraft that were firing at them ? I am surprised that MKIs can't even lock an aircraft 40 kms away ?

You keep on making claims which you don't know ... The reality is AMRAAM were fired from a maximum distance and MKI saved them by fleeing the area and not by jamming the AMRAAM ... had they been able to Jam there had been no requirement of evasive manuver of fleeing the area ...

 

[Osiris]

Ok so why did they get into evasive manuver without getting a lock on the aircraft that were firing at them ? I am surprised that MKIs can't even lock an aircraft 40 kms away ?

You keep on making claims which you don't know ... The reality is AMRAAM were fired from a maximum distance and MKI saved them by fleeing the area and not by jamming the AMRAAM ... had they been able to Jam there had been no requirement of evasive manuver of fleeing the area ...

You knowledge of the events is limited to what you read online, mine isn't.

So the moment those F -16s, got those 2 Sukhois in their AMARAAM range they decided, they will fire, 5 - 6 missiles on them in one go ? Because as per you .. F 16s fired all their missiles at maximum range and sukhoi immidiately turned around fled the area, as soon as the first missile was launched...haan champion?

So are your pilots that stupid ..that they will fire 5 missile on one target in one go ..before waiting to see the first one hit, or not?

 

[Signalian]

I am surprised that MKIs can't even lock an aircraft 40 kms away ?

That is possible for two reasons:
1. ALQ-131 carried by F-16 MLU, which possesses noise jamming and deception jamming modes. It alters the flight path of an incoming enemy missile. It can also deny enemy's ability to target and lock F-16. It's capable of making the enemy’s radar see multiple targets, or even make the F-16 seem to disappear on enemy radar or move about randomly.
2. Presence of Falcon EW DA-20, which could have played its part in spot jamming.

Plus all Sukhoi have ELTA jammers, to spoof of a missile's radar.

Wasn't the same ELTA jammer installed on the downed Mig-21 Bison ? and if it was, then if the ELTA jammer didnt ascertain functionality on Mig-21 Bison, then how could it show functionality on SU-30 MKI ?

 

[The Accountant]

You knowledge of the events is limited to what you read online, mine isn't.

So the moment those F -16s, got those 2 Sukhois in their AMARAAM range they decided, they will fire, 5 - 6 missiles on them in one go ? Because as per you .. F 16s fired all their missiles at maximum range and sukhoi immidiately turned around fled the area, as soon as the first missile was launched...haan champion?

So are your pilots that stupid ..that they will fire 5 missile on one target in one go ..before waiting to see the first one hit, or not?

Yes your knowledge is based on same IAF which claimed as follows through senior level officers:

1. 300 to 400 terrorists dead.
2. Hideout destroyed using a fuse which blast after a delay so there must be a small hole at the roof.
3. Abhi killed F16s whereas all four missiles of Abhi un fired with us and Abhi himselve never claimed to hit target anything ,,, he was searching.
4. 4 to 5 AMRAAMs is a claim from your side not from ourside ... Our claim is simple we got your assess fried ... You showed just 1 AMRAAM and that too exploded where are the rest ?

Now rather than beating about the bush just answer my question , why the hell MKi were able to fire even from a distance of 40 KMs... You are stupidly boasting MKI capabilities of evading AMRAAM from 40Kms forgetting that his job was not to evade the missile but to attack our aircrafts , so if F16s were firing from 40 Kms why cant your MKI?

That is possible for two reasons:
1. ALQ-131 carried by F-16 MLU, which possesses noise jamming and deception jamming modes. It alters the flight path of an incoming enemy missile. It can also deny enemy's ability to target and lock F-16. It's capable of making the enemy’s radar see multiple targets, or even make the F-16 seem to disappear on enemy radar or move about randomly.
2. Presence of Falcon EW DA-20, which could have played its part in spot jamming.


Wasn't the same ELTA jammer installed on the downed Mig-21 Bison ? and if it was, then if the ELTA jammer didnt ascertain functionality on Mig-21 Bison, then how could it show functionality on SU-30 MKI ?

Bro I know the answer, I am just trolling him and trying to make him realize that F16s caught the MKIs by balls and were not able to do anything but to flee the scene ...

 

[Osiris]

Wasn't the same ELTA jammer installed on the downed Mig-21 Bison ? and if it was, then if the ELTA jammer didnt ascertain functionality on Mig-21 Bison, then how could it show functionality on SU-30 MKI ?

When Pakistan displayed wreckage of all the missiles from Mig 21 ..did you see ELTA jammer on it?

Secondly are you sure it was targeted by AMARAAM? After all it was firing WVR missile on F16.

 

[Signalian]

When Pakistan displayed wreckage of all the missiles from Mig 21 ..did you see ELTA jammer on it?

Secondly are you sure it was targeted by AMARAAM? After all it was firing WVR missile on F16.

Did the Mig-21 fire any missile at F-16 ?

 

[Osiris]

Yes your knowledge is based on same IAF which claimed as follows through senior level officers:

1. 300 to 400 terrorists dead.
2. Hideout destroyed using a fuse which blast after a delay so there must be a small hole at the roof.
3. Abhi killed F16s whereas all four missiles of Abhi un fired with us and Abhi himselve never claimed to hit target anything ,,, he was searching.
4. 4 to 5 AMRAAMs is a claim from your side not from ourside ... Our claim is simple we got your assess fried ... You showed just 1 AMRAAM and that too exploded where are the rest ?

Now rather than beating about the bush just answer my question , why the hell MKi were able to fire even from a distance of 40 KMs... You are stupidly boasting MKI capabilities of evading AMRAAM from 40Kms forgetting that his job was not to evade the missile but to attack our aircrafts , so if F16s were firing from 40 Kms why cant your MKI?

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You are again caught with pants down, when presneted with logic. What was your claim...that f 16s were not involved in the operation at all?

Besides i answered this question in my previous post..go read it again .

Did the Mig-21 fire any missile at F-16 ?

According IAF, it did.