Devyani Khobragade gets full diplomatic immunity after transfer

[dbc]

its time that india also does the same kind of treatment with unrueli and rash US diplomats if they are found in any sought of criminal or anty india activities in india and treat them the way we treat owr hardened criminals and send them to tihar jail for slightest of offences no bail until prooven innocent

US diplomats have faced far worse. We don't gauge our national prestige by how well our diplomats get treated overseas. Gosh Indians sure have their priorities all wrong

 

[Sashan]

Sashan; you can be quite dumb.
You are confusing issues here. The issue between the maid and her employer is a matter of breach of contract that can be prosecuted as such.
The question is of the Vienna Convention which insists that all Diplomatic Staff including Consular Staff have to be treated with Dignity as befitting their Status.
Now it seems that American Officials are asinine enough to treat Terrorists in GITMO and Diplomats alike by MANACLING them; regardless of charges and regardless of threat levels.

Amreekans (maybe you are one too) love to crow from the roof-tops about how aware and sensitive they are to Human Dignity and Human Rights.
Now let me tell you that even the "primitive aboriginal" Police forces in "third-world" India cannot and do not manacle any person in custody unless they can demonstrate that the person apprehended is/was armed and dangerous, a flight risk, or was resisting/evading apprehension. That is the Law in India.
But "Advanced Amreeka" has no such understanding of such niceties! Or did Devyani Khobragade resist/evade arrest, was she armed and dangerous, was she a flight risk?
These are the issues that are primary to the unfolding dipomatic row between the two countries; if you have not understood that yet.

Not the irrelevant Guff that you are talking about.

@Sashan; you can be quite dumb.
You are confusing issues here. The issue between the maid and her employer is a matter of breach of contract that can be prosecuted as such.
The question is of the Vienna Convention which insists that all Diplomatic Staff including Consular Staff have to be treated with Dignity as befitting their Status.
Now it seems that American Officials are asinine enough to treat Terrorists in GITMO and Diplomats alike by MANACLING them; regardless of charges and regardless of threat levels.

Amreekans (maybe you are one too) love to crow from the roof-tops about how aware and sensitive they are to Human Dignity and Human Rights.
Now let me tell you that even the "primitive aboriginal" Police forces in "third-world" India cannot and do not manacle any person in custody unless they can demonstrate that the person apprehended is/was armed and dangerous, a flight risk, or was resisting/evading apprehension. That is the Law in India.
But "Advanced Amreeka" has no such understanding of such niceties! Or did Devyani Khobragade resist/evade arrest, was she armed and dangerous, was she a flight risk?
These are the issues that are primary to the unfolding dipomatic row between the two countries; if you have not understood that yet.

Not the irrelevant Guff that you are talking about.

They can have any labor contracts in India. But when both come to US, they have another party who is in the business - US government and its labor laws. That involves visa processing. The question here is not just violation of labor laws but also the filing of false documents for visa which is a felony and constitutes 10 years in prison. Why aren't you getting that? And if someone does not have diplomatic immunity(as clearly mentioned by the news of this thread), then she is a common person and she is not treated differently than others. As for flight risk, what if she runs and sits in the Indian consulate for months?

The diplomatic row wouldn't have happened if Indian Government had stepped in back in Sept when it was brought to its notice by the U.S Dept. of State.

PS - You are a senior member here and I respect your posts. Not sure why you want to get to the levels of some junior members here and start calling stuff.

 

[janon]

Indians are so easily offended .

Well, handcuffing our diplomat and strip searching her and peeking into her orifices and housing her with hardened criminals...excuse us for being offended. I don't think that qualifies as being 'easily offended'. How do you expect us to react to such behaviour, if not by taking offense?

How would you feel like if your diplomats were unnecessarily subjected to such treatment? Many citizens in the USA were up in arms against the TSA for subjecting them to an X-ray search at airports. And you expect us to take it laying low if our diplomats, there on diplomatic passports, are strip searched and cavity searched? Double standards, much? Walking through an X-ray machine is offensive to american travellers, but people peering into our diplomat's holes is no big deal? What was the purpose of that anyway, to ensure that she wasnt smuggling drugs into prison shoved up her orifices?

Why was the proper protocol not followed, why was the Indian high commision not approached before arresting her? If you think Indians will take all that and not care, then all I can say is that you have been dealing with pakistan for too long.

Note that I am not even complaining about her being arrested. If the proper procedure was followed, and she was given the due respectt outlined in the vienna conventions, and then given a proper trial, then I would have applauded the US.

 

[KRAIT]

US diplomats have faced far worse. We don't gauge our national prestige by how well our diplomats get treated overseas. Gosh Indians sure have their priorities all wrong

Then why did you extend Diplomatic Immunity to Raymond Davies, who killed two Pakistanis ?

 

[SRP]

Her family members were taken by some unknown persons to USA?so how does it help USA?

I don't know but this a large scale conspiracy against India I can say.

 

[GURU DUTT]

US diplomats have faced far worse. We don't gauge our national prestige by how well our diplomats get treated overseas. Gosh Indians sure have their priorities all wrong

well thing is if you try to humeleate indian diplomats be ready for the same treatment for your diplomats and nationals in india simple as that ...period

 

[Indo-guy]

She is transferred to UN so that US can't contest again on diplomatic immunity. Its like creating layer of protocols to protect the subject in discussion.

and she was not a normal Indian citizen working in US, and the way she is treated was out of bounds. What's the point of strip search on visa fraud charge, which itself is under question ?

Also there is professional courtesy extended to these people.

I don't understand why NRIs are acting like its a normal routine. We all should stand beside her. Its about nation first. They even frisked our former President.

Guilty or not, US should apologize and return her, just like they got out Raymond Davis.

Indeed ...we should not have tolerated humiliation of our beloved President ....

It is result of this blunder we committed by letting go frisking of Dr APJ Abdul Kalam unaddressed that we see this situation ...

We can't expect niceties from Supremacist and arrogant country like US anyways ....

 

[SRP]

Devyani Khobragade arrest row: India accuses US of immigration fraud


New Delhi: In the middle of a snowballing diplomatic row over the arrest and humiliation of high-ranking Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade in the US, India has accused the American government of facilitating immigration fraud by the woman who worked for the diplomat and whose complaint led to the latter's arrest. (Diplomat arrest row - latest developments)

NDTV has learnt that the family of Sangeeta Richard, the Indian woman who worked for Devyani Khobragade for nine months till June this year, left for America on December 10, two days before the diplomat's arrest.

Ms Richard had complained that her employer made her falsify documents for her visa application, and made her work a 40-hour week on just three dollars a day. (Read: Charges against Devyani Khobragade) Her complaint led to Ms Khobragade's arrest for alleged visa fraud on Thursday last, followed by strip-search by US marshals. The diplomat was also swabbed for DNA and checked for cavities before being put in a cell with drug addicts. (Read: Embarrassing failure of US protocol,says diplomat's attorney)

New Delhi had immediately told the US that Ms Richard was absconding, and faced an arrest warrant in India.

Reliable sources say in June, India had lodged a complaint and filed a missing person report in New York, but the police there did nothing about it. They also allege that the US did not respond to repeated requests to help find the woman, whose name surfaced next when Ms Khobragade was arrested.

India had asked the American Embassy for help to find Ms Richard way back on July 5, said the sources.

Ms Richard, who remained in hiding, reportedly met an immigration lawyer in the US in September and asked for 10,000 dollars and a passport to stay on in the country.

At the same time, the Delhi High Court passed an injunction against Ms Richard on September 21, which, India says, was shared with the US Embassy.

On Wednesday, officials learnt that Ms Richard's family left for the US last week before the authorities there initiated action against the diplomat.

 

[janon]

US diplomats have faced far worse. We don't gauge our national prestige by how well our diplomats get treated overseas. Gosh Indians sure have their priorities all wrong

When was the last time an american diplomat was strip searched and cavity searched by a friendly nation? Please do enlighten us.

If Indians stand up for the dignity and honor of her citizens, and deeply care about the liberties of its govt officials, I would say that India has her priorities in the right place. It is not a question of national prestige for us either, simply a matter of personal liberties, and international protocols. There is a reason that civilized nations came together and signed the vienna accords - we expect other countries to honor such niceties.

 

[Star Wars]

Then why did you extend Diplomatic Immunity to Raymond Davies, who killed two Pakistanis ?

forget that , an American diplomat got away with manslaugher in Kenya after he crashed his vehicle into a car killing a few

 

[Guynextdoor2]

This guy has absolutely gone bersek ....he is now talking that Indian court and indian government has conspired ....against whom ....? and why ???

Can't believe people can stoop so low ....to get their 'American' labels 'polished' that they won't mind tarnishing their own motherland !!!

I won't get that extreme. I think it's difficult for some people to believe that a few people need 'special treatment'. They think this is a direct legal issue and therefore 'law must take it's course'. But in diplomatic affairs, some people concerned really are special and need special treatment. If not you cannot conduct any business at all.

 

[SrNair]

I don't get this. I see an outrage for the way she was treated though it is as per the procedures verified and published by Hindu. She has clearly bent the law(especially ridiculous if she is perceived as her representing the country) and clearly not entitled to immunity(else this thread wouldn't have existed) but she and her father are hiding behind representing India crap defense and everyone is going ballistic the way she was treated. The system here in US is tough but fair as seen and realized by even common person like me.

Why does she needs to be treated differently and that system compromised? Isn't it what many in India oppose wrt politicians' and elites' treatment?

Well you must how US senator Robert Menandez disobey US law

 

[Janmejay]

everybody see the double standards of USA......
1-In January 1997, in the U.S., the Deputy Ambassador of the Republic of Georgia, Gueorgui Makharadze, caused an accident that injured four people and killed a 16-year-old girl. He was found to have a blood-alcohol level of 0.15%, but was released from custody because he was a diplomat. The Georgian government waived his immunity upon request from the U.S.
2-On 27 October 1998, in Vladivostok, Russia, Douglas Kent, the American Consul General to Russia, was involved in a car accident that left a young man, Alexander Kashin, disabled. Kent was not prosecuted in a U.S. court.
3-On 27 January 2011, in Lahore, Pakistan, an American embassy employee, Raymond Allen Davis, shot and killed two Pakistani civilians. According to Davis, they were about to rob him and he acted in self-defense. When detained by police, Davis claimed to be a consultant at the U.S. consulate in Lahore. He was formally arrested and remanded into custody. Further investigations revealed that he was working with the CIA as a contractor in Pakistan. U.S. State Department declared him a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, to which Pakistan is a signatory. Police officials identified the dead men as Faheem Shamshad, 26, and Faizan Haider, 22. A third person, Muhammad Abad ur Rehman, was struck and killed by a U.S. consulate car responding to the shooting.In their investigation, police retrieved photographs, from Davis’ camera, of some sensitive areas and Pakistani defense installations; and it is possible that he may be charged with Espionage as well. The wife of one of the slain men subsequently committed suicide, reportedly out of fear that Davis will not be prosecuted in the Pakistani judicial system.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Devyani Khobragade arrest row: India accuses US of immigration fraud

New Delhi: In the middle of a snowballing diplomatic row over the arrest and humiliation of high-ranking Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade in the US, India has accused the American government of facilitating immigration fraud by the woman who worked for the diplomat and whose complaint led to the latter's arrest. (Diplomat arrest row - latest developments)

NDTV has learnt that the family of Sangeeta Richard, the Indian woman who worked for Devyani Khobragade for nine months till June this year, left for America on December 10, two days before the diplomat's arrest.

Ms Richard had complained that her employer made her falsify documents for her visa application, and made her work a 40-hour week on just three dollars a day. (Read: Charges against Devyani Khobragade) Her complaint led to Ms Khobragade's arrest for alleged visa fraud on Thursday last, followed by strip-search by US marshals. The diplomat was also swabbed for DNA and checked for cavities before being put in a cell with drug addicts. (Read: Embarrassing failure of US protocol,says diplomat's attorney)

New Delhi had immediately told the US that Ms Richard was absconding, and faced an arrest warrant in India.

Reliable sources say in June, India had lodged a complaint and filed a missing person report in New York, but the police there did nothing about it. They also allege that the US did not respond to repeated requests to help find the woman, whose name surfaced next when Ms Khobragade was arrested.

India had asked the American Embassy for help to find Ms Richard way back on July 5, said the sources.

Ms Richard, who remained in hiding, reportedly met an immigration lawyer in the US in September and asked for 10,000 dollars and a passport to stay on in the country.

At the same time, the Delhi High Court passed an injunction against Ms Richard on September 21, which, India says, was shared with the US Embassy.

On Wednesday, officials learnt that Ms Richard's family left for the US last week before the authorities there initiated action against the diplomat.

Lol. Now the "Sheriff of Wall Street" can be arraigned in a case of abetting Immigration Fraud and facilitating flight from due process of Law.

This is getting more exciting by the minute. Wonder whether Dept. of Justice will bother to investigate this too?

Its all happening in a Country (?Land of the Free, Land of the Brave?) that helped to create and facilitate and then finally shelter a Terrorist called David Coleman Headley aka Daood Gilani. Who ironically helped in the cold-blooded murder of American Citizens............

Some irony there too.

 

[thesolar65]

Now the news is popping out that Sangeeta Richards is a Jew and her family members were taken by some unknown persons to USA. They got visas two days ago and also tickets for USA on the same day. I smell large scale conspiracy against India in particular.

I am sure the maid is working in some others house. For a start I am suspicious about NY DA Preet Bharara's Activity!!