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Developing Ties Between Pak, Russia, China, Iran & the CARS

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and Pakistan will be the common factor.. Last time you allied with USA against USSR now are now dreaming of allying with Russia against US.. Russia may still be looking for a revenge and the revenge will be first on you as you were the ones who allowed use of your land/people/resources etc against them.. so don't hold too high hopes on this dream..

No body is dreaming we are talking abt the ground facts . Putin is very angry at America due to the riots and its is going to be in favour of Pakistan . India make think that they are going to be safe coz of Russia but i dont think so.

Oh and about the revenge they so want the revenge but the actual fight is betweem Russia and USA we are just middle man.
and i feel like russian are going soft and good with us . I think in 90 they offered us Migs .
 
Tajik-Russian military cooperation

Tajikistan and Russia: partnership for stability in Central Asia — RT

just copied what i thought related to thread russian thoughts from RT:

In light of the many problems being faced by NATO forces in Afghanistan, compounded by drug trafficking, Russia’s military presence in Tajikistan has taken on a whole new dimension.

Medvedev reiterated that the presence of the 201st Motorized Rifle Division in Tajikistan serves as a solid stabilization factor and promised “further help to our Tajik allies in accordance with previous agreements.”

In early 1990s, during the civil war in Tajikistan, the base – originally the Soviet Union's 201st infantry unit, which has been located in Tajikistan since the fall of 1945 – went under Russia’s jurisdiction. Since May 1993, the base operated under various agreements reached by the two countries. The base hosts 7,000 troops and an assortment of tanks, armored vehicles and surface-to-air missiles.
Russian-Tajik military co-operation will be maintained "for the sake of national and regional security,” said a joint statement by both presidents.

As a side note, beginning in the early nineties, Russian troops served as special border guards on the Tajik-Afghan border. Russia handed over those duties to the Tajik Army in July 2005. Today, a handful of Russian advisers work and train with Tajik forces in an effort to better protect the sensitive border zone.

The Russian president seemed enthusiastic about a number of proposals put forward by the Tajik side for dealing with Afghanistan that demand “new forms of cooperation.”

“I think, we should get back to some ideas that have been expressed and think about creating new formats of work,” said Medvedev.

Russia's only other permanent base in the region is in Kant, Kyrgyzstan, an aviation group that serves under the auspices of the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

In addition to military cooperation, Tajikistan and Russia, together with China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, are both members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which is showing much promise as a regional organization for tamping down local problems.

Mongolia, India, Pakistan and Iran are observers of the group.

In an effort to cement relations between members of the SCO, Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Dejiang last week suggested that members work out an agreement on the facilitation of road transport as soon as possible, which could make for a tangible link for regional transportation. As long as the drug traffickers are kept off of this futuristic Silk Road, the plan seems to have much merit.

The joint communique stressed cooperation in customs through simplifying trade procedures, improving custom-clearance capabilities, as well as improving infrastructure.

On the more virtual level, a plan was floated to implement a "SCO information super highway" and "cross-border digital cooperation by using digital signatures," a plan that would certainly help to boost the Tajik economy, now experiencing the doldrums due to the global financial crisis.

Finally, on a sensitive international subject, Tajikistan has announced its support for Iran's membership bid to join the SCO after a meeting that was held between the Tajik President and the Iranian foreign minister.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has commented that "Iran and Tajikistan are one spirit in two bodies." He also added that there are no limits to the expansion of relations between the two countries and that "We do not feel that we have a non-Iranian guest with us thanks to the many commonalities our two countries share".

Energy on tap

Tajikistan has been on the road to economic and political recovery with the election of Imomali Rakhmonov in 1994, a year that also gave the Tajik people a new constitution. This recovery has forged a mutually advantageous business relationship between Dushanbe and Moscow in the form of big energy deals.

Last month, Russia confirmed its intention to construct three medium-capacity hydroelectric power stations in Tajikistan, while a total of 12 investment projects worth 3bn somoni (over $700m dollars) are being implemented in the country.

In addition to fortifying Tajikistan’s unpredictable power supplies, these long-term projects will create thousands of construction jobs in the country.

The projects include the construction of hydroelectric power plants with small and medium capacities, the construction of electric power lines and other energy infrastructure, as well as modernizing existing electric power stations, which includes the hulking Norak hydroelectric power station with a capacity of 3,000 MW.

There is also the golden opportunity for Tajikistan to become an energy exporter, especially with economic powerhouse China right next door.

"The implementation of these projects will allow Tajikistan not only to provide itself with cheap electric energy in full, but also to export it to other countries," the Tajik president noted.

For the last few years, Tajikistan has been experiencing a serious energy crisis, especially during the autumn and winter periods when energy consumption peaks in the country.
On a much brighter note, Russia's Rosatom state-owned corporation is starting detailed talks on the development of uranium deposits in Tajikistan, its deputy head Nikolay Spassky told the press in Dushanbe on Friday.

"There have been reports that Tajikistan has new uranium deposits. All this requires concrete study. We are ready for the job and interested in it. We are presently getting down to practical cooperation," he said on the sidelines of the fifth session of the Council for Cooperation in Peaceful Use of Nuclear Energy with the Integration Committee of the Eurasian Economic
Community (EurAsEC), Interfax reported.
 
You may have noticed that in western press normally bring on analysts of jewish/israeli origin or indian analysts on their propaganda channels be that bbc, sky tv, fox news. The reason that these analysts are brought on as neutrals is normally to support western aims and interests.

In the same vein please take the following article on RT news-Russian channel:


‘US military – source of instability in Afghanistan and region’

Published: 22 November, 2011, 06:32

With many Afghans opposing plans to extend US-Afghan partnership, a Pakistan-based expert says that the US military presence in the country has become a source of instability both within Afghanistan and in the region.

On Sunday, some 1,000 people took to the streets in eastern Afghanistan to protest against plans for a long-term partnership deal between Kabul and Washington. Many fear it could extend the US military presence in the war-torn country.

Ahmed Quraishi, a political analyst from Pakistan told RT that the Afghan people have no reason to welcome the American presence in their country as the US record over the past decade in Afghanistan is not very encouraging.

“The United States has failed to bring social harmony to Afghanistan, to bring political stability to the country and to stabilize the region.”

Nevertheless, the current Afghan ruling elite wants Americans to stay as they are totally dependent on them, the analyst explains.

“The moment the Americans are out, these people don’t really have a chance to stay in power. Many of them are proxies of various American organizations, NGOs, US military, intelligence and other departments of US government.”

As the US and officials in Kabul quietly discuss an extended American presence in the country, Afghanistan’s neighbors are “deeply concerned about a permanent state of instability in the region,” he argues.

According to Quraishi, Afghanistan is an important base of operations for the US and Washington will not let this strategic piece of land go.

“They are testing new weapons over there,” he says. “And they are sitting in the backyards of the major powers in the region, Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan, and other countries.”
 
Base instinct: Russia questions US Afghan overstay


Moscow is looking for explanations from the US over its plans to maintain permanent military bases in Afghanistan after withdrawing troops from the country in 2014.

*While stressing that the creation of US military bases on Afghan territory is an “issue of relations between the US and Afghanistan," Russia wants to know what tasks will be accomplished by a permanent US military presence in the embattled country, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters on Monday following a meeting in Moscow with his Kazakh counterpart.


"For this reason, it is important to understand what tasks will be solved by the military bases in Afghanistan, which will stay there after the announced withdrawal of troops in 2014," Lavrov said.


Lavrov, who confirmed that Russia is “discussing these issues openly with Afghanistan and our
US partners,” said it is important for Moscow understand “how the announced withdrawal of troops (scheduled for 2014) relates to the “creation of military bases."


The foreign minister said it was
important to take into account the interest of all countries in the region.

“In a broader political sense, we also need to take into account the interests of the countries of this troubled region, which are directly impacted by what is happening in Afghanistan," Lavrov said.

Kazakh Foreign Minister Yerzhak Kazykhanov echoed Lavorv’s concerns, saying that although the agreement between Afghanistan and the US on long-term and strategic cooperation is an issue of bilateral relations, it is paramount that any agreements signed in the region take into account the interests of neighboring countries, as well as the Central Asian countries.


"The countries of the region and large powers should re-confirm their adherence to the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Afghanistan. In my view, the main efforts should be aimed at prompt stabilization of the situation in the country and its economic rehabilitation," the minister said.


The Kazakh foreign minister recalled that a ministerial conference will be held in Bonn on December 5, which will be attended by representatives of over 65 countries at the level of foreign ministers, to discuss issues related to Afghanistan.


Kazykhanov said he is anticipating that the Bonn conference addressing the Afghanistan issue will promote the rapid stabilization of the situation in Afghanistan.


A “loya jirga” (elders' council) was held in Kabul on the weekend. The meeting participants approved the Afghan-US agreement on strategic cooperation, which authorizes the United States to have its military bases on the territory of Afghanistan until 2024.


Large-scale protests following the jirga's decision were held in Afghanistan on Monday.


Moscow is increasingly concerned about the situation in Afghanistan since the United States commenced military operations following the terrorist attacks of Sept, 11, 2001. Russia is concerned about stability in the region, especially since heroin shipments across Europe and in Russia have surged since the Taliban was removed from power.
 
Now we are getting closer and closer to forming the PRIC alliance.

Russia, China, Lebanon call for diplomatic solution to Iran nuclear issue

TEHRAN – Russia, China, and Lebanon have called for the dispute over Iran’s nuclear program to be resolved through diplomatic channels.

Moscow believes that there is no room for further UNSC sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program, Russian Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin said on Friday, Reuters reported.

"We believe the sanctions track in the Security Council has been exhausted," he told reporters in response to a question about Iran and its nuclear program. "We continue to believe very strongly that negotiations should continue with Iran."

Churkin reiterated Moscow's view that negotiations between Iran and the 5+1 group (the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China, and Germany), had been undermined by the report that the International Atomic Energy Agency released on November 8, in which it claimed that Iran appears to have worked on designing an atomic bomb.

The report contained "very little new information," Churkin added.

In addition, Wang Min, China's deputy permanent representative to the UN, on Wednesday called on the Western countries to commit themselves to dialogue as the sole path to resolving the standoff over Iran's nuclear issue, according to Press TV.

“It is of greater and more realistic significance for all parties to seek for a proper settlement of the Iran's nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiations, maintain peace and stability of the Middle East, and avoid further turbulence in the region,” Wang said during a speech at a meeting of the Security Council.

Lebanon's ambassador to the UN, Nawaf Salam, also said on Thursday that negotiation is the best and only solution to the current standoff over Iran's “peaceful" nuclear program, Press TV reported.

Russia, China, Lebanon call for diplomatic solution to Iran nuclear issue - Tehran Times
 
Its really good to see that forum is paying attention to area where Pakistan can have its future. Having said that in this fragmented world order there is another relationship legacy Pakistan has to deal with. That is relationship with KSA and GCC countries. Problem is the way great game is set, KSA and GCC are at Iran throat and used by US to push its Shia Sunni divide. I am no way speaking in favor of Iran, rather looking at what is important and long term goals. Iran being part of emerging Sino-Russian club, Pakistan has to think its strategy and how to balance these relations. Best thing Pakistan can do is take the upper hand and try to smooth out differences in Iran-KSA contentions. Otherwise, there will be a time when US will push KSA and KSA will push Pakistan to choose between Iran and Saudi interest. One can draw lesson from Turkish experience, how they have been pushed by US-Saudi nexus to choose side in Libya, Syria and in missile defense installation. All these US driven push made Turkey lost its momentum on "zero problem with neighbor" gains. Pakistan in future need to avoid that kind of choice at any cost. Besides, Pakistan has lot to offer to have best of relation with both of these countries and gain at the same time.
 
Its really good to see that forum is paying attention to area where Pakistan can have its future. Having said that in this fragmented world order there is another relationship legacy Pakistan has to deal with. That is relationship with KSA and GCC countries. Problem is the way great game is set, KSA and GCC are at Iran throat and used by US to push its Shia Sunni divide. I am no way speaking in favor of Iran, rather looking at what is important and long term goals. Iran being part of emerging Sino-Russian club, Pakistan has to think its strategy and how to balance these relations. Best thing Pakistan can do is take the upper hand and try to smooth out differences in Iran-KSA contentions. Otherwise, there will be a time when US will push KSA and KSA will push Pakistan to choose between Iran and Saudi interest. One can draw lesson from Turkish experience, how they have been pushed by US-Saudi nexus to choose side in Libya, Syria and in missile defense installation. All these US driven push made Turkey lost its momentum on "zero problem with neighbor" gains. Pakistan in future need to avoid that kind of choice at any cost. Besides, Pakistan has lot to offer to have best of relation with both of these countries and gain at the same time.

If there is a call between China and KSA/US no question which side Pakistan will choose, China will encourage pak to deal with Iran just as it has encouraged detente between russia and pakistan
 
Russia, China, Iran defeat U.S. in the “pipeline wars”

While the West kills thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan and ravages both countries, Russia, China and Iran are acquiring the crucial energy riches of Central Asia and the Caspian area without firing a shot.


by Asad Ismi

A major reason for the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was the building of a pipeline through the country that would take natural gas from Turkmenistan to India and Pakistan. Canada and the other 44 Western countries occupying Afghanistan are supporting this U.S. objective by bolstering Washington’s military position in the country.



Turkmenistan, which borders Afghanistan, contains the fourth largest reserves of natural gas in the world. The U.S. has been trying to set up the pipeline for a decade, having first negotiated the venture with the ousted Taliban government. Two months after these negotiations broke down, Washington overthrew the Taliban in October 2001 when it invaded Afghanistan.

Since then, the U.S. has persuaded India, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and Afghanistan to sign an agreement aimed at constructing the pipeline, but the war in Afghanistan and the U.S.’s failure to defeat the Taliban stalled actual work on this project. Washington’s occupation of Afghanistan and pipeline plans are part of its strategy to gain control of Central Asia’s and the Caspian Sea area’s energy riches and divert them away from Russia, China, and Iran.

As Richard Boucher, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs, stated in September 2007: “One of our goals is to stabilize Afghanistan so it can become a conduit and hub between South and Central Asia so that energy can flow to the south… and so that the countries of Central Asia are no longer bottled up between the two enormous powers of China and Russia, but rather that they have outlets to the south as well as to the north and the east and the west.”

However, as the Indian diplomat M.K. Bhadrakumar put it in an article for Asia Times, “The United States' pipeline diplomacy in the Caspian, which strove to bypass Russia, elbow out China and isolate Iran, has foundered.”

Recently, the U.S.’s Turkmen-Afghan pipeline plans have suffered what appears to be a fatal blow. On January 6, Turkmenistan committed its entire gas exports to China, Russia, and Iran with the inauguration of the Dauletabad-Sarakhs-Khangiran (DSK) pipeline which connects Iran's northern Caspian area with Turkmenistan.

As Bhadrakumar explains, Turkmenistan “has no urgent need of the pipelines that the United States and the European Union have been advancing.” The operation of the DSK pipeline, along with the launching of another one between China and Turkmenistan in December 2009, has “virtually redrawn the energy map of Eurasia and the Caspian,” he maintains. “We are witnessing a new pattern of energy cooperation at the regional level that dispenses with Big Oil [private Western multinational oil companies]. Russia traditionally takes the lead. China and Iran follow the example. Russia, Iran, and Turkmenistan hold, respectively, the world's largest, second-largest, and fourth-largest gas reserves. And China will be consumer par excellence in this century. The matter is of profound consequence to U.S. global strategy.”

Bhadrakumar has served in diplomatic posts for India in the Soviet Union, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

Russia and Turkmenistan have also agreed to build an east-west pipeline connecting all of the latter’s gas fields to one network so that the pipelines going to Russia, Iran, and China can take gas from any of the fields. (See the accompanying map for the routes of these new and proposed pipelines.)

Three weeks before the opening of the DSK pipeline, China and Turkmenistan inaugurated a major natural gas pipeline between the two countries. The presidents of China, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan attended the opening ceremony of the 1,833-kilometre pipeline on December 14, 2009. The pipeline will transport natural gas from the Saman-Depe field in eastern Turkmenistan through Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan to China’s Xinjiang province, from where it will go to 14 Chinese provinces and cities. By 2012, the pipeline will deliver 40 billion cubic metres of gas per year, which is more than half of China’s present gas consumption.

Chinese President Hu Jintao described the pipeline as “another platform for collaboration and cooperation” between China and Central Asia. In return for access to Central Asian gas, China is building infrastructure and giving cheap loans to the area’s republics. According to John Chan, writing on the World Socialist Website: “Beijing’s broader aim is to bring the region within its own political and strategic orbit.”

Turkmenistan President Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov declared that the pipeline has “not only commercial and economic value. It is also political,” and will become “a major contributing factor to security in Asia”.

Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov added: “China, through its wise and farsighted policy, has become one of the key guarantors of global security.”

As Chan puts it, “The opening of a major Chinese pipeline from Turkmenistan alters the Central Asian energy equation. The Financial Times commented last week that the pipeline “deals a blow to the European Union’s plans to win Turkmen supplies for the planned Nabucco pipeline.”

This pipeline is the U.S.’s and E.U.’s attempt at breaking Russia’s dominant role as the leading energy supplier to Europe. Nabucco depends mainly on getting gas from Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan. However, Russia now wants to double its consumption of Azerbaijani gas, and Iran is also becoming a consumer of this gas, further reducing supplies for Nabucco.

In December 2009, Azerbaijan signed an agreement to deliver gas to Iran through the 1,400km Kazi-Magomed-Astara pipeline. Russia's South Stream and North Stream pipelines (the latter’s construction starts in Spring 2010), will supply gas to northern and southern Europe, ensuring Moscow’s continued dominance of energy supplies to Europe.

As Bhadrakumar points out, the DSK pipeline shows that U.S. efforts to demonize, isolate, and terrorize Iran have failed miserably. In open defiance of U.S. policy, President Berdymukhammedov of Turkmenistan is busy creating “a new economic axis” with Iranian president Mahmud Ahmadinejad, whom he considers a valuable partner.

Washington’s and the West’s show of force in Afghanistan has also failed to impress Berdymukhammedov, who is giving all of his country’s natural gas to Russia, China, and Iran. These countries are not currently engaged in imperialist military occupation of another nation. All they had to do to get Turkmenistan’s gas was to offer it a decent economic deal. So, while the West kills thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan and ravages both countries, Russia, China and Iran are acquiring the crucial energy riches of Central Asia and the Caspian area without firing a shot.

Russian dominance of Central Asia was further cemented by the recent overthrow of the pro-U.S. government in Kyrgyzstan and its replacement by a pro-Moscow regime. The new government has told Washington that it can no longer use the Manas airbase, which is the main transshipment point for American supplies to Afghanistan.

In light of such major Western energy-related defeats, the continuing occupation of Afghanistan by 46 Western nations must have some other purpose. If their military venture were mainly economic — if they simply wanted greater access to Central Asia’s resources — why did they not offer the region’s countries acceptable prices for them, just as Russia, China, and Iran are doing?

The answer perhaps lies in a memorable remark by the great Palestinian intellectual Edward Said: “At the heart of the Western Idea is imperialism.”

The West did not become rich by offering resource-endowed countries fair and mutually beneficial economic deals. It became rich by subjecting countries in the Global South to 500 years of genocide and plunder through colonialism, neocolonialism, and the endless wars these aggressive actions entail.

The U.S. and its allies do not seem to realize that the dark age of “might-is-right” imperialism is coming to an end. Russia, China, India, and Iran are not countries that can be subdued by displays of military aggression in neighbouring nations. The continuing futile occupation of Afghanistan reflects the failure of the West’s political and military strategists to face this new geopolitical reality.

What possible threat could a financially and politically crippled West — a coalition that can’t even defeat the Taliban after nine years — pose to nuclear-armed Russia, China, and India? Countries like these are busy creating a post-imperial age in which aggression and occupation are not required to secure needed resources.

They are leaving the decadent West in the dust of history.

(Asad Ismi is The CCPA Monitor’s international affairs correspondent. He has written extensively on Afghanistan and is the author of the forthcoming radio documentary The Latin American Revolution


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Its really good to see that forum is paying attention to area where Pakistan can have its future. Having said that in this fragmented world order there is another relationship legacy Pakistan has to deal with. That is relationship with KSA and GCC countries. Problem is the way great game is set, KSA and GCC are at Iran throat and used by US to push its Shia Sunni divide. I am no way speaking in favor of Iran, rather looking at what is important and long term goals. Iran being part of emerging Sino-Russian club, Pakistan has to think its strategy and how to balance these relations. Best thing Pakistan can do is take the upper hand and try to smooth out differences in Iran-KSA contentions. Otherwise, there will be a time when US will push KSA and KSA will push Pakistan to choose between Iran and Saudi interest. One can draw lesson from Turkish experience, how they have been pushed by US-Saudi nexus to choose side in Libya, Syria and in missile defense installation. All these US driven push made Turkey lost its momentum on "zero problem with neighbor" gains. Pakistan in future need to avoid that kind of choice at any cost. Besides, Pakistan has lot to offer to have best of relation with both of these countries and gain at the same time.

Top post!
Pakistan should choose it neighbors any day above distant powers like the USA or the KSA.
 
India has good reations with both Iran and Russia,it will good to see Russia's reaction after another ISI sponsored Terrorist attack in India.If they fail to do anything its time to openly join USA camp,USA will have military advantage atleast for next 25 years and after 25 years India will be way to powerful for anyone to f**k with her.

lets see..........
 
Pakistan's dream of becoming a Russian ally may not come into realities. Issues like Chechen rebellion, Soviet era rivalry in Afghanistan and closeness to India may come up as the hurdle. Trust deficit is there. India's closeness to Americans is only a business where both India and USA are seeking their mutual interest and Russians are aware of it before anyone knew. What India can provide to Russia is far more than what Pakistan could do for Russians. For Russians, India is the route to Indian Ocean dominance.
 
Pakistan's dream of becoming a Russian ally may not come into realities. Issues like Chechen rebellion, Soviet era rivalry in Afghanistan and closeness to India may come up as the hurdle. Trust deficit is there. India's closeness to Americans is only a business where both India and USA are seeking their mutual interest and Russians are aware of it before anyone knew. What India can provide to Russia is far more than what Pakistan could do for Russians. For Russians, India is the route to Indian Ocean dominance.

its not our frakkin dream. Its in the interest of russia pakistan china and iran to work closer they all benefit do you not know thats how it works. Pak-russia is just one element or part of the show
 
its not our frakkin dream. Its in the interest of russia pakistan china and iran to work closer they all benefit do you not know thats how it works. Pak-russia is just one element or part of the show

read this then!
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I don't know what Russia can achieve making axis with you, same treatment I believe, what you did with Americans lol. ISI working in the backyards??
 
I still don't understand what Pakistan has to offer that is of supreme importance that Russia will spite India or even US to side with it.

Anyway looks like the moderator doesn't like these sort of questions..So better I'll leave this for time to answer.
 
I still don't understand what Pakistan has to offer that is of supreme importance that Russia will spite India or even US to side with it.

Anyway looks like the moderator doesn't like these sort of questions..So better I'll leave this for time to answer.

Strategic location which they think is the most important asset of the country....
 
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