Delhi varsity considers removing Allama Iqbal from syllabus

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

Unko aap Syed ka title de jiye. Islam qabool karne lenge fir woh

Not a bad bargain.

@NagaBaba , what say? koi aur title maang le. Maulana, Hazrat etc. Syed to hereditary title hota he. (Only reserved for the bloodline of the Prophet's (PBUH) daughter ). Or you can be a Shia. They all claim to be Syed.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

It’s a good step. At a civilizational level we are different than the bharatoad so we will naturally drift apart from the artificial identity that was created by the British raj.

 

[salarsikander]

Iqbal was the divisive force and creator of the idea of Pakistan.

Removing such ideology, in fact, is first step in promoting peace and harmony between Indians and their unfriendly neighbor.

by twisting and changing the History to Some Vedic hulla hoo - also please then remove Sarah Jaha se acha hindustan humara

 

[TriptiD]

This decision makes a lot of sense. There is no reason why a BA ( Pol Sci) course on Modern Indian Political Thought should have a chapter on Iqbal. He should be included if the subject is Pakistan or Islamic studies or Urdu poetry but even Iqbal himself would probably agree that he is irrelevant to modern Indian political throught.

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

modern Indian political throught.

In one word or as briefly as possible, what is that (besides hate)?

@NagaBaba , You can answer too. genuine question.

 

[TriptiD]

In one word or as briefly as possible, what is that (besides hate)?

It is the name of a subject in the BA Political Science course. How can it be described in one word ? Can you describe Geography or Fluid Dynamics or String Theory or Renaissance Art or Andulasian Islamic Art in one word ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

In one word or as briefly as possible, what is that (besides hate)?

She has a genuine point. However petty and shallow the decision may seem to be, we need to consider the matter from a distance and with detachment.

Iqbal was relevant as a thinker who bridged the Doomsday logic and dire forebodings of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who took the two-nation theory of the former, and clothed it in terms that could be grasped and advocated by one of the foremost legal minds of his age. It was, in other words, very specific to Pakistan and the ideation and creation of Pakistan, whether or not the final steps were forced by circumstance.

Once the Indian National Congress took a clear view against that, and, inherently, against the Hindu-first parallel scheme of Savarkar and Golwalkar, and rejected the Two Nation Theory as a founding principle, Iqbal's relevance was extinguished. What is relevant in Indian political science theory and analysis is the contestation between the secular principles of the Congress and the bigoted thinking of the Sangh Parivar. There is no longer even the shadow of a Muslim version of the Two Nation Theory extant in India, nor the possibility that it might be relevant in any conceivable future set of circumstances.

@TriptiD

 

[NagaBaba]

It is the name of a subject in the BA Political Science course. How can it be described in one word ? Can you describe Geography or Fluid Dynamics or String Theory or Renaissance Art or Andulasian Islamic Art in one word ?

or as briefly as possible

tbph, its beyond me to answer.

 

[Joe Shearer]

also please then remove Sarah Jaha se acha hindustan humara

Why?

 

[AA_]

I think this is a good step. The divide between the two nations will widen which I prefer. Their heroes are our enemies and our heroes are their enemies so rejoice my fellow Pakistanis.

The more they transform into a Hindutva shithole, the more our people will be expose to their behavior and mind pattern. It already did wonders across social media where the average polite Pakistani regardless of gender is turning more hateful towards the Bharati and it’s all primarily do the Hindutva trolls coming on Pakistani content and spreading their Indian filth! Good continue to ban anything remotely related to us and let’s make the divide bigger.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Fugly Indian Hindus are obsessed with anything closely related to Pakistan or Islam. Lol

Mind your language.

 

[pikkuboss]

She has a genuine point. However petty and shallow the decision may seem to be, we need to consider the matter from a distance and with detachment.

Iqbal was relevant as a thinker who bridged the Doomsday logic and dire forebodings of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who took the two-nation theory of the former, and clothed it in terms that could be grasped and advocated by one of the foremost legal minds of his age. It was, in other words, very specific to Pakistan and the ideation and creation of Pakistan, whether or not the final steps were forced by circumstance.

Once the Indian National Congress took a clear view against that, and, inherently, against the Hindu-first parallel scheme of Savarkar and Golwalkar, and rejected the Two Nation Theory as a founding principle, Iqbal's relevance was extinguished. What is relevant in Indian political science theory and analysis is the contestation between the secular principles of the Congress and the bigoted thinking of the Sangh Parivar. There is no longer even the shadow of a Muslim version of the Two Nation Theory extant in India, nor the possibility that it might be relevant in any conceivable future set of circumstances.

@TriptiD

You called the Sangh bigoted but claverly didn't call Iqbal and Jinnah bigoted. If Sangh and Muslim league were the two sides of the two nation theory, then both should be bigoted right? Incidentally it's the Sangh (whom you call a party to the two nation theory) who dreams for a United undivided India (Akhand Bharat) and not Congress.

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

You called the Sangh bigoted but claverly didn't call Iqbal and Jinnah bigoted. If Sangh and Muslim league were the two sides of the two nation theory, then both should be bigoted right?

Simple. (You can disagree with it but ) Muslims were trying to get out while Sanghis were trying to kick them out. A minority can't be called bigoted for being afraid of the majority.

Incidentally it's the Sangh (whom you call a party to the two nation theory) who dreams for a United undivided India (Akhand Bharat) and not Congress.

Under the sangh, only the land would be united, not the people.

 

[NagaBaba]

I think this is a good step. The divide between the two nations will widen which I prefer. Their heroes are our enemies and our heroes are their enemies so rejoice my fellow Pakistanis.

The more they transform into a Hindutva shithole, the more our people will be expose to their behavior and mind pattern. It already did wonders across social media where the average polite Pakistani regardless of gender is turning more hateful towards the Bharati and it’s all primarily do the Hindutva trolls coming on Pakistani content and spreading their Indian filth! Good continue to ban anything remotely related to us and let’s make the divide bigger.

Pakistan =/= Islam (and spl not thekedaars of)

just so we're clear

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

It is the name of a subject in the BA Political Science course. How can it be described in one word ? Can you describe Geography or Fluid Dynamics or String Theory or Renaissance Art or Andulasian Islamic Art in one word ?

I just did. "Hate"

By the way, that's why I said, "as briefly as possible".

For example, Pakistan's politics of today can summarized aptly as "masses rising against an entrenched status quo that has kept them down for long"