Defence budget up by 18 percent

[Water Car Engineer]

Just compare Pakistan and some other countries:

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[mikkix]

Thank you for this image.

Dont look at the % increases, the amount of money each spending on its defence is important and china and India is way ahead.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

1. $3 billion to $5 billion per year lost through loss making Public Sector Companies.
2. Additional billions lost through indirect costs from the impact of inefficiencies and corruption in these PSC's that control extremely large market shares on businesses and the economy.
3. Billions of dollars in lost revenue annually from one of the lowest proportion of citizens paying taxes in the world, and huge sections of the economy exempt from paying taxes.
4. Huge cabinets at the Federal and Provincial level with billions of rupees spent on the perks and privileges of ministers who have absolutely nothing tangible to show in terms of progress by their respective ministries.

Add all of that up.

I believe (1) alone is close to the entire Pakistani defence budget, but we can't ask our politicians to 'reform' can we? They are still 'learning on the job'.

 

[Elmo]

the problem for pakistan is not the defence budget going up .....it is that the elite of the country dont pay taxes....if a foreign european prime minister says that the elite should honestly pay their full taxes....you really ought to be curious!!....and very sad by the stoog of a govt we have who are dissolving the HEC....now millions of degrees and diplomas can be defunct.

The same "european prime minister" has been lambasted by the media in Britain for this very statement and his double standards.

 

[BATMAN]

Inflation in Pakistan is up100% and US dollar has devalued 40% since last 2 years.
Defence budget shall be linked with Indian defence budget.

 

[BATMAN]

the problem for pakistan is not the defence budget going up .....it is that the elite of the country dont pay taxes....if a foreign european prime minister says that the elite should honestly pay their full taxes....you really ought to be curious!!....and very sad by the stoog of a govt we have who are dissolving the HEC....now millions of degrees and diplomas can be defunct.

If by miracle poor zardari or sharif decide to pay tax it will not help....

Biggest leak of revenue is from import duties, in shape of leaglised smuggling by present regime.
The volume of smuggling has been so high that Pakistani roads have been damaged by over trafficking of illegal indian products coming with lable of dubai and even in some case made in china.
Our govt. is making fool out of every one.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I have a question, if pak doctrine is a war of attrition and purely defensive, how is this hike justified?

It is primarily to cover the increased costs from the war against extremists.

Since Kiyani has taken charge as COAS, the Pakistan Army has expanded its presence both geographically and numerically in FATA/Swat. In addition, there has been a significant increase in the intensity of the combat, especially compared to the Musharraf years. We have had major deployments and operations in Swat, South Waziristan, Bajaur, Mohmand, Khyber etc. in some cases multiple times.

Typically a peace time budget does not include any such costs - it is primarily designed to cover the day to day costs of the military - maintenance, salaries, training etc. Combat deployments impose significant additional costs, and those then have to be covered in addition to the normal budget, so increases in the budget are necessary, and tend to get larger the longer a conflict goes on, because the casualties and damage to men and material from combat increases wear and tear and requires replacement rather than simple maintenance, and maintenance itself gets more expensive given combat related damage.

These would be just some of the issues related to increased defence expenses due to the increased tempo of military operations in FATA and elsewhere.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You have nukes! What else do you need. Change the doctrine to, "if one Indian soldier crosses the border, you launch nukes" end of the story. It seems like Pakistan is still running after the dream of militarily annexing Kashmir.

That is an absurd policy - launching nukes would invite nuclear retaliation, which means MAD. You think any leader would risk total annihilation of two nations over small incursions by the other side?

The nukes are to ward against any existential threat to Pakistan, but anything smaller than that needs to be deterred and handled conventionally.

 

[fatman17]

It is primarily to cover the increased costs from the war against extremists.

Since Kiyani has taken charge as COAS, the Pakistan Army has expanded its presence both geographically and numerically in FATA/Swat. In addition, there has been a significant increase in the intensity of the combat, especially compared to the Musharraf years. We have had major deployments and operations in Swat, South Waziristan, Bajaur, Mohmand, Khyber etc. in some cases multiple times.

Typically a peace time budget does not include any such costs - it is primarily designed to cover the day to day costs of the military - maintenance, salaries, training etc. Combat deployments impose significant additional costs, and those then have to be covered in addition to the normal budget, so increases in the budget are necessary, and tend to get larger the longer a conflict goes on, because the casualties and damage to men and material from combat increases wear and tear and requires replacement rather than simple maintenance, and maintenance itself gets more expensive given combat related damage.

These would be just some of the issues related to increased defence expenses due to the increased tempo of military operations in FATA and elsewhere.

not to mention that the CSF provided by the US are being used up by the GoP and not re-imbursed to the armed forces. only US$900m has been re-imbursed to the armed forces out of US$8billion released by the US since 2001.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I have explained it earlier also..that how Pakistan's defence budget is divided into 3 separate heads

1) General defence- Rs442 billion allocation last year.
2) WOT- approx 160-165 Billion allocation last year
3) 70- 72 Billion on armed forces pensions etc
4) on the top of it your "government has allocated Rs 110 billion for the Armed Forces Development Plan, ongoing anti-militancy operations and a key defence initiative. " in mid part of last year.

Pak's defence allocation Rs 675 billion, not Rs 442 billion: Official

Net total of Pakistan's last year defence spending stands at Rs785 Billion or $9.2 Billion

So question is how much have rest of the budgets increased?..because this general defence budget has increased from Rs 442 Billion by 18% to 500 Billion.

That would include foreign millitary aid as well, which is not part of the budget.

 

[ares]

That would include foreign millitary aid as well, which is not part of the budget.

Yes it will..total foreign military aid to Pakistan last year stood at

covering Coalition Support Funds+Counterinsurgency Capability Fund+Nonproliferation, Anti-Terrorism, Demining, and Related+Foreign Military Financing = $2.4 Billion

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf

This figure can be excluded from the total defence related expenditure of $9.2 billion.

Hence what Pakistan spent from its own pocket on defence last year is $6.8 Billion.

 

[BATMAN]

If defence budget is not maintained than we shall be prepare to loose are soverignity and we'll except it only, if we were selfish and our children will have US passports.

Already anti Pakistan agencies are working openly in Pakistan, simply because they have raised defence budget.
Terrorism in Pakistan is one example of raised budget of indian but no media will dare to draw any graphs because if cricketers can be threatened than media can be threatened as well.

Best way forward for Pakistan is to arrest all ministers and ambassadors appointed by zardari, than force them to bring back their children to Pakistan and than audit them for their earnings and spendings. and than force Zardari and Sharif to bring back all the black money and than send them all to life time imprison.

 

[VCheng]

If defence budget is not maintained than we shall be prepare to loose are soverignity and we'll except it only, if we were selfish and our children will have US passports.

Already anti Pakistan agencies are working openly in Pakistan, simply because they have raised defence budget.
Terrorism in Pakistan is one example of raised budget of indian but no media will dare to draw any graphs because if cricketers can be threatened than media can be threatened as well.

Best way forward for Pakistan is to arrest all ministers and ambassadors appointed by zardari, than force them to bring back their children to Pakistan and than audit them for their earnings and spendings. and than force Zardari and Sharif to bring back all the black money and than send them all to life time imprison.

To paraphrase: "Pakistan's military is writing cheques it's economy cannot cash!"

 

[ares]

not to mention that the CSF provided by the US are being used up by the GoP and not re-imbursed to the armed forces. only US$900m has been re-imbursed to the armed forces out of US$8billion released by the US since 2001.

There is no direct reimbursement from state department to Pakistan army..US state dept gives the money to Pakistani govt..which in turn provides a separate WOT budget to Pakistani army ..this WOT budget is on the top of Pakistan's normal defence budget.

 

[BATMAN]

To paraphrase: "Pakistan's military is writing cheques it's economy cannot cash!"

You troll indian style.....
The source of your pain is perhaps about relationship in rise in indian defence budget and increase in terorism in side Pakistan.

At least our army is Pakistan national.
We are paying expenses for the children of Zardari who are not even Pakistani natoinal, all ministers and their family members are US national and list goes on to some key bureaucrats and ambassadors.

What kind of country is Pakistan?
Whose defence budget is discussed in assembly by foreigners !!!!!!!!!!

Every grain of this country belongs to the nationals of Pakistan not to those who travel abroad on foreign passport.