Deep penetrator bomb

[United]

United haven't you laughed at the article you posted , we love USA strap these 30000 pound bombs to f-22 , by doing so they will solve all our problem . those bombs cant be put inside the internal bay and you have to put them on external hard point and you knew what , that make the plane on radar as bright as Boeing 747-400

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Specially designed F22(x) have been deployed for transporting these newly developed weapons

Advancement in satellite technology can do a lot to counter such threats.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So what? By that time we will have absolute -- ABSOLUTE -- control of Iranian airspace that 'stealth' will become irrelevant -- at our will.

Air dominance - The ability of an air force to compel other air forces in the area to re-array themselves, usually to inferior positions.

Air superiority - The ability of an force to repeatedly achieve control of contested airspace and if there are any losses, such losses does not have the necessary scale to deter said repeated achievements.

Air supremacy - He flies, he dies.

US air power can go from being dominant to supremacy over Iranian air space in days. Any Iranian airborned will be so at our discretion.

well USA and NATO had complete air superiority over Serbia but the managed to get some of their stealth plane get hit by some obsolete air defense system.

by the way when you look at the casualties of that war it seems only one battalion of Serbia air defense entered the war someone think if all the serbia air defense entered war maybe more than 2 of those f-117 managed to get hit

 

[Hack-Hook]

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Advancement in satellite technology can do a lot to counter such threats.

again I say specially designed f22 is just laughing , it take American several years to modify weapon bay of B-2 so it can hold that weapon and that plane is several time larger

by the way its all the weapon that f22 can carry

Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A2 Vulcan 6-barreled gatling cannon in starboard wing root, 480 rounds
Air to air loadout:
6× AIM-120 AMRAAM
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder
Air to ground loadout:
2× AIM-120 AMRAAM and
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder for self-protection, and one of the following:
2× 1,000 lb (450 kg) JDAM or
8× 250 lb (110 kg) GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs
Hardpoints: 4× under-wing pylon stations can be fitted to carry 600 U.S. gallon drop tanks or weapons, each with a capacity of 5,000 lb (2,268 kg).[310]

well you can modify that plane to carry 2 of those 30000 pound bombs , but you must build a new airplane for that , well for the replacement for f-22 you must wait till 2030 .

 

[The SC]

If they put 60 000 lbs on each F-22, they will need something else to carry those F-22 to Iran and drop them with their munition.
Maybe their new space shuttle like craft can do that !?

 

[Oldman1]

well USA and NATO had complete air superiority over Serbia but the managed to get some of their stealth plane get hit by some obsolete air defense system.

by the way when you look at the casualties of that war it seems only one battalion of Serbia air defense entered the war someone think if all the serbia air defense entered war maybe more than 2 of those f-117 managed to get hit

And what happened in the end? Why did Serbia pull out?

You will never have air superiority on Iranian air space.Once you tried to rescue your hostages,and you humiliated yourself.Without even one single Iranian jet needed.
Operation Eagle Claw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I assure you,if by 1%,USA thought It can capture Iran without sacrificing huge resources or human casualties,they would have done that by now.

The U.S. can have air superiority over your country. Operation Eagle Claw was a pilot mishap when in your country. So you guys probably don't need any jets or air defense systems if you are depending on that mishap.

If they put 60 000 lbs on each F-22, they will need something else to carry those F-22 to Iran and drop them with their munition.
Maybe their new space shuttle like craft can do that !?

Never know. China and Russia seems to be freaking out over it.

 

[Hack-Hook]

And what happened in the end? Why did Serbia pull out?

what happened after that was only one of Serbia Air deference battalions had the will to fight and hope you don't depend on that in your estimation of operation over Iran

 

[The SC]

Never know. China and Russia seems to be freaking out over it.

I think that is a replacement for the SR-71, a recce Airplane.

 

[Desert Fox]

well they can use a thermobaric bomb in fact they can use ten of those bombs but they cant scratch deep bunkers with those bombs
And using those bombs against cities is wonderfull way to tellthe world that I'm a war criminal and my hubby is comitting crime against humanity ,and I assure you by no means you can sugar coat it.
More than that whats the benefit of that except destroying several block of civillian buildings ?

After all do you belive a thermobaric bomb is able to perform ideally in a city ?those bombs work best on open fields not cities with high buildings

They've wiped out entire cities in the past and got away with it and no one ever questioned them, what makes you think they wouldn't do it again? Who's going to question them? The human "rights" organizations? The UN? But they are the Human "Rights" Organizations and the UN. 1 million Iraqis and thousands of Afghans dead and not a single war crimes trial for those responsible.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

They've wiped out entire cities in the past and got away with it and no one ever questioned them, what makes you think they wouldn't do it again? Who's going to question them? The human "rights" organizations? The UN? But they are the Human "Rights" Organizations and the UN. 1 million Iraqis and thousands of Afghans dead and not a single war crimes trial for those responsible.

Correct. US with its several allies supplied Iraq with chemical weapons of mass destruction to use against Iran and Kurds. You know what US did when it was brought up in UN? They veto the resolution about it, and said it was Iran who used chemical WMD on Iraqis... No one questioned that lie.

Hell, US could drop nuclear bombs on Iran tomorrow, and get away from any responsibility. Its jungle rules, strong is always right.

 

[Serpentine]

Correct. US with its several allies supplied Iraq with chemical weapons of mass destruction to use against Iran and Kurds. You know what US did when it was brought up in UN? They veto the resolution about it, and said it was Iran who used chemical WMD on Iraqis... No one questioned that lie.

Hell, US could drop nuclear bombs on Iran tomorrow, and get away from any responsibility. Its jungle rules, strong is always right.

Got to agree with jungle part.No matter how many human right organizations established,no matter how many people oppose the war,still you are doomed to be wiped out if they see you as a danger.The sad part is that,some see U.S as the symbol of democracy.
But there is a fact,those people are right.U.S is a democratic country,but only for people who live in U.S.For foreign countries,and especially the ones who oppose their policies,U.S is a absolute totalitarian dictatorship and also a criminal.Look how U.S always treats the ones who oppose it.First they use excuses like 'terrorism',human rights,humanity,democracy and other things to terrorize their enemies.Then they attack them and wipe them out.Actually,words like terrorism is the most abused word in the history.

 

[Desert Fox]

I think you already know I respect your knowledge on all matters US. I am not doubting US prowess and the American ability to flatten Iran with conventional weapons. However although I agree with the you on the facts but i diverge on how these would play out in a real conflict in the Persian Gulf.

Whatever Iran has by way of indigenous or Russian technology would end up being scrap metal after a few USAF sorties. You hoever mentioned the WW1 tactics by Iraq-Iran in the 1980s. This statement is only half true. Iraq was blessed with massive supply of Russian weapons with some additional inputs by France etc.

The Gulf Arabs [the same ones who talk off cutting the head of the snake] also provided significant financial support to Iraq - Which would later lead to invasion of Kuwait. So Iraq was not short of modern weapons or financing. Iran on the other hand could not source any weapons from Russia. It had hard plenty of American hardware but US sanctions had crippled various US supplied platforms.

So against the might of Iraq military fully supplied with up to date Russian hardware Iran could only through one thing it had in plenty - millions of men willing to fight. That it did so on the iranian side it looked like a repeat of WW1. Just blood and guts is what stoppded Saddam Hussain. The iranian fighting spirit, unity and resolve were proven without a doubt.

Against the US Iran again would be flattened and millions of charging RG would be wiped out and this would go on until Iranians ran out of manpower. However Iran is not in middle of the Sahara Desert. It is next to the world's oil supply route. Millions of crazed Iranians would pose a danger to the fre flow of oil - millions might die but I am 100% sure they would hinder the flow of oil.

The effect of that on oil prices would be devastating. don't forget the Iranian's export quite bit of oil. The potential effect of having 70 milion Iranians going crazy right next to the oil route would send oil prices out of the roof.

This factor alone would dissuade any US administration from undertaking any action against Iran.


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@ Arian. It is nice to see our Moderator has sense of humour

I agree with the rest of your post but the bold. I don't think Iranian Generals and top commander would make such a decision in sending millions of men to their deaths against high-tech American, israeli, and GCC weapons. During the Iran-Iraq war Saddam only had Soviet monkey model Tanks, not to mention he wasn't using them in armored formations to spearhead into enemy lines but rather as entrenched artillery pieces, the same was the case with other Soviet weapons he purchased, they were all second hand downgraded weapons and the Iraqis didn't even know how to employ them properly. The only potent weapons in Iraqi arsenal during the Iran-Iraq war were the few French equipment they had like the Mirage F-1 and a few ATGM's of French origin. Iraq wasn't getting the best of the best, their T-72's only had a 100 round life after which they became inoperable.

Therefore Iran's human wave tactic worked against obsolete Iraqi Tanks and soldiers who weren't even deployed in the proper manner, though still at a high cost. It was rather a complete mess and instead of a modern warfare it become a WWI trench warfare like combat where troops would swarm and overwhelm a certain enemy held trench or hill, where Tanks were used as artillery rather than spearheading into enemy held territory.

I'm sure the Iranian have learned quite a lot from the GWI and GWII as well as Operation Enduring Freedom and have employed training, tactics, and weaponry accordingly.

I don't really get it, depleted uranium is very dense, almost 1.7 times denser than than lead, hence it could penetrate into the armor well, but it's not like it has a miraculous power or could explode anything. So the claim that they were flew 50 meters away doesn't make sense, at least not for the use of DU. Maybe the explosives in the warhead had something in it, but DU doesn't do that for sure, it just penetrates well into thick protections and armors. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Perhaps it was due to the ammunition in the Tank itself since T-55's and T-72's are infamous for poorly protected ammunition storage and crew protection.

 

[Hack-Hook]

They've wiped out entire cities in the past and got away with it and no one ever questioned them, what makes you think they wouldn't do it again? Who's going to question them? The human "rights" organizations? The UN? But they are the Human "Rights" Organizations and the UN. 1 million Iraqis and thousands of Afghans dead and not a single war crimes trial for those responsible.

not Exactly , they could escape consequence of Iraq and Afghanistan because they could pin all those killing on Al-Qaeda . but there is no way that they can blame Al-Qaeda for a thermobaric Bomb , look at it even today after 70 years they have to make yearly apology foe victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and hey had to pay compensation to the victims . let say for several times

 

[United]

not Exactly , they could escape consequence of Iraq and Afghanistan because they could pin all those killing on Al-Qaeda . but there is no way that they can blame Al-Qaeda for a thermobaric Bomb , look at it even today after 70 years they have to make yearly apology foe victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and hey had to pay compensation to the victims . let say for several times

I am extremely shocked to see the Iranians playing the sympathy card it was also used with the Lebanon war 2006

If war breaks all hell will be let lose on iran u have 2 understand they will use all there force.

counter strategies should be applied on all levels.

If Iran can make a MOAB and test it i think the war drums will stop.

Something like this:-

second and best option would be to make friends with the Arabs.

i believe second option would be the best or else it would lead to a complete destruction of Iran.

wat u say?

 

[Desert Fox]

not Exactly , they could escape consequence of Iraq and Afghanistan because they could pin all those killing on Al-Qaeda . but there is no way that they can blame Al-Qaeda for a thermobaric Bomb , look at it even today after 70 years they have to make yearly apology foe victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and hey had to pay compensation to the victims . let say for several times

Al-ciada is there own creation, i.e they are al-ciada. They create these false bogeymen to blame all of the mess on while they underplay their own crimes. There would have been no al-ciada in Iraq had there been no Iraq invasion in the first place, so called "Operation Iraqi Freedom", as if millions of dead Iraqis and their families were "liberated".

British SAS members were caught in Iraq dressed up as insurgents planting suspicious objects on roadsides, they were imprisoned by the Iraqi police only to be rescued by their fellow comrades who blasted through the prison and removed them despite their suspicious terrorist activities.

More people were burned alive during the firestorm of Dresden in 1945 when hundreds of allied bombers were ordered to turn that city into ashes despite that city having no military installations and American and British POW's captured by the Germans were all stationed in that city yet even then they didn't hesitate to bomb Dresden to the ground. Thousands of people were literally sucked into a flaming tornado, and on top of that low flying B-17's and British bombers were gunning down anyone not killed by the fire, yet is there a memorial for that in Washington DC the way there is a Holocaust Museum in the capital of the US?

What about the 1.9 million German boys who were deliberately starved to their deaths and died in their own ***** because brave General Eisenhower decided not to give them food, shelter, or sanitation facilities and instead let them die in the open cramped barren landscape exposed to the elements, murdering them without even firing a single bullet. Perhaps Hitler wasn't such a evil anti-semite genius after all that he decided to give proper shelter, food, prison uniform, sanitation facilities to those "6 million" Jews as well as Allied POW's which he supposedly "gassed" later on (in reference to the "holocaust" of the Jews) after spending so much time and resources as well as manpower to provide them basic necessities and facilities which under the geneva law was mandatory upon all warring factions (though, these laws didn't apply to the allies or the Soviets who were sending off millions of German POW's and civilians to Gulags where they would be worked to their deaths after the war).

Are there photos and video documentaries as well as eyewitness accounts played on television and printed on mainstream newspapers 24/7 every day of the year with regards to the mistreatment of axis POW's and civilians the way the Holocaust is propagated? Are American or British people paying for the emotional and physical damage caused to thousands of Germans by there deliberate act of violence against the German civilian population as well as POW's the way Germans to this day have to pay for the supposed "genocide" of 6 million Jews to israel?

Turn on the History Channel or the Military Channel and the only thing you see is Hitler's face 24/7 and about how the "evil Germans committed the most heinous crime in the history of mankind" even though Bolshevik Communist Jews (who were Zionist Atheists) butchered and starved more than 60 million Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Cossacks, and countless other nations/ethnicities to their deaths but of course we will never hear, read, or watch anything about that or anything related to it from the mainstream media unless of course we do our own independent research.

My point is, they will do it in the time of war and simply dismiss it as "collateral damage" and a few "oh, we're sorry, here's a few hundred bucks", only to repeat it again and not give two sh!ts about the lives they have ruined because they know they are the tough ones and they are in charge. They don't have to look into the eyes of their victims when they are miles away firing artillery barrages or carrying out airstrikes from thousands of feet above.

 

[gambit]

well USA and NATO had complete air superiority over Serbia but the managed to get some of their stealth plane get hit by some obsolete air defense system.

The F-117 lost one out of about 800 sorties. Total losses were one F-117 and one F-16 out of about 38 THOUSANDS sorties. That is Air Supremacy.

by the way when you look at the casualties of that war it seems only one battalion of Serbia air defense entered the war someone think if all the serbia air defense entered war maybe more than 2 of those f-117 managed to get hit

The Serbs got lucky in that the execution of the air war was conducted by an Army commander -- General Wesley Clark. General Norman Schwarzkopf, another Army commander, wisely left the air component to his air chiefs back in Desert Storm. Technically speaking, as Clark was overall commander of NATO over the Yugoslavia campaign, he could do whatever he wanted and unfortunately for NATO and fortunately for the Serbs, Clark did almost whatever he wanted. So if Clark did a 'Schwarzkopf' and left the air war alone to those who knew it best...