Death and Name Calling

[ashok321]

The fact:

Indians are more emotionally charged than others.

 

[Spectre]

Its very noble of you. But Kashmiri or Keralite, anyone who tries to harm my country is an enemy and I will rejoice his/her death. I dont expect our nighbours to pay respect for our soldiers and seeing from many thread here, they dont. Its high time we get down from the moral high horse. Its what killing our soldiers out there.

Have you ever considered that perhaps displaying morals and courage to treat their mis-guided youth with decency might bring militants to a pause?

Not all of us are kids here buddy.

For some of us, reading through the lines online and knowing the guy at the other end is a knack picked up over years.

Don't bother rationalizing.

It's not about "your and me" buddy, If the guy on the other end you are referring to is me. It is easy to make enemies, far tougher to make friends out of your enemies. That is if you want the militancy to end.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

In this specific case, Burhan might be a terrorist but he is fighting for something he believed in.

Simple question.
Do you believe the same about the killer of Graham Steins and his family?

Me, I believe both these kinds of people are the lowest examples humanity can offer. Both drunk in religious fervor do not care who they hurt.

No Sir, these people don't deserve respect.

Have you ever considered that perhaps displaying morals and courage to treat their mis-guided youth with decency might bring militants to a pause?

Absolutely Yes.

That's the job for political masters. Unfortunately they are failing spectacularly doing that job.
None of them have the courage to out and openly denounce these terrorists and their cause.
They are part of the problem as well.

But, the problem in Kashmir is not about their independence, not anymore. That is long gone. The day Kashmiri Pandits were kicked out and massacred, it became purely religious.
Let's not kid ourselves in believing otherwise.

 

[Iggy]

Have you ever considered that perhaps displaying morals and courage to treat their mis-guided youth with decency might bring militants to a pause?
.

We have shown them our moral side. We have given the bodies to their relatives for burial. We have buried the unidentified with proper rituals. Tell me how many of them see that in a positive way?

 

[laphroaig]

It's not about "your and me" buddy, If the guy on the other end you are referring to is me. It is easy to make enemies, far tougher to make friends out of your enemies. That is if you want the militancy to end.

I know it's not about you and me.

It's only about you. And the ringing hollowness of your message here, when you are ever ready to name call the leader elected to lead your country by your countrymen.

If you start by not doing so in the first instance, maybe someone here (not me) would take your pontificating seriously.

 

[I spikes therefore I am]

Recently Burhan was killed by Indian Security forces and as expected the usual insults followed. Same happens when terrorists/rebels are killed anywhere with interested parties celebrating the deaths. I dont hope to discuss here if Burhan was a terrorist or gunman or a rebel. That is immaterial to the captioned subject.

My point is quite simple - We should not be celebrating deaths even if they are of our enemies.

In this specific case, Burhan might be a terrorist but he is fighting for something he believed in. Now that he is dead what can we as Indians gain by hurling interests at his dead body. We are better than this. Gloating is for insecure folks - so let us just appreciate our forces for a job well done and work towards ensuring more innocent youths do not take up this path of terrorism.

Kashmiris however misguided are our countrymen, our flesh and blood and by insulting them we only further alienate them.

Regards

So.... from now we should't celebrate diwali , dussehra etc.... what an insight????

 

[Iggy]

It's not about "your and me" buddy, If the guy on the other end you are referring to is me. It is easy to make enemies, far tougher to make friends out of your enemies. That is if you want the militancy to end.

With due respect, this militancy is not going to end even if you hand over Kashmir as a friendly gesture. Its much higher than that. I consider you as a reasonable member, so I think you know better.

 

[Spectre]

So.... from now we should't celebrate diwali , dussehra etc.... what an insight????

What a warped logic.. Do you celebrate Diwali and Dussehra because of Ram and Durga or because of Rawan and Mahisasur

With due respect, this militancy is not going to end even if you hand over Kashmir as a friendly gesture. Its much higher than that. I consider you as a reasonable member, so I think you know better.

May be not. And I am not talking about handing over Kashmir. I am just talking about engaging the separatist. Please dont extrapolate my words

I know it's not about you and me.

It's only about you. And the ringing hollowness of your message here, when you are ever ready to name call the leader elected to lead your country by your countrymen.

If you start by not doing so in the first instance, maybe someone here (not me) would take your pontificating seriously.

Be that as may, I am not in the slightest bit inconvenienced by your disapproval

 

[G0dfather]

News coming that

1.Indian Army was already aware about Buhran Wani whereabouts, they were waiting for anantnag by polls to get over to eliminate this pig.

2. The pig died within 5 minutes of starting of encouter.

3. Pig was constantly talking to a girl over phone and was crying like a girl may be due to fear of death

 

[Nilgiri]

There should not be unnecessary/excessive celebration in the death or misery of others, no matter who they are...I agree.

But I see no harm in indulging in the appropriate amount (dependant on the person at hand).

If the opponent has morals, virtue and nothing personal against those that are unarmed and can't defend themselves and he practiced this as well....yes his death must not be lorded and triumphed over for he was engaging in his duties (dharm).

This I would apply for many (but not all) of the soldiers of Pakistan army in their wars with us for example....or any army for that matter.

But that changes when the person does not engage in this virtuous discipline in the conduct of conflict. When he engages in war against unarmed people and/or directs others to do so and/or is complicit in such actions of his group that do so and/or would clearly attack innocents if given the opportunity....then sorry one is justified in celebrating in the vanquishing of this evil.

The enemy need not be evil by default, but when he is....it must be clearly understood why he is evil and why his destruction was a good thing for the social good and order.

If anyone disputes this, can they tell me if say Hitler's death was not something to be celebrated (within reason)? If the answer is no, the conversation ends right there (and you could probably consider joining a Buddhist monastic order to completely detach yourself rather than just hypocritically choose death alone).

If its yes, then the precedent is set.... and what comes after is merely dependent on the level of evil of that which is destroyed and the individuals own emotional balance. It is not a fundamentally unvirtuous thing to do by celebrating the vanquishing of evil....what is the reason behind so many Indians celebrating Deepavali each year after all?

 

[laphroaig]

Be that as may, I am not in the slightest bit inconvenienced by your disapproval

That's ok. I'm not here as prime approver either. I do however feel the need to point out hypocrisy where I see it. And I saw it here.

 

[Spectre]

There should not be unnecessary/excessive celebration in the death or misery of others, no matter who they are...I agree.

But I see no harm in indulging in the appropriate amount (dependant on the person at hand).

If the opponent has morals, virtue and nothing personal against those that are unarmed and can't defend themselves and he practiced this as well....yes his death must not be lorded and triumphed over for he was engaging in his duties (dharm).

This I would apply for many (but not all) of the soldiers of Pakistan army in their wars with us for example....or any army for that matter.

But that changes when the person does not engage in this virtuous discipline in the conduct of conflict. When he engages in war against unarmed people and/or directs others to do so and/or is complicit in the actions of his group that do so and/or would clearly attack innocents if given the opportunity....then sorry one is justified in celebrating in the vanquishing of evil.

The enemy need not be evil by default, but when he is....it must be clearly understood why he is evil and why his destruction was a good thing for the social good and order.

If anyone disputes this, can they tell me if say Hitler's death was not something to be celebrated (within reason)? If the answer is no, the conversation ends right there (and you could probably consider joining a Buddhist monastic order to completely detach yourself rather than just hypocritically choose death alone).

If its yes, then the precedent is set.... and what comes after is merely dependent on the level of evil of that which is destroyed and the individuals own emotional balance. It is not a fundamentally unvirtuous thing to do by celebrating the vanquishing of evil....what is the reason behind so many Indians celebrating Deepavali each year after all?

Evil relative. I had hoped that people here were mature enough to see that not all is black and white.

Guys like Burhan had due cause to hate India and Indian army, many like him have had their mothers and sisters raped, their siblings killed for no reason by Indian army. They weren't born hating India, some of them learnt it due to their experiences.

In the end all i would like to say that good and evil classifications and Diwali metaphors are not relevent here. IA is not RAM and Burhan no RAVAN. Saying so would be to give both of them more credit then they deserve.

Regards

That's ok. I'm not here as prime approver either. I do however feel the need to point out hypocrisy where I see it. And I saw it here.

Again people see what they wish to find.

 

[laphroaig]

Again people see what they wish to find.

That explains nothing here then.

Because I really wish I would not find hypocrisy in any Indian.

 

[Spectre]

That explains nothing here then.

Because I really wish I would not find hypocrisy in any Indian.

but then your definition of Indian is much narrower than avg.

 

[ranjeet]

Evil relative. I had hoped that people here were mature enough to see that not all is black and white.

Guys like Burhan had due cause to hate India and Indian army, many like him have had their mothers and sisters raped, their siblings killed for no reason by Indian army. They weren't born hating India, some of them learnt it due to their experiences.

In the end all i would like to say that good and evil classifications and Diwali metaphors are not relevent here. IA is not RAM and Burhan no RAVAN. Saying so would be to give both of them more credit then they deserve.

Regards

Didn't take you for a Terror apologist.