De-hyphenating India-Pakistan!!

[Kaniska]

There are two options. Stop being secular and then move forward in that direction honestly or declare yourself non secular and then follow the policies on that side. Declaring secularity and not practising it is one of the reasons that there is so much internal unrest.

Unfortunately, if i would have rein of my nation...I would have done that...But i have a caveat...I do not have any issue expect Muslims...becuase, Muslims are given with a nation. So i want my nation to be secular for all religion except Muslims who are paid for with creation of Pakistan...

India comes into the picture when it supports anti-Pakistan elements and terrorism in Pakistan. Pakistan did not force India to illegally invade and annex Junagadh and Munavadh -- Pakistan did not force India to renege on her multiple official commitments to implement the UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir -- Pakistan did not force India to support terrorist elements in East Pakistan, destabilise the region and then use said instability and violence as a pretext for invadion -- Pakistan did not force India to invade and occupy Siachen not did it force India to support the NDS in waging a terrorist war against Pakistan in Balochistan and FATA via BLA/BRA/TTP.

India's own history is replete with unprovoked anti-Pakistan policies, hostility and support for terrorism in Pakistan, so for Indians to suggest that India only 'reacts' is outright dishonesty, to put it mildly.

Spot on ....do you know why all these things India has done...??? All these things are created after Pakistan started its misadventure in Kashmir...If you have not started this show in Kashmir, India would have been fine with Pakistan on West and East of India too...We could have treated ourselves like US and Canada to each other..any other good neighboring nation..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Solomon2 We might be Pakistani's but never mistake us for muppets. Our land gave birth to civilization when the land you hail from had folk running around naked trying figure out how to wrap your posterior.

*Harappa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
*Rehman Dheri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@levina When I am in bad mood I never argue with ladies. Old rule of mine. So far now I will overlook your post.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Spot on ....do you know why all these things India has done...??? All these things are created after Pakistan started its misadventure in Kashmir...If you have not started this show in Kashmir, India would have been fine with Pakistan on West and East of India too...We could have treated ourselves like US and Canada to each other..any other good neighboring nation..

Yet more blatant dishonesty - India's intervention in Junagadh started prior to the tribesmen entering J&K, or at best occurred around the same timeline.

The 'show' was started by India and her founding leadership, making clear that she was an expansionist and greedy State that would not stop in its march to annex as much territory as it possibly could, legally or illegally, and would not rest in its quest to damage Pakistan.

 

[Kaniska]

Yet more blatant dishonesty - India's intervention in Junagadh started prior to the tribesmen entering J&K, or at best occurred around the same timeline. The 'show' was started by India and her founding leadership, making clear that she was an expansionist and greedy State that would not stop in its march to annex as much territory as it possibly could, legally or illegally, and would not rest in its quest to damage Pakistan.

what is illegal about it?? Whoever wants to join Indian union, we accpeted them...be in Junagarh or Jammu & Kashmir...India did not land with forces by itself rather, you guys invaded Kashmir so based on invitation we went there..Any way, Junagarh is supposed to be Indian side irrespective of we go there or not..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

what is illegal about it?? Whoever wants to join Indian union, we accpeted them...be in Junagarh or Jammu & Kashmir...India did not land with forces by itself rather, you guys invaded Kashmir so based on invitation we went there..Any way, Junagarh is supposed to be Indian side irrespective of we go there or not..

I n v a s i o n .......... 1948 ?

Hyderabad 1948: India's hidden massacre - BBC News
Indian integration of Hyderabad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

State of Hyderabad - That India invaded and conquered in 1948. Does that ring a bell?

Hyderabad State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[nair]

8 pages of this thread!!!!!! Read every post and comprehend.......If you did you will agree with every point mentioned in OP......

How funny..... Pakistani's are talking about Indian hatred and reasons the reasons behind that....... That is perfectly alright, But what they are forgetting, is looking at the reason why there is hatred among pakistani's towards India?????

For those blaming Modi for India Pak problem...... Modi was nothing till 1 year back.... He was just a Cheif Minister of a state (who was never allowed to come to national stage by his own party leaders) just like, Oomen chandi, jayalalitha, and Nitish.......

Our problem is not modi or nawaz..... Much larger than that.....

The day we start looking at ourselves and finding a solution for our own attitude, probably we may find a remedy...... I dont see it happening as long as terror organisations in Pakistan and idiot brigades like togadia, singal are alive in our country.....

 

[Gufi]

8 pages of this thread!!!!!! Read every post and comprehend.......If you did you will agree with every point mentioned in OP......

How funny..... Pakistani's are talking about Indian hatred and reasons the reasons behind that....... That is perfectly alright, But what they are forgetting, is looking at the reason why there is hatred among pakistani's towards India?????

For those blaming Modi for India Pak problem...... Modi was nothing till 1 year back.... He was just a Cheif Minister of a state (who was never allowed to come to national stage by his own party leaders) just like, Oomen chandi, jayalalitha, and Nitish.......

Our problem is not modi or nawaz..... Much larger than that.....

The day we start looking at ourselves and finding a solution for our own attitude, probably we may find a remedy...... I dont see it happening as long as terror organisations in Pakistan and idiot brigades like togadia, singal are alive in our country.....

Unfortunately, if i would have rein of my nation...I would have done that...But i have a caveat...I do not have any issue expect Muslims...becuase, Muslims are given with a nation. So i want my nation to be secular for all religion except Muslims who are paid for with creation of Pakistan...

@nair this may be something for you to ponder about... The hate is not because of what we do... but who we are to your nationals

And yes the nation of India did not pay their dues for Muslims, actually your independence stood on acceptance or else there were a lot of Muslims in India who would have shifted and India would be smaller then it is today

 

[nair]

@nair this may be something for you to ponder about... The hate is not because of what we do... but who we are to your nationals

Just read what i posted, and for a sec let us keep Indian hatred aside, now what?

 

[Gufi]

Just read what i posted, and for a sec let us keep Indian hatred aside, now what?

Indian hatred will be kept on the side when they start treating others without their superiority complex which will let things move smoothly.

 

[Solomon2]

@Solomon2 We might be Pakistani's but never mistake us for muppets. Our land gave birth to civilization when the land you hail from had folk running around naked trying figure out how to wrap your posterior.

In other words, "the greatness of my ancient ancestors compared to yours justifies the evils I commit today."

 

[Gufi]

In other words, "the greatness of my ancient ancestors compared to yours justifies the evils I commit today."

Or the evils of my nation now can be blamed on the evils others did ages ago. I can bomb you because I was bombed, I can mistreat you because others mistreated me, and I can do whatever I wish because my people have been persecuted.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

In other words, "the greatness of my ancient ancestors compared to yours justifies the evil I do today."

No. Your now obfuscating from the points I made. That referance was light hearted comment and beyond the referance of the discussion in hand. You should know that. Please address the points below, in particular how California "jumped" into the union?

No more than the morality of India invading ( sorry Police Action ) of Hyderabad State in 1948.

* Hyderabad 1948: India's hidden massacre - BBC News
* Hyderabad State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Indian integration of Hyderabad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No more than the morality of conquest of California by USA in 1846.

* Conquest of California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No more than the morality of annexing Texas into USA

* Texas annexation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

what is illegal about it?? Whoever wants to join Indian union, we accpeted them...be in Junagarh or Jammu & Kashmir...India did not land with forces by itself rather, you guys invaded Kashmir so based on invitation we went there..Any way, Junagarh is supposed to be Indian side irrespective of we go there or not..

What's illegal about it is the fact that Junagadh had already acceded to Pakistan when India intervened and diplomatic exchanges between India and Pakistan regarding the accession in the weeks and months prior to Indian intervention make clear that India was aware of the accession, though it refused to accept it.

The Tribesmen entered Kashmir based on 'invitations from locals being persecuted by the Maharajah', and did so prior to any claimed accession of the Maharajah to India.

India's intervention in Junagadh preceded even the Tribal intervention in Kashmir against the Maharajah's atrocities.

 

[nair]

Indian hatred will be kept on the side when they start treating others without their superiority complex which will let things move smoothly.

Mate there is no superiority comlex, You like it or not India is a big nation (bigger interms of size and population) Yes it has the advantages and disadvantages, but then you need to accept it and move...... One can turn back at Pakistan and say you guys have inferiority complex, Then what????

Our mistrust and issues are much much more complex than you assume and no one wants to look at it.... Every one want to blame the other nations with what ever they have been fed.....

I did not want to reply to your post on religious oppression.....For me it sounds funny ( i wont elaborate the reason because i hate talking about religion, especiallly on a forum like this.... Did u read my signature?)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

In other words, "the greatness of my ancient ancestors compared to yours justifies the evils I commit today."

You tell us - US protection and support for an apartheid, greedy and thieving State called Israel, or the enabling of a greedy, expansionist and terror exporting State occupying millions in violation of UNSC commitments like India - how are those evils justified?