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I am copying it from your official website
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
So, what do you conclude when he is plainly saying anyone who has not entered into his bait is kafir and "OUT OF THE PALE OF ISLAM"??
“One kind of kufr is that a man does not at all believe in Islam, and he does not accept the Holy Prophet Mohammad as an Apostle of God.”
“The second kind of kufr is, for instance, that he does not believe in the Promised Messiah… Even after the whole case has been fully and duly put before him, he declines to believe in one, whose truth has been supported by the Holy Prophet, with great emphasis and insistence, and whose truth, moreover, is found to have been confirmed by the Scriptures of the earlier Prophets: Therefore, since he rejects the decision of the Apostle of God, and of Allah Himself, he becomes a kafir . When you look deeply at this question, the two kinds of kufrare found to be one and the same thing. There is really no room for doubt that in the eyes of the Lord, where the case has been fully and duly put before, a kafir of the first or the second kind, on the Day of the Qiyama, he will be held culpable. And. where, in the eyes of the Lord, the case has not yet come to be duly and fully stated, and the man is a mokazzib, or munkir, though the Sharia, based as it is on the exterior, also would pronounce that he is a kafir ; and we too shall hold he is a kafir . But in the eyes of the Lord, under His law that He does not burden anyone beyond capacity, the man in question will not be held culpable. All the same, it would not be for us to issue a decree for his release and salvation. His would be a matter strictly between himself and his Maker, wherein we have no standing, whatsoever.” (Haqiqatul Wahi, pages 179-180)
” It is evident from this statement itself that the people here I have in mind I take as Muslims. Therefore, when I use the word kafir, I have in my mind kafirs of the second kind which I have defined already, i.e., they are not driven or thrown out of the Millat. When I say they are outside the pale of Islam I have in my mind the view, by Mufradat-i-Raghib on page 240, where Islam has been shown to be of two kinds: one lower than the stage of Iman ; the other above the stage of Iman. In DunalIman, in the stage of lower than common Iman, are included people whose Islam remains at a level lower than a proper Iman and in the stage of higher than the common Iman are Muslims who stand at a level of distinction in their faith, higher than the common level. This is why I said that some people fall outside the pale of Islam, I had in my mind people who come under the category of Dunal Iman. There is an authentic Hadith in Mishkat as well, where the Holy Prophet said: `Whosoever helps a man who is unjust, he puts himself thereby out of the
pale of Islam.'”
“Moreover there is a great deal of difference between our definition of kufr and theirs. They understand by kufr to mean the denial of Islam, which is the meaning we do not ascribe to this term when using it about the non Ahmadis. Our view is that if a person conforms to the tenets and teaching of Islam to a given extent, he is entitled to be called a Muslim. But when he falls below even that point, then although he may be called a Muslim, he cannot be regarded as a perfect Muslim.”(Political Solidarity of Islam, Page 9)
“It is being emphasised nowadays that the Ahmadis call non-Ahmadis Kafirs. If this allegation is honestly made, then let the Ahrars come forward and prove that it is we that took the offensive in this respect. The fact is that it is they that began the battle and they were the first to call us Kafirs. They are morally bound to find out who threw down the challenge and took the initiative in issuing Fatwas of Kufr. Even now they are daily saying and writing in their newspapers .that Ahmadis are Kajirs. Can they prove that any Ahmadi newspaper has been guilty of thus calling the Ahrars Kafirs? He who calls another person a Kafir without rhyme or reason hurts his feelings and provokes a quarrel. We never do that. It is only when we are asked by a person as .to what we think of him and we are compelled to give an answer that we say we take him to be a Kafir in the sense in which this term has been explained above.”(Political Solidarity of Islam, Page 10)
” When a person takes Islam as his religion and accepts the Quranic injunctions and teachings as his guide of action, he is entitled to be called a Muslim. But if he denies a basic principle of the faith of Islam then although he may be called a Muslim yet in reality he is not so. We do not therefore take Kafir to mean that such a person denies the Holy Prophet Muhammad {peace be upon him). Who can say to a person who says that be believes in the Holy Prophet that in reality he has no such faith ? Nor do we take this term to mean the denial of the existence of God. One who says that he has belief in God, who can dare say that he has none? According to our definition of Kufr the denial of a fundemental doctrine of Islam renders a person Kafir. On the other hand only belief in all the essentials of lslam can make a person a true Muslim in the real sense of the word. But we do not at all regard a Kafir to be foredoomed to hell. A Kafir according to our belief could go fo heaven. We will call a person Kafir who, for instance, has throughout his .life remained unacqqainted with Islam, but God will not send him to hell on that account only because through no fault of his he did not come to know of Islam and God is not so cruel as to punish an ignorant person. So when we use the term Kufr we use it in the above sense only. But we never go about calling a person Kafir. It is only when we are compelled in answer to the enquiry of a person to say what we think of him. that we have to give expression to our belief. But with the definition of Kufr as given by the nonAhmadis as our basis of judgment we would not regard as Kafirs even the Hindus, the Jews, the Christians or the other non-Muslim communities, because we believe that there exists no
such community whose every member is foredoomed to everlasting hell.” (Political Solidarity of Islam, Page 12)
Go quickly find more copy paste job.
If Zia wanted to, he could have crushed your community to ground. Dont talk non sense.
And as for Rabwah, seeing is believing:
Doesnt look like a center of persecuted and isolated community does it? Always remember this thing, if state dont want you to prosper, you cant do a jack. Ask how Sunni and Shias are treated in Iran and Saudi Arabia respectively. Qadyanis in general are affluent people in Pakistan simply because state DONOT interfere in their matters. As long as you are declared kafirs, that where state authority over you ends. You enjoy the rights of being Pakistanis like any other would do including Muslims.
For me I am not on a asylum son. I am working and paying my taxes here. For you lot, there is a reputation of your group being the sidekick of colonial masters and there is a whole history to it. And from it comes the narrative of you lot being treacherous to Pakistan and screwing it up from within. Retching conspiracies against motherland. That is the more prevalent and concerning issue among the educated population of Pakistan then what your actual beliefs are. Educated people look at you with suspicions not because of your believes but your intentions for the state of Pakistan itself. Its your allegiance to Pakistan itself which is under microscope. And the way you lot moan and dramatize things, doesnt do you any good at all, intact it has opposite effect.
Instead of moaning, work within the laws of land and build your reputation, work for Pakistan as its citizen with the same zeal like others would do. Do not, by any actions drag Pakistan good name through dirt. Its your motherland as well.
And not a single building there is built by the government or maintained by them. Why would Ahmadis hatch conspiracies against Pakistan? My family has done more for this country than 99% of mullahs in this country. Don't talk to me about Loyalty when my family has given everything for ungrateful idiots who think it is okay to turn around and murder me. One of my relatives was closer to Jinnah saheb than any one on this forum will ever be, I remain quiet on a lot of things cause I don't mean to boast. But being accused of disloyalty to Pakistan I will not bear.
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