Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[jha]

from the signals from EF website too, it seems they have fetched it.

We should not forget the EJ-2000/GE-414 affair...Then also they had announced that EJ had clinched the deal...

 

[sancho]

I differ, this all Multirole fighter doesn't hold good for me[/B]. All airforces in world keep small squadron of Airsuperiority fighters. This is derived from "Teeth and nail Philosophy". Like every empire in world used to keep best frontline fighters with regular soldiers.

That might be your personal opionion and even I think that it's good to have some specialised aircrafts too, but that's defenitely now the way the air forces all over the world are handling things now. Every air force is diverting it's fleet from specialised single role fighters to multi role fighters, be it Su 27 Flankers, that now changed to Su 35 and 30 multi role Flankers, or F15 Eagles, that now are Strike Eagles. The improvements of radars, avionics and especially smarter weapons made dedicated aircrafts not important anymore.
In the past, a strike fighter was good when it can fly low and at lower speeds with good payloads and dedicated radar/avionics (A10 for example), to day even air superiority fighters can carry large loads of bombs and can use them at high speed and high altitudes too. That doesn mean that you can't specialise a platform to do a certain role better (see the Su 34), but it's not necessarily needed anymore and that's why the F35 for example is counted as a multi role fighter and useful in A2A as well, although it's general flight performance is more comparable to older ground attack fighters (not fast, not maneuverable or agile).
The main difference of the multi role fighters today lies in the design focus, some are designed more for A2A (F22, Pak Fa, EF, Mig 29), some more for A2G (F18), some are more balanced (Rafale, F16).

I don't see any logic of having all 230+ MKIs Brahmos capable also.

Because you look at it too complicated! Brahmos capability is actually nothing more than strengthening of the centerline hardpoints, some new wireings and software upgrades. All this is part of the basic MKI upgrade, which every older MKI will go through (remember, overhaul of the airframe, replacing and adding of materials, new avionics and cockpit displays...). So it's not like it's a special thing that only some squads will get, but it's a general upgrade of the entire MKI fleet.
The advantage of having all MKIs Brahmos capable should be obvious as well, no matter if we use it for land attack at the north, east or western borders, or as an anti ship missile at the coasts, any MKI can use it in these roles from any airbase. IAF will be way more flexible to do these roles, instead of checking first where the next useful fighter is available to use these weapons in a certain region.

@All Multirole MiG29: I couldn't find any article which talk about improving ground capability of MiG29. All article talk about "Upgraded radar, engine and range."

Mig 29s didn't had A2G capability at all and now will be able to use LGBs with LDP and some A2G missiles. However, back to topic.

 

[sancho]

Here it is:
Livefist: Eurofighter Lowest Bidder In Indian MMRCA Bid, Sources Tell Newspaper

And here is the original newspaper link he quotes. Note that they mention that the information is unverified:
Govt to soon close deal for fighter jets - Economy and Politics - livemint.com

They are basically reposting the same rumors and not adding real news or infos.

from the signals from EF website too, it seems they have fetched it.

EF website didn't changed actually, they have the Indian banner since the shortlisting, which was a big success for them.

We should not forget the EJ-2000/GE-414 affair...Then also they had announced that EJ had clinched the deal...

Yeah and about the Indian bloggers and reportes were used to field wrong reports. We have no option to wait until there is an official statement, be it from one of the vendors or MoD.

 

[Varunastra]

we should not rejoice so much!!!!!!!!!..............if this news turns out false then the pakistanis and the chinese are really gonna make our life in pdf miserable!!!!!

 

[Contract Killer]

From the day one I have been saying the winner will be EFT. No matter how much time they take to declare, it is only and only EFT.

 

[sudhir007]

we should not rejoice so much!!!!!!!!!..............if this news turns out false then the pakistanis and the chinese are really gonna make our life in pdf miserable!!!!!

dont worry if this news fake then it mean rafale win.
in both case our friendly neighbour will gonna happy

 

[sancho]

As I wrote in the MRCA discussion section, the high cost of French arms & spares played the larger part. Desault not ready to negotiate at all. See the M2k deal..

I feel strongly that we will get all know how of the radar & Avionics of EF. Else MoD will not go for American systems. May be later we can integrate our munitions and BVRs on EF.

Buddy, don't take these silly rumors of costier weapons to account, they are baseless! You should stick with the official statements about what L1 really means, because that includes way more than costs of the fighter. Not to forget that the offsets will play an important role too, there is defenitely an aim on getting as much industrial benefits as possible and that's maybe the strongest point of the EF.

 

[prabhakar]

I hope we will choose EF.. rafale would be very expensive.. look at the deal for Mirage.. Dassault is a stuborn entity.. see how they messed up with UAE and India.

 

[Nirvana]

Rafale All the Way !!

 

[livingdead]

Sad news. I thought Rafale will win.

 

[sathya]

waiting for spark to comment.. hardcore rafale fan..

btw rafale will never be cheaper than EFT if India becomes partner in EFT..

Dassult loss will hurt more than gmbh loss, ..

 

[Abingdonboy]

And so it goes on.....


A few days back I read on Prasun's blog (Trishul) that he had strong indications the Rafele has been found cheapest and would be announced as the winner soon. It's not over till it's over and I won't be sure and till I hear the words from the DM's mouth myself.

 

[graphican]

Good luck India.

With Pakistan's point of view, its better that India went for EF.

 

[prabhakar]

Both are formidable platforms. They would be stationed against China. I believe by positioning them against Pakistan is over kill.

 

[The enlightened]

Good luck India.

With Pakistan's point of view, its better that India went for EF.

Howzatttttt?