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You should ask that to Sancho you freaking Moron :lol: .... he is the one who is making all those tall claims.



To manufacture super alloys that goes into making turbine blades we need a steady supply of Rare earth metals. 90% of which comes from China .

Even for the SU-30, I suspect the alloys are imported from russia. I have not come across any Indian company who makes these super alloys, much less manufacture blades out of them.

Most of thee ToT is just screw driver technology. Most people are just too dumb to realise that. The only way you can build your own plane is by having your own R&D. There are no short cuts.
Mr. Crackpot with a shitty mind which is just spilling off... You dont have to reinvent a wheel if its be invented earlier.. And there r a lot of events in history where a single push has propelled many nations R&D to state of the art..do I have tp narrate all these to u again.. I dont think so.. And I dont have to ask to any one for proof just like u r doing..fist just wipe ur running nose N clerify UR I MEAN IT UR baseless points I mean give me proof. And this time dont do speculation stuff. And plz Mr. Dumb dont call on f cking bad names to others.. As it shows your mental state.. A retard
 
Mr. Crackpot with a shitty mind which is just spilling off... You dont have to reinvent a wheel if its be invented earlier.. And there r a lot of events in history where a single push has propelled many nations R&D to state of the art..do I have tp narrate all these to u again.. I dont think so.. And I dont have to ask to any one for proof just like u r doing..fist just wipe ur running nose N clerify UR I MEAN IT UR baseless points I mean give me proof. And this time dont do speculation stuff. And plz Mr. Dumb dont call on f cking bad names to others.. As it shows your mental state.. A retard

listen you retarded shitface, don't waste my time with your dribble. Who the fcuk are you to ask for any proof asswipe. Calling you dumb is the most honest thing I can do. Now go buzz around somebody else. I don't have time to waste on a parasite like you. shoo.
 
listen you retarded shitface, don't waste my time with your dribble. Who the fcuk are you to ask for any proof asswipe. Calling you dumb is the most honest thing I can do. Now go buzz around somebody else. I don't have time to waste on a parasite like you. shoo.
Hay u rusted brain... Even I dont have any interest in having a fouled debate with a psychopath like u.. U just have to do one thing.. Stop using ur pessimistic. Brain and stop retaliating.. Jusy Rest In Peace...
 
€ 89 million euros to develop the future radar "RAFALE"

While Rafale operate for several days over Iraq, the Directorate General of Armaments (DGA) has ordered the Thales group studies of a new generation of active antenna radar designed to equip the aircraft French and the future air combat drone; whose drone nEUROn demonstrator continues its flight testing, especially from the Istres Provençal base.

According to the Ministry of Defence, this market of 89 million euros aims to demonstrate the relevance of technology multifunction panels and new modular architecture of computers. France, which in 2012 was the first European country to commission a fighter equipped with radar -the active antenna Rafale-, intends to maintain its technological lead in this area.

Particularly discreet and with a very good resistance to interference, this type of radar can track include air or naval targets moving more than 200 miles away.
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@halloweene

is this translation error or this new radar would have range of more than 200 miles

DGA launches studies on next-generation active radar antenna

Delegate General for Armaments, Laurent Collet-Billon, officially presented today at Jean-Bernard Levy, CEO of Thales, a technology education contract for the next generation of active antenna radar.

This project aims to demonstrate the technology multifunction panels and new scalable architectures calculator. These new antennas are designed to equip forward the Rafale fighter and future projects of air combat drones.


Representing 89 million over several years, this investment demonstrates the effort devoted by the state to maintain the technological lead of the French defense industry, particularly in the field of military aviation. After making their first European with active antenna radar serial Rafale, France intends to maintain its leading position in the field of airborne radars.

These studies will demonstrate the maturity of components and achieve multifunction antenna (radar, electronic warfare and communications). These new antennas will also offer a significant advantage in terms of scope and discretion of the aircraft and will maintain the highest level of technology the French combat aviation industry.

DGA invests in the industry on average € 730 million / year in preliminary studies during the 2014-2019 military program Act.

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will it be included in F3R or Rafale's MLU

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Dear sancho

SU 30 K didnt have isreali EW suite rather SU 30 mki did which was nt involve in the exercise

They did, as they uses the same Israeli EW pod that IAF used on the Mig 21s or 27s. We further modified the internal EW at the MKIs from the Ks, the EW pod however remains the same till today and that will most likely change only by the next upgrade, when the MKI is likely to get the wingtip EW pods. But once again you only try to distract from your earlier claims, which was why would the Mig 21 / LCA be used in escorts when you have more capable Su 30s, or Mig 29s with better BVR capability or IRST and I proved you that IAF is exactly doing that and why, so you can keep posting unrelated stuff as much as you want, but you can't run away from the reality.

who was our primary enemy in our previous aerial wars what was their capabilty & what was the style of warfare at that time

LOL another cheap try to distract from the fact that IAF doesn't have dedicated EA fighters, so it doesn't matter who the opponent was, since if you have that capability you use it for the protection of your own fighters and not based on the capability of the opponent. That's why the US are using Growlers and Prowlers in every war, be it Iraq, Kosovo or Libya.

how did that plane achieved SEAD mission so comfortably in LIBYA due to which system it has

Due to the AASM weapon system! The Rafale and the EF were able to detect Libian air defences with their advances EW sensors, but only the Rafale was able to attack them, because they had a suitable stand off weapon, while the EF didn't!

you better check all those fighters which are in air escort mission like all euro canards fighters for eg[

Not really, because all we need to know is, how the IAF uses fighters and how they use tactics! And when they replace older fighters with newer once, while remaining with the same tactics, they only implement the fighter. LCA is even designed and developed with the advantages and roles of the Mig 21 in mind (air policing, ESCORTS, CAS, low RCS, BVR and precision strike capability, data linked with AWACS or other fighters of IAF..., just a generation ahead of what the Bison offered back then), so it doesn't matter how the Eurocanards do it in NATO conflicts, since every country / force has it's own way and own tactics.

another embarrasing stuff from your side is during kargil warMIG 29 provided air escort to Mirage 2k not passive Mirage 2k


And another distraction! I never said the M2K was passive, that wasn't even the point, but the fact that the less capable fighter (M2K with limit missile and sensor performance) was used for the escort role, contrary to your believe that the more capable fighters are always used. It's hilarous how often and how bad you try to distract from your wrong claims, by going off topic to something completely different. :disagree:
 
The Rafale Deal Should Be Scrapped And Renegotiated

The BJP’s stormy petrel Subramanian Swamy has for long been publicly opposed to the $22 billion Rafale deal, to the point of even suggesting that there was more to the UPA government’s choice than met the eye. In February 2012, The Sunday Times of London quoted Swamy as saying he had initially been told the Eurofighter had won the deal to supply 126 fighter jets but that it all changed after the entry of a veteran French consultant, Bernard Baiocco, an ex-employee of the defence firm Thales, which contributes radar and electronic systems to Rafale. “Baiocco was here (in Delhi) and he went around, and everything changed after that,” Swamy had said, explaining the UPA’s sudden change of heart. With the Modi government poised to indicate its choice, Swamy spoke to Pranay Sharma. Excerpts.

What do you think of the Rafale deal?

It stinks right through. The deal should be frozen or scrapped and negotiations for the MMRCA should begin afresh.

Why do you say this?

There are a number of reasons but foremost Rafale was finalised not through commercial negotiation; it was done by private conversations between Sonia Gandhi, her sisters and Carla Bruni, wife of then French president Nicolas Sarkozy.

Your other objections...

No country outside France has so far bought the Rafale. Some countries had shortlisted it, but rejected it later. We must find out why they did so. We must also know why it is so much more expensive than the other competitors. With the kind of money India has pledged to buy the planes, it can actually buy over the entire company that makes them. Moreover, there are also reports that it is trying to win the contract by giving a subcontract to an influential Indian industrialist. In addition, its performance in terms of fuel consumption etc was much higher and unimpressive during the recent Libyan campaign.

So what should be done about the Rafale deal?

I had written to the UPA defence minister A.K. Antony citing reports and the information on the Sonia Gandhi family’s link with Carla Bruni. Being an honorable man sensitive about his image and reputation, Antony had frozen negotiations with Rafale. I am not sure why Arun Jaitley decided to defreeze it.

The BJP’s in power. Will you ask for Rafale deal to be scrapped?

We have a party meeting coming up in a few days. I will raise the issue not only with defence minister Jaitley but also with PM Narendra Modi. I’ll definitely bring it to their notice.

“The Rafale Deal Should Be Scrapped And Renegotiated” | Pranay Sharma


That guy remains to be a nutjob, but it will be interesting if that actually get to be a topic.
 
They did, as they uses the same Israeli EW pod that IAF used on the Mig 21s or 27s. We further modified the internal EW at the MKIs from the Ks, the EW pod however remains the same till today and that will most likely change only by the next upgrade, when the MKI is likely to get the wingtip EW pods. But once again you only try to distract from your earlier claims, which was why would the Mig 21 / LCA be used in escorts when you have more capable Su 30s, or Mig 29s with better BVR capability or IRST and I proved you that IAF is exactly doing that and why, so you can keep posting unrelated stuff as much as you want, but you can't run away from the reality.

Dear sancho

Mig 21 in those exercises were nt using those EW pods they had their in bulit Tempest EW suite so it does nt matter they were using PODS or not as it was as effective as those pods .

Plus that is also not clear that Su 30k were using those pods becoz the article which i had posted earliear didnt mention anything about them

Your reality on POV= fantasy in real combat :lol:

becoz
your so called low observable LCA /MIg 21 with those EFTS & without having a proper EW suite in escort looks good in your own land against a mediocre / handicapped adversary but not in foreign land
with a hitech adversary equipped with AWACS/ Aerostats /SAM radar/ plus 4.5 gen fighter with aesa/IRST /BVR capabilty .

You have swallowed upon those exercise in 2004 as a standard for IAF in future combat also

but i like to point out that those exercises were done in india only where you can field more MIG 21/LCA as compare to their fighters to overwhelm them plus that too against a mediocre adversary with no awacs backing at all .

That advantage wont happen in foreign land with AWACS/ Aerostats /SAM radar/ plus 4.5 gen fighter with aesa/IRST /BVR capabilty .until & unless you have a proper EW suite either internal/external or electronic attack capabilty from rafale in foreign mission With advent of it's RBE 2 aesa radar + Spectra .









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LOL another cheap try to distract from the fact that IAF doesn't have dedicated EA fighters, so it doesn't matter who the opponent was, since if you have that capability you use it for the protection of your own fighters and not based on the capability of the opponent. That's why the US are using Growlers and Prowlers in every war, be it Iraq, Kosovo or Libya.



you can keep on LOLLING all you want & accuse me of distracting from the fact, But the fact is we dont have the requirements of EA fighters at those previous wars so we dont need them at that time,

we cant get a growler/prowler like the US becoz they had built them keeping soviet union as their primary threat in mind as they had formidabble air defences SAM plus flankers , so for that they require them to do their specilaised SEAD mission to make inroads for non stealthy fighters/bombers

Their doctrine from the very beginning were offensive so they need them .But not for us at that time .

But now we need them
as now our enemies are getting hitech with equivalent net centric warfare capabilty with improved detection & counter defensive capabilty through adavnced SAM , awacs , aerostat plus high capable fighters

& not only in that for doctrine also changed like IAF"S Surgical strike plus CSD .& as usual with nuclear retaliatory strike mission

So that is the reason we are investing a lot on high EW capable plus with improved self protection suite planes like rafale also upgrading MIrage 2000 / multirole Su 30mki with their EW suites to meet future threat scenarios till our 5th gen fighters comes in & around 2020




















Due to the AASM weapon system! The Rafale and the EF were able to detect Libian air defences with their advances EW sensors, but only the Rafale was able to attack them, because they had a suitable stand off weapon, while the EF didn't!
An Epic nonsense
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so your POV is rafale' " AASM is the only factor "& spectra EW suite had no role in it's low obseravilty during those sead mission in libya

& for simply nothing they had comfortably undertaken SEAD mission without taking any support of EA aircraft like growlers in LIBYA .

Amazing !!

6)JAMMING THE ENEMY:
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Not really, because all we need to know is, how the IAF uses fighters and how they use tactics! And when they replace older fighters with newer once, while remaining with the same tactics, they only implement the fighter. LCA is even designed and developed with the advantages and roles of the Mig 21 in mind (air policing, ESCORTS, CAS, low RCS, BVR and precision strike capability, data linked with AWACS or other fighters of IAF..., just a generation ahead of what the Bison offered back then), so it doesn't matter how the Eurocanards do it in NATO conflicts, since every country / force has it's own way and own tactics.
i had pointed out this fact 100 times from your prevoius posts & i am repeating that again


"the fact is you are always thinking on one sided point of view , meanwhile ignoring the enemy's capabilty that is your biggest problem"

the adversary have also upgraded their fighters . They have also similiar or even in some cases better BVR capable fighters than LCA MARK1 & much improved detection capabilty

plus no matter how much you beat the drum about LCA ' low observabilty any 4th fighter with 3 EFTS would have
a higher rcs than a cruise missile also no matter how low you fly .Even cruise missile can also be detected so why some one beleiveing LCA would escape detection from against an enemy with AWACS/AEROSTAT /SAM radar coverage plainly on low observabilty basis

plus you are ignoring that in a foreign land you never know what no of aerial threat would emerge & one cannot guarantee 100 % KP of it's BVRAAM against latest planes with improved MAWS & self protection suite

so having as much no of BVRAAMS is a safe bet for any CAS fighters

{IMO}
if LCA doesnt take the help of advanced EW suite either internal/external
LCA 's role in air escort in foreign land would be practical only if employed in high number with strike package to saturate enemy air fighters & air defences by diverting them from strike package .but that would be applicable in PAK scenario only at the moment

but probabilty of high number of casualty of LCA cannot be discarded also











And another distraction! I never said the M2K was passive, that wasn't even the point, but the fact that the less capable fighter (M2K with limit missile and sensor performance) was used for the escort role, contrary to your believe that the more capable fighters are always used. It's hilarous how often and how bad you try to distract from your wrong claims, by going off topic to something completely different. :disagree:
and the fact is you still post wrong info even if it is passive or not
that Mirage 2k provided air escort to mirage 2k which is totally wrong as it aint as MIG 29 provided air escort in kargil war


& when people do point out that . You inorder to save your face try to degrade their post with these terrible
accusations of Distractions /diversionary tactics to them
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great!!


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Anyone else notice that whislt the Rafale has taken part in Libya, Iraq/ISIS And Afghan air strikes the RAF has on each occasion elected to chose the Tornado over the Eurofighter Typhoon? And back in 2011 it was said the EFT's A2G capabilities hadn't been developed enough and 3 years later nothing has changed?

I'm sorry but this DOES say a lot about the two birds and further vindicates the IAF's selection.
 
I have no doubt that rafale is the best fourth gen fighter in the world in s multi format.

Best choice we can make.

Get it signed now
 
nobody uses rafale ! it's perrfect for us. i hope nobody buys it anymore. a 100 rafales can protect indian airspace for the next 10-15 years without breaking a sweat. even in a war as far as china is not "fully" into it.

i love how this bird looks..very very beautiful bird.

we need some HD shots of rafales in 2014 aero show in blore. as in full frame and 2.8s with proper polarisers and stuff. good ones.
 
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