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[arp2041]

Just to say, i know Lionel Charlet is very touchy about his pictures, so if you use them you should mention him

Thanks. My Bad

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The Gripen is still much undeveloped and a lot of the promised specs seems to be just SAAB's PR and not realistic.
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Would be interested to understand, what you think is unrealistic.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Not that related anymore, but still interesting:



Saab Loses $3.5 Billion Jet Order as Swiss Reject Gripen - Bloomberg

Yes, the Swiss wants schools and public transportation, so they actually vote against replacing the F-5
with any fighter.

 

[sancho]

Would be interested to understand, what you think is unrealistic.

Their emptyweight for example is higher than they advertised so far, which than diverts into far lower payloads too (which were theoretical figures from Saab anyway and would only be possible with IFR after take off) and possibly changes the SC performance as well. Also their cost per hour estimates, which kept changing all the time, even within the same competitions.
As long as it's not developed with a propper LSP version rather than a tech demonstrator, too much is uncertain and now with Switzerland out and Sweden only upgrading older Gripens the E level, everything is dependent on the Brazilian order and what requirements they have.

 

[sancho]

The new Government must move decisively to boost our defence capabilities

The Indian Air Force's Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme earned its sobriquet of being the 'mother of all procurements' due its cost, pegged at around US $10 billion in 2007.
But seven years down the line, and after the selection of the French Rafale post rigorous evaluation trials, the acquisition still remains some distance away.
The project has been set upon by some analysts, who have cited high costs in an aim to derail it. This is unfortunate and does not bode well for our defence preparedness...

The new Government must move decisively to boost our defence capabilities | Mail Online

 

[sancho]

Very interesting!

SPEAR missile showcased for the possible EF weapon pack on the ILA airshow in Berlin:

 

[kaykay]

@sancho Does this mean Modi is serious about 'urgent' needs of armed forces?
Armed with Presentations, Military Chiefs Prep to Meet Narendra Modi | NDTV.com

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Their emptyweight for example is higher than they advertised so far, which than diverts into far lower payloads too (which were theoretical figures from Saab anyway and would only be possible with IFR after take off) and possibly changes the SC performance as well. Also their cost per hour estimates, which kept changing all the time, even within the same competitions.
As long as it's not developed with a propper LSP version rather than a tech demonstrator, too much is uncertain and now with Switzerland out and Sweden only upgrading older Gripens the E level, everything is dependent on the Brazilian order and what requirements they have.

It was decided to not upgrade older Gripens, so all Gripen E will be built from scratch.
This was before the Switzerland decision, so maybe they will change back.
Sweden will also get 10 more so total reduction will be 12 aircraft.

 

[sancho]

It was decided to not upgrade older Gripens, so all Gripen E will be built from scratch.

FMV has today placed an order for modification of 60 Gripen C to Gripen E with initial deliveries in 2018. This is the third order under the agreement with FMV for Gripen E that was made public on 15 February 2013. Other orders within the agreement are as follows:

Saab receives serial production order for Gripen E to Sweden

 

[sancho]

ILA2014: Eurofighter and MBDA announce 'paradigm shift' in Typhoon capabilities

Integration of the MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), Storm Shadow/Taurus cruise missile, and Brimstone air-to-surface missile onto the Eurofighter Typhoon will represent "a paradigm shift" in the combat aircraft's capabilities, company officials announced on 21 May.
Speaking at the ILA Airshow in Berlin, officials from both Eurofighter and MBDA noted how the integration of these new weapon systems onto the Typhoon will keep the fighter at the forefront of military capability for the coming decades...
...While the Meteor BVRAAM and Storm Shadow/Taurus systems are being integrated onto the Typhoon under the Phase 1 Enhancements B (P1EB) package to be rolled out in the next six to 12 months, the Brimstone integration is a separate effort being carried out by the United Kingdom with a view to having the Typhoon fully multirole capable by 2018, in time for the planned retirement of the Tornado GR.4 in 2019.

ILA2014: Eurofighter and MBDA announce 'paradigm shift' in Typhoon capabilities - IHS Jane's 360


Now that can be a huge game changer for MMRCA! If true, IAF could get EFs with METEOR even before the first Rafale with the missile might be available (2018 onwards), but more importantly would be more capable in CAS as I assuemed some weeks ago, with Paveway IV and Brimstone integrated. Storm Shadow will also be available, but basically useless for deep strikes without the CFTs, which might come around 2020 with SPEAR, which both puts the EF then on a whole different level as a multi role fighter, even superior to Rafale at least in terms of weapon capabilities!

 

[Agent_47]

 

[Indus Falcon]

When and where was this pic taken? Details please!

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Saab receives serial production order for Gripen E to Sweden

Yes, but that was changed a month ago, so no Gripen C/D will be rebuilt to Gripen E.
The numbers were also increased from 60 to 70.

 

[atlssa]

Saab receives serial production order for Gripen E to Sweden

They will upgrade the Gripen C with the NG features, but fully conversion is impossible. The airframes are different.
Please note that they will do both things, upgrade the C models with NG features and produce 60 to 70 new E models.

 

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Official news but not published

IQAF commanders have revealed that France offered to arm Iraq with Dassault Rafale and NH-90 helicopters during the anti-terrorism conference a while ago.