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Is this license production, does BEL get the blueprints, source-codes, etc for the AESA Radar?
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Is this license production, does BEL get the blueprints, source-codes, etc for the AESA Radar?
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@halloweene and updates on the Indian Rafale deal? I'm guessing it's now just a waiting game until the next Indian Govt is in power and has settled in?
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The US will never allow Canada to operate any non American planes. The US even killed Canada's aerospace industry in the 1950s. Australia has a better chance of buying Rafale, since it has used Mirage.
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Wait till elections i gues, still i'll be the 13th at Dassalt annual conference, will let you know if anything new...
You are probably right, but it deserved a small article to inform canadian ppl no?
You are probably right, but it deserved a small article to inform canadian ppl no?
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Lol. I guess the diplomatic relationship between US and Canada are the same as Russia and Ukraine (Pre Crimean conflict). It just cannot afford to compromise on its influence on Canada.
Speaking of the Rafale, you guys think it would be actually signed anywhere soon in the next FY or after the elections? The newly elected MoD (if from a non UPA alliance) and his subordinates/other interested parties will definitely want their share in the deal, eventually leading to further delays and cost over runs.
And it'd take a herculean effort on the part of HAL to be able to deliver, considering the huge amount of projects they are involved in already.
Speaking of the Rafale, you guys think it would be actually signed anywhere soon in the next FY or after the elections? The newly elected MoD (if from a non UPA alliance) and his subordinates/other interested parties will definitely want their share in the deal, eventually leading to further delays and cost over runs.
And it'd take a herculean effort on the part of HAL to be able to deliver, considering the huge amount of projects they are involved in already.
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Rafale is taking a major step in India
Dassault and its local partners Hal signed the agreement for technology transfer. The sale of 126 Rafale is now in the hands of the next government.[...]
"There was an agreement on the division of labor, who does what, how and most importantly who is responsible . It was submitted to the Indian government," says a close source to Les Echos .[...]
This achieved, nothing should happen before the legislative elections of May. It is the government that will emerge from the polls that will decide the fate of this huge contract. A priori, it should think twice before questioning everything that was negotiated by its predecessor. But nothing prohibits it either even if this means to delay signing the contract for several months, especially since the purchasing power of the Indian Ministry of Defence has been reduced.
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http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-s...?xtor=RSS-2001
Dassault and its local partners Hal signed the agreement for technology transfer. The sale of 126 Rafale is now in the hands of the next government.[...]
"There was an agreement on the division of labor, who does what, how and most importantly who is responsible . It was submitted to the Indian government," says a close source to Les Echos .[...]
This achieved, nothing should happen before the legislative elections of May. It is the government that will emerge from the polls that will decide the fate of this huge contract. A priori, it should think twice before questioning everything that was negotiated by its predecessor. But nothing prohibits it either even if this means to delay signing the contract for several months, especially since the purchasing power of the Indian Ministry of Defence has been reduced.
From:
http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-s...?xtor=RSS-2001
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Dassault Close To A Contract With India's HAL $11 Billion MMRCA Contract: CEO Eric Trappier
Dassault may have reached a deal with India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited over the contract to supply 126 Rafale jets.
The aircraft-maker’s CEO Eric Trappier today hinted that its problems regarding manufacture of the Rafale jets in India may have ended.
Negotiations between India and France have been dragging for over two years since the French company was declared the finalist in the $11 billion program to purchase the Rafale fighter planes.
Dassault has had reservations over HAL's capacity to absorb complex technology and wanted to rope in other private sector companies for manufacturing the jets in India. However, New Delhi has always maintained that HAL would remain a lead player.
In a statement about the company’s annual report, Trappier said, "We have effectively a contract with HAL,” and added, “We have taken a step to a new level" with regards to finalizing the contract with India.
Offset hurdles have been the major road block to signing the deal. In 2013, Dassault wrote to the Indian MoD demanding it be given the overall responsibility of the project and clearly identify HALs role.
Despite the ministry asserting that HAL would act as the project’s ‘lead-integrator’ as per the terms of the RFI issued in 2007, Dassault in its letter insisted that it be given the freedom to decide on the quantum of work to be shared between companies.
According to the original terms, 18 of the 126 planes are to be purchased directly from Dassault, while HAL will manufacture the other 108 under a licence at an upcoming facility in Bangalore. Meanwhile, Dassault Aviation reported on Thursday a profit slump for 2013. Net profit for the year fell 8.5 percent to 459.45 million euros ($641 million), but total orders intake rose 25 percent to 4.16 billion. Defence orders made up just 1.26 billion euros in 2013, up from 793 million euros in 2012.
Dassault Close To A Contract With India's HAL $11 Billion MMRCA Contract: CEO Eric Trappier
Dassault may have reached a deal with India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited over the contract to supply 126 Rafale jets.
The aircraft-maker’s CEO Eric Trappier today hinted that its problems regarding manufacture of the Rafale jets in India may have ended.
Negotiations between India and France have been dragging for over two years since the French company was declared the finalist in the $11 billion program to purchase the Rafale fighter planes.
Dassault has had reservations over HAL's capacity to absorb complex technology and wanted to rope in other private sector companies for manufacturing the jets in India. However, New Delhi has always maintained that HAL would remain a lead player.
In a statement about the company’s annual report, Trappier said, "We have effectively a contract with HAL,” and added, “We have taken a step to a new level" with regards to finalizing the contract with India.
Offset hurdles have been the major road block to signing the deal. In 2013, Dassault wrote to the Indian MoD demanding it be given the overall responsibility of the project and clearly identify HALs role.
Despite the ministry asserting that HAL would act as the project’s ‘lead-integrator’ as per the terms of the RFI issued in 2007, Dassault in its letter insisted that it be given the freedom to decide on the quantum of work to be shared between companies.
According to the original terms, 18 of the 126 planes are to be purchased directly from Dassault, while HAL will manufacture the other 108 under a licence at an upcoming facility in Bangalore. Meanwhile, Dassault Aviation reported on Thursday a profit slump for 2013. Net profit for the year fell 8.5 percent to 459.45 million euros ($641 million), but total orders intake rose 25 percent to 4.16 billion. Defence orders made up just 1.26 billion euros in 2013, up from 793 million euros in 2012.
Dassault Close To A Contract With India's HAL $11 Billion MMRCA Contract: CEO Eric Trappier
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Funny : you release news before me as Mr Trappier was answering my question 
All this delay for signing the contract was due to workshare issues, isn't it? So...
Yes workshare is established between HAL and Dassault. There will be two supply chain, and the industrial meccano is built in every details, all companies etc. etc. identified and in contact. Both French and Indian ministires were told so. (Reading between lines, technical contracts are wrapped up).
"OFF" information : Dassault isn't concerned by indian elections as both ruling and opposition parties agree on MMRCA.
All this delay for signing the contract was due to workshare issues, isn't it? So...
Yes workshare is established between HAL and Dassault. There will be two supply chain, and the industrial meccano is built in every details, all companies etc. etc. identified and in contact. Both French and Indian ministires were told so. (Reading between lines, technical contracts are wrapped up).
"OFF" information : Dassault isn't concerned by indian elections as both ruling and opposition parties agree on MMRCA.
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Good development. I hope they will sign it as soon as elections are over.Funny : you release news before me as Mr Trappier was answering my question
All this delay for signing the contract was due to workshare issues, isn't it? So...
Yes workshare is established between HAL and Dassault. There will be two supply chain, and the industrial meccano is built in every details, all companies etc. etc. identified and in contact. Both French and Indian ministires were told so. (Reading between lines, technical contracts are wrapped up).
"OFF" information : Dassault isn't concerned by indian elections as both ruling and opposition parties agree on MMRCA.
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Hey gr888 then but can u confirm that election part, will it be a smooth transition if NDA (now in opposition) will come to power.... but from my side i hope soFunny : you release news before me as Mr Trappier was answering my question
All this delay for signing the contract was due to workshare issues, isn't it? So...
Yes workshare is established between HAL and Dassault. There will be two supply chain, and the industrial meccano is built in every details, all companies etc. etc. identified and in contact. Both French and Indian ministires were told so. (Reading between lines, technical contracts are wrapped up).
"OFF" information : Dassault isn't concerned by indian elections as both ruling and opposition parties agree on MMRCA.
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why not? Most importantly, It has more to do with Airforce and they are forcing it to be sign as soon as possible. I am sure NDA will understand their need.Hey gr888 then but can u confirm that election part, will it be a smooth transition if NDA (now in opposition) will come to power.... but from my side i hope so
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What i can confirm is a "source close to the negociations" told me there was an agreement between indian parties to proceed on MMRCA whatever is the result of elections.
Which is already more than i expected as an answer...
That very same source was less optimistic last summer in Le Bourget about the technical parts of the contract.
Which is already more than i expected as an answer...
That very same source was less optimistic last summer in Le Bourget about the technical parts of the contract.
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