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[Abingdonboy]

Both are equally fine. But to assume that India is willing to buy a $750 million bomber, and then it doesn't, just because she doesn't feel like it is utterly insane = \ ..



Agreed, but here it says there is no money left:
No money, India delays purchase of Rafale fighters - Hindustan Times

It's BS spin by the Indian media. The fact is the Rafale WAS budgeted for in the FY2013-14 (the initial payment) but when it became clear the Rafale deal was NOWHERE near ready to be signed in the current fiscal the MoD allocated these funds elsewhere for other procurements and to cover other costs. The simple fact of the matter is the deal was not ready to be signed and THAT is why it wasn't secured this fiscal not anything to do with financing, now if the deal wasn't ready to be signed dhow could it be done? Indian media at their best!!

The Fin Min has said there will be funds for the Rafale next fiscal and the talks will be comepleted soon so it will be signed sometime in 2014.

 

[kurup]

Dassault Aviation Head Arrested , Will it effect India’s Mmrca !!!

Serge Dassault, who heads Dassault Aviation, was taken into custody Wednesday for allegedly buying votes in Corbeil-Essonnes where he was formerly mayor.Dassault in 1998 received a two-year suspended prison sentence in Belgium for bribing members of the Socialist Party to win a helicopter deal.

Dassault’s Rafale aircraft won the Indian MMRCA contract in 2012, its first foreign fighter aircraft sale and the company is currently vying to supply jets to the UAE. It will be interesting to see how India will view Dassault’s latest trouble with the law.While there is no direct link between Serge Dassault’s present and past brushes with the law and bids for military and civilian aircraft contracts abroad, it could be hugely embarrassing for India if Serge Dassault’s questionable ethics dominate world headlines.

New Delhi maintains zero tolerance to corruption in defence procurement and recently disbanded a helicopter contract with AgustaWestland merely on allegations of bribery without the outcome an investigation in India and Italy.

Speculation was rife in the past year that the future of the defense side of Dassault could form part of a bigger consolidation with either Thales or Safran. However, the current status of this proposal remains unclear.According to reports, the 88-year-old Dassault is “accused of running the suburb like a mafia don” and is currently is being questioned in the western Paris suburb of Nanterre.

The move comes a week after Dassault’s parliamentary immunity was lifted, according to the Associated Press.Dassault is suspected of “operating an extensive system of vote buying which influenced the outcome of three mayoral elections in Corbeil in 2008, 2009 and 2010, which were won either by Dassault or by his successor and close associate Jean-Pierre Bechter,” the report adds.

The vote-buying inquiry is connected to two shootings (considered to be attempted murder by the police) which took place is Corbeil.”I can prove my total innocence in these so-called buying of votes, accusations that have been invented by my political adversaries,” Dassault was quoted as saying. “I am ready to cross this step”.

Investigating judges are focusing on huge sums of money transferred between France and Lebanon, including one totalling €18m, which they suspect could have been used to buy votes. Of this sum, about €3m was sent back to France, according to The Guardian.

As well as the alleged vote buying, Dassault could be charged with money laundering and misuse of public assets — sufficiently serious crimes to raise the possibility of a prison term, the report said.

Dassault Aviation Head Arrested , Will it effect India’s Mmrca !!! | idrw.org

 

[dbc]

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No biggie. Vote buying, bribing and murder that's just another day in the office for Indian politicians.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

well fact is whichever party comes to power will have such cases against few of its own members.. so m sure its nth extraordinary for them.....
IDRW is good.. soon it will overtake India TV for sure !!

 

[Manvantaratruti]

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No biggie. Vote buying, bribing and murder that's just another day in the office for Indian politicians.

LOL.....are you saying that they are not standard operation procedures for American politicians ?

 

[dbc]

LOL.....are you saying that they are not standard operation procedures for American politicians ?

Is the US buying fighters from Dassault? I didn't think so, try to stay on topic.

 

[Armstrong]

Is the US buying fighters from Dassault? I didn't think so, try to stay on topic.

DBChoc Sister - Whats up ?

Hows our little niece ?

A question, if you will - Is Dassault or even the manufacturers of Typhoon as desperate for a sale as some posters make them out to be that unless a major sale (read - MMRCA) isn't made they'd go broke or is this a wrong assessment of how the aviation & by extension the military aviation industry works ?

 

[dbc]

DBChoc Sister - Whats up ?

Hows our little niece ?

A question, if you will - Is Dassault or even the manufacturers of Typhoon as desperate for a sale as some posters make them out to be that unless a major sale (read - MMRCA) isn't made they'd go broke or is this a wrong assessment of how the aviation & by extension the military aviation industry works ?

She is fine except for the constant running nose from allergies.

The French state yes, but Dassault is in no way desperate. Their revenue is first from business jets and then software followed by the Rafale. Future prospects for the Rafale, Super Hornet or Typhoon does not look promising.
I think the Typhoon just got a life line from the Saudi's more orders from the GCC is likely to follow.
How many will depend on when the US makes the F-35 available to the middle east?

Personally, I believe the MMRCA is now irrelevant. The Indians should consider focusing on LCA, FGFA and AMCA perhaps tie up with the majors (Airbus / Boeing) to fast track LCA production to quickly get squadron numbers up.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Is the US buying fighters from Dassault? I didn't think so, try to stay on topic.

So how is your supremacist opinion of Indian politician relevant to the topic at hand . You are in no position to comment on Indian politician when your own politicians bribe, kill and buy votes both local and Internationally .

Now quit your comedy routine and stick to the topic.

 

[illusion8]

A question, if you will - Is Dassault or even the manufacturers of Typhoon as desperate for a sale as some posters make them out to be that unless a major sale (read - MMRCA) isn't made they'd go broke or is this a wrong assessment of how the aviation & by extension the military aviation industry works ?

The rafale program has costed 56 billion till date with lots more research to be done yet, orders are a necessity for the program to continue for the development funds keep flowing in. Losing out on orders does not bode well for future fighter competitions too. A long term bulk buyer is a guaranteed source of decades of funds pouring in to keep the program alive.

Lack of orders kills the fund flow, kills the investor base and also degrades the research and the product.

 

[SpArK]

 

[Taygibay]

LOL @ the above, what a piece of crap! A- Serge Dassault has left the company in 2000. B-There was then Charles Edelstenne and the present boss is Eric Trappier. C-Serge Dassault remains on the Administration board since major share owners but so do his wife Nicole & son Olivier ( the real future of the family ) and both CEOs mentioned earlier amongst others? D- Serge Dassault is being investigated for his political involvement not industrial one ( about which E- Dassault never made helicopters so that the last piece (dis)credited to the Guardian is ridiculous.

Maybe most importantly though, Serge Dassault is an idiot with ultra-right wing ideas ( who once said, only rich retired folks should be MPs ) which has not affected the company that is Dassault Aviation in the past and should not in the future either.
What strikes me though is that both Serge and Swamy are more trouble than help for either governments!

All very sad. Good day all, Tay.

 

[janon]

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No biggie. Vote buying, bribing and murder that's just another day in the office for Indian politicians.

The news item was about vote buying and bribing in France, not India. Contrary to your supercilious assertion, vote buying is NOT common in India, and the one or two times it happened in recent times, it became a major scandal. It is no more common in India than it is in your country, so please shed this holier-than-thou attitude. Discard this notion that democratic functioning is a priviledge of the west.

Yes I know this is off topic, but your unnecessary one liner was...well, unnecessary.

 

[godofwar]

The news item was about vote buying and bribing in France, not India. Contrary to your supercilious assertion, vote buying is NOT common in India, and the one or two times it happened in recent times, it became a major scandal. It is no more common in India than it is in your country, so please shed this holier-than-thou attitude. Discard this notion that democratic functioning is a priviledge of the west.

Yes I know this is off topic, but your unnecessary one liner was...well, unnecessary.

Negative rating incoming from Death by chocolate

 

[janon]

Negative rating incoming from Death by chocolate

If so, I'll wear it as a badge of honor, like the 'balidan badge'. I see that @Manvantaratruti has already taken two for the nation. We can't let somebody badmouth our democratic credentials and go unanswered, can we? It's the one societal accomplishment at which we can say we are as good as anybody else. India is not like many other brown skinned countries where democracy hasn't flourished, and electoral fraud is rampant. The will of the people reigns supreme here.