Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[Yeti]

when you put a missile under the wing.. there is no concept called lower RCS... it will blink in enemy's radar at least 70 miles far apart.. dont bring the concept of lower RCS when it is < 5th gen... it is absolutely bullshit..

Rafale is trust worthy.. it is sanction proof.. is it not a better product?

Lower RCS is lower RCS does not matter if it is 5th gen or 3rd gen the concept still is the same.

As for being sanction proof what makes you think the EF in the future will have sanctions?

 

[The enlightened]

I think we need to get over this myth of sanctions.
The U.S is a very important partner for and so we are for them[atleast they hope we would be] in the 21'st century political scenario.
I don't think they are fools to waste such an important partner due to nuke tests or war unless it directly affects their interests.

 

[Yeti]

Rafale is seriously considered by UAE.. so what do you say about this?.. EFT is not sanction proof.. it will not fly when we test Nukes dude ... but Rafale will fly... Mirages are the perfect example.. they won the war for us

I know all about the UAE tender and if the Rafale suits you so be it but we do not need to customise the EF or the Rafale to carry nukes in the first place.


We are moving away from the old days of sanctions, times have changed and Europe wants to have a strategic relationship with us moving away from a buyer/seller one.

 

[Yeti]

European consortium EADS Cassidian wants India to be 'full participant' in Eurofighter Typhoon project - The Economic Times


They are committing themselves to transfer unprecedented level of sensitive technology and expertise not just in manufacturing, but also in design, development, and engineering, which are crucial to sustaining a self-reliant defence industry, a major focus of the Indian defence ministry.

Allaying Indian fears of technology denials and sanctions, as experienced after its 1998 nuclear tests, Maute said the four partner nations were "quite serious about a long-term, stable strategic relations" with India and that it has had a history of reliable partnership.

 

[StrikeForce]

How is Rafale a better product to the EF? when EF has better performance and lower RCS

I thought we discussed enough on this, Didnt we... To save my time.

Courtesy - Santro
Rafale has the edge as it is more of a "complete" package than the Ef when it comes to the ability to carry out missions.. CAP,SWEEP,CAS,STRIKE,SEAD,ESCORT,ANTI-SHIP,BDA,INTERDICTION and probably more.
The EF promises these capabilities, but has yet to deliver.

Courtesy - Sancho

CAS:

Rafale - Yes - 250Kg Paveway LGBs or AASM PGMs (most likely 125 Kg AASM or Brimstone missile in future)
EF - Yes - 500Kg Paveway LGB (250 Kg Paveway under integration, possibly Brimstone missile in future)

SEAD:

Rafale - Yes - AASM PGM guided by SPECTRA or Damocles pod
EF - No &#8211;

Heavy strike

Rafale - (Yes) - 1000Kg Paveway LGB was said to be integrated by the end of last year, can't confirm it yet (AASM 1000 in future)
EF - (no) - 1000Kg Paveway LGB was tested, but not integrated yet and only possible if another fighter provides laser guidance

Curise / Stand off missile strike:

Rafale - yes - AASM up to 60Km and Scalp up to 300Km
EF - no - (neither Storm Shadow, Taurus nor HOSBO were integrated and CFTs are necessary to have enough range)

Maritime attack:

Rafale - yes - Exocet
EF - no - (RBS 15 is on offer for India, but no partner or customer wants to integrate it)

Tanker role:

Rafale - Yes - Shown with Rafale Ms on board of the CdG carrier
EF - no - (technically possible, but not on offer for EF)

Reconnaissance:

Rafale - Yes - with Reco NG pod
EF - No - (since it is using the Litening pod, it might use the RecceLite pod in future but no bigger recon pod)


PS: EF has better RCS provided if it goes to war w/o any missiles under its belly!

Any more reason to go for EF. Tell me?

 

[Yeti]

Strikeforce check out the Eurofighter vs Rafale thread on IDF and what jagjitnatt says on the topic and I share his views but I know Sancho and Spark love the Rafale.

 

[StrikeForce]

European consortium EADS Cassidian wants India to be 'full participant' in Eurofighter Typhoon project - The Economic Times


They are committing themselves to transfer unprecedented level of sensitive technology and expertise not just in manufacturing, but also in design, development, and engineering, which are crucial to sustaining a self-reliant defence industry, a major focus of the Indian defence ministry.

Allaying Indian fears of technology denials and sanctions, as experienced after its 1998 nuclear tests, Maute said the four partner nations were "quite serious about a long-term, stable strategic relations" with India and that it has had a history of reliable partnership.

What about depending on one country than depending on multiple countries. Post USSR disintegrates into multiple countries causing migraine to Indian Army causing shortage of spare parts from them. As its assembled from different parts of USSR, now different countries.

India should learn from that and must not take similar risk for its future supply chain.

 

[Yeti]

What about depending on one country than depending on multiple countries. Post USSR disintegrates into multiple countries causing migraine to Indian Army causing shortage of spare parts from them. As its assembled from different parts of USSR, now different countries.

India should learn from that and must not take similar risk for its future supply chain.

Buddy spare parts on the EF is not a issue just ask the Saudis, people are making it a big thing when it's not.

 

[illusion8]

What about depending on one country than depending on multiple countries. Post USSR disintegrates into multiple countries causing migraine to Indian Army causing shortage of spare parts from them. As its assembled from different parts of USSR, now different countries.

India should learn from that and must not take similar risk for its future supply chain.

Thats where TOT is helpful, India can manufacture the parts under license by itself.

 

[StrikeForce]

Strikeforce check out the Eurofighter vs Rafale thread on IDF and what jagjitnatt says on the topic and I share his views but I know Sancho and Spark love the Rafale.

Thanks Bro for suggesting that, Running cost for a period of time is monetary than the risk of buying a product which is not fully developed is higher risk in my opinion.

A2G capabilities are excellent with Rafale and its war proven. EF , I am yet to convince myself on that part. See i am not against EF, even thats a fantastic fighter. But we need to look at what it is in current form than what it will add in future. Future is open for both Fighters and scope for improvement is not limited to any technology.

In current state, Rafale is more a better fighter and more convincing than EF for me. BTW, i am also a member in IDF

 

[Yeti]

An acquisition of the Eurofighter Typhoon will create more than 20,000 high-skilled jobs in India and support the development of a self-reliant indigenous defence industry. India would gain access to a wide array of technologies from Europe's leading aerospace and defence companies avoiding over-dependence on a single source. Enzo Casolini, CEO of Eurofighter GmbH, emphasizes: &#8220;We are committed to Transfer of Technology because we want to enable India to manufacture this advanced combat aircraft itself and we want to see the country emerge as a truly global development partner.&#8221;



Eurofighter: *News Detail

 

[SQ8]

the Typhoon is considered the perfect "desert eagle". The aircraft already demonstrates its full capabilities in the arid, hot and humid climate of the Gulf region. Thanks to its exceptional thrust-to-weight ratio, the Typhoon suffers less than other fighters in the difficult environmental conditions and is able to exploit at full its payload capability and range performances.

The most advanced Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMSS) which forms a key component of the Eurofighter Typhoon weapon system, improving tactical performance for Eurofighter pilots by providing essential flight and weapon aiming information through line of sight imagery.

Yes..but so does the Rafale

NO, there is no statement from any neutral source to verify this.. To each their own darling.. be it the EF consortium or the French.

 

[Yeti]

Thanks Bro for suggesting that, Running cost for a period of time is monetary than the risk of buying a product which is not fully developed is higher risk in my opinion.

A2G capabilities are excellent with Rafale and its war proven. EF , I am yet to convince myself on that part. See i am not against EF, even thats a fantastic fighter. But we need to look at what it is in current form than what it will add in future. Future is open for both Fighters and scope for improvement is not limited to any technology.

In current state, Rafale is more a better fighter and more convincing than EF for me. BTW, i am also a member in IDF

Im not sure Libya or Afghanistan mean the Rafale is war proven but I feel the EF has more growth potential for the future and is better suited to our climate as it has the best engines.

 

[Yeti]

Yes..but so does the Rafale

NO, there is no statement from any neutral source to verify this.. To each their own darling.. be it the EF consortium or the French.

There are rumours that the EF was the top performer in the test trials but they are just that rumours.


RAF Typhoon leads the race to secure £7 billion arms deal - Telegraph


The Typhoon was already leading the pack after the jet scored highest in a technical assessment by Indian pilots who flew the aircraft in a series of exercises in 2010.

 

[StrikeForce]

Buddy spare parts on the EF is not a issue just ask the Saudis, people are making it a big thing when it's not.

Lets think about it in a 30 years Total Life Cycle of the fighter aircraft. Which will be better to trust.. Single or Multiple countries.