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I agree TUMBA.

Both rafale & Typhoon are MASSIVE in threat to current & near planned purchases. of PAF

I would be shocked if the FC20 had an engine or radar or Electronic warefare capability of typhoon or rafale.

the ramjet bvr meteore is rated the best in the world wen it enters service.

having said that i think mmrca is about facing up to PLAAF not PAF.
 
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Christmas gift?

Christmas gift? : North News - India Today
The Defence ministry and air force officials are working hard, going through complex calculations to decide the lowest bidder for the 126 fighter jet contract.

Grapevine has it that the winner between the French contender Rafale and the European consortium's Eurofighter will be declared after Christmas. After all, the employees of the two contenders are keen to enjoy the holiday season.

So 2 match on box day waiting for 26 dec.
1. India Vs Australia
2. Rafale Vs EF
Let see who gona win

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French air force chief confident of Rafale victory in Indian contest

Gen Jean-Paul Paloméros, chief of staff of the French air force, is confident about the Dassault Rafale's prospects in major international competitions, and partially attributes the aircraft's previous losses in Singapore and South Korea to politics.

"I've flown in the Rafale and I know what it can do," said Paloméros, speaking to Flightglobal at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace exhibition in Malaysia late last month. "Rafale was designed since conception as a multi-role aircraft," he added.

According to Paloméros, the Rafale is well suited to handle emerging air-to-air and air-to-ground threats in the Asia-Pacific region.

"The Rafale has very high manoueverability," he said. "It will be getting an AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar and it has good weapons. It will also receive the MBDA Meteor air-to-air missile, offering extra range against any types of threats."

The AESA version of the Thales RBE2 radar will be introduced into Rafale in 2013, when French forces begin receiving the fourth block of production aircraft. The Meteor is still undergoing development, but should be deployed on the Rafale after the middle of the decade.

Paloméros is confident the Rafale will emerge triumphant in India's medium multi-role combat aircraft competition for 126 fighters, where it is on a shortlist with the Eurofighter Typhoon. Indian media reports suggest the decision is imminent, possibly before the end of 2011.

"The Indians are working on their decision," he said. "We have close contacts with India owing to the [Dassault] Mirage 2000. They are more than happy, and are upgrading these aircraft. They know French industry very well. I'm confident in this competition. They are real experts and did a great job evaluating the aircraft."

He added the Rafale is also well suited for Malaysia's 18-aircraft multi-role combat aircraft competition. A Royal Malaysian Air Force team visited France this year to conduct flight trials in the type. Paloméros said although the weather was "horrible", the visitors liked the aircraft and gained the opportunity to work with Rafale in challenging conditions.

As for the design's failure so far to win a foreign buyer, Paloméros said: "In Singapore the Rafale was in the final selection against the Boeing F-15, as was the case in South Korea's F-X I competition. The F-15 was a good choice for both countries, but its selection had a lot to do with politics as well."

He said the French air force is working hard to help pin down a Rafale sale in the United Arab Emirates, which recently stunned the defence aerospace industry by issuing a request for a proposal linked to the Eurofighter Typhoon and also spoke with Boeing and Lockheed Martin. The UAE has a long-running requirement to replace 60 Mirage 2000-9s.

"We are working very hard with the UAE. They have participated in operations over Libya alongside Rafale and they know what they want. In terms of capabilities, we are in the same room. As for negotiations, we'll see."
 
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Name it......

The rafale..
Less available "tested" A2A weaponry.... as the MICA is still untested and has a comparatively short range.
and the Meteor is still under development.
In contrast, the EF has the Aim-120 readily available along with the ASRAAM... extremely potent A2A mix.
Add the meteor to it when it comes available.
 
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The rafale..
Less available "tested" A2A weaponry.... as the MICA is still untested and has a comparatively short range.
and the Meteor is still under development.
In contrast, the EF has the Aim-120 readily available along with the ASRAAM... extremely potent A2A mix.
Add the meteor to it when it comes available.

yeah But when you look at the fact that India currently have 160 Su 30MKI , and this number will rise to 270 by 2017 , add to that some 110 Mig 29smt/K operated by IAF and Navy , not to mention the fact that PAKFA will start entering service in 2018-20

so A 2 A engagements are not really a priority , what is however urgently required is a good Ground attack capability since the Aircraft is meant to replace all Mig 27s and some 60-80 Jaguars in ground attack role
This was also the reason why we decided to upgrade the Mirage 2000 despite the high cost coz it was our best ground attack fighter currently in service

India requires the mmrca to conduct ground attack missions without escorts , but not necessarily replace MKI in A 2 A engagements
The recent upgrade deal for Mirage 2000 will ensure that Mirages donot require escort from Mig 29smt while conducting bombing operations

Also India has signed an agreement with Russia to induct 42 MKIs with Super 30 upgrade with deliveries begining in 2014 , these will be followed by upgrade of remaining 230 MKIs at the cost of 6 Billion USD

The super 30 upgrade include AESA Radar , Better EW suites , Ability to Launch Standoff Missiles like Taurus , Brahmos and Nirbhay as well as RCS reduction to the tune of 66-80% which will bring down the RCS of MKI to the level of Mig 29smt
 
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yeah But when you look at the fact that India currently have 160 Su 30MKI , and this number will rise to 270 by 2017 , add to that some 110 Mig 29smt/K operated by IAF and Navy , not to mention the fact that PAKFA will start entering service in 2018-20

so A 2 A engagements are not really a priority , what is however urgently required is a good Ground attack capability since the Aircraft is meant to replace all Mig 27s and some 60-80 Jaguars in ground attack role
This was also the reason why we decided to upgrade the Mirage 2000 despite the high cost coz it was our best ground attack fighter currently in service

India requires the mmrca to conduct ground attack missions without escorts , but not necessarily replace MKI in A 2 A engagements
The recent upgrade deal for Mirage 2000 will ensure that Mirages donot require escort from Mig 29smt while conducting bombing operations

Also India has signed an agreement with Russia to induct 42 MKIs with Super 30 upgrade with deliveries begining in 2014 , these will be followed by upgrade of remaining 230 MKIs at the cost of 6 Billion USD

The super 30 upgrade include AESA Radar , Better EW suites , Ability to Launch Standoff Missiles like Taurus , Brahmos and Nirbhay as well as RCS reduction to the tune of 66-80% which will bring down the RCS of MKI to the level of Mig 29smt

here we go again .... Sick Sick Sick :hitwall:
why are you dragging all your upgrades, weapon deals, other fighters ... aint we talking about Rafale or Ef-2000.
will MMRCA back your airforce or your Airforce will back them.
 
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here we go again .... Sick Sick Sick :hitwall:
why are you dragging all your upgrades, weapon deals, other fighters ... aint we talking about Rafale or Ef-2000.
will MMRCA back your airforce or your Airforce will back them.
Because they have some thing to do with MRCA
 
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Not in this context they dont.

Sorry In this context the statement was valid. if you read his post, he clearly mentioned why we need MMRCA. Some ppl liking EFT and some are suggesting to increase Su30MKI fleet by another 120.

he focused on the need for Rafael and mentioned the package Su30MKI will get. This post is well in context to show how India can achieve complete solution by buying Rafael.

 
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One thing is sure is that if we select EF, we will get AIM-120 in our weaponry, whereas we are getting MICA thru Mirage deal.

Then we have most of the A2A with us..Aim-120, R-77, MICA & Derby,,,:azn:

In future, meteor too
 
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Sorry In this context the statement was valid. if you read his post, he clearly mentioned why we need MMRCA. Some ppl liking EFT and some are suggesting to increase Su30MKI fleet by another 120.

he focused on the need for Rafael and mentioned the package Su30MKI will get. This post is well in context to show how India can achieve complete solution by buying Rafael.


I did not get that from that post.. nor was the Rafale much mentioned.
The MKI will escort any jet regardless of what it is.. and the MMRCA no matter what it is will still pound ground when needed.
 
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One thing is sure is that if we select EF, we will get AIM-120 in our weaponry, whereas we are getting MICA thru Mirage deal.

Then we have most of the A2A with us..Aim-120, R-77, MICA & Derby,,,:azn:

In future, meteor too


even novatar :)
 
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Just relax PEOPLE ALL WILL BE revealed by 26th or 27th of THIS MONTH.

but $20 billion for 126 MMRCA (phew thats a lot dough $$$$$$)

ADD

$4.1 BILLION FOR 10 GLOBEMASTERS (YES 10 TRANSPORT PLNES)

INDIA IS BEING FLEECED

ME THINKS
 
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Just relax PEOPLE ALL WILL BE revealed by 26th or 27th of THIS MONTH.

but $20 billion for 126 MMRCA (phew thats a lot dough $$$$$$)

ADD

$4.1 BILLION FOR 10 GLOBEMASTERS (YES 10 TRANSPORT PLNES)

INDIA IS BEING FLEECED

ME THINKS

That is inaccurate. 20 billion would be for 189 aircrafts, not 126, should the follow on option be exercised (which almost certainly will be). That is still a lot of money though.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...1_mmrca-eurofighter-typhoon-indo-russian-fgfa

And the 4.1 billion is not only for the transport aircrafts, but a whole lot of supporting infrastructure, including a half billion dollar high altitude engine testing facility which India did not have, but desperately needed. So far India was dependent on Russia's facilities for that. The IAF is certain to buy more C-17s in future, and at that time all these associated costs wont be needed. So in time, the deal will work out to be cheaper than what it seems as of now.
 
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Just relax PEOPLE ALL WILL BE revealed by 26th or 27th of THIS MONTH.

but $20 billion for 126 MMRCA (phew thats a lot dough $$$$$$)

ADD

$4.1 BILLION FOR 10 GLOBEMASTERS (YES 10 TRANSPORT PLNES)

INDIA IS BEING FLEECED

ME THINKS

are you all right or out of mind do you know population of india

well we are spending nothing to protect our citizen life , well on war only two thing , your soldiers , your weapons and you know very well condition of our weapons
 
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