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[sudhir007]

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Suisse : Le Rafale en grand favori ? : avia news
The Rafale your favorites:

The industrial partnership:

The Rafale International Industrial Consortium - made ​​up of Dassault Aviation, Snecma (Safra Group) and Thales, MBDA and their subcontractors are able to offer a Swiss industrial and scientific cooperation for the benefit of all its cantons. This has affected the entire range of suppliers ie: the military with the Rafale, but also the civilian sector, which includes programs for Falcon business jets, the engine type CFM56 civil and avionics for aircraft and helicopters. Some elements of the Rafale are already produced in Switzerland (glass cockpit, fuel tank and more recently additional elements of the Thales radar RBE2).

The offer provides for the outsourcing of many structural components, final assembly and maintenance in Switzerland for the entire program Rafale as well as research and development. The manufacture of armaments (missiles MICA) is also proposed and the development of helmet-mounted sight GERFAUT, systems are also affected as the system of self-protection spectrum and the second generation OSF.

According to Dassault, the Rafale is the plane that is best for our country, because as close collaboration with both military and industry are encouraged. Also, be aware that the latest version (F3 +) tested in Switzerland responded to 95% in the specifications and offers the following possibilities:

ability to flight mode "Supercruise."
Short take-off.
Range and capacity for extended flight long surveillance missions.
Rapidly implemented in particular by soldiers of the militia.
Ease of integration of the works already constructed.

Multisensor system proposed:

The proposed version of the Rafale in our country is the latest available is the standard 04T with the wiring for the METEOR missile, the Damocles pod XF and the new architecture IDM. The unit will have:

Radar Thales AESA RBE-2AA.
Autopotection SPECTRA system.
On OSF (Front Sector optics) next generation.
In connection 16 (Link16) next generation (MIDS).
Data fusion system NCW (Net Centric Warfare).

 

[SpArK]

France warns of end of Rafale fighter jet production




PARIS: France warned on Wednesday that defence giant Dassault would halt production of its Rafale multirole fighter jet if it remains unable to sell any abroad.


"If Dassault doesn't sell any Rafales abroad, the production line... will be stopped" once France has received the 180 aircraft it has ordered, Defence Minister Gerard Longuet told a small group of journalists including AFP.


France considers the twin-motor delta-wing Rafale a state-of-the-art warplane but has struggled to find any foreign buyers to support the project that has so far cost over 40 billion euros (53 billion dollars).


Longuet said maintenance arrangements would continue for all completed aircraft and that French Rafale orders alone would keep the production line going until 2018 "at least".


Then "it will be over for the manufacturer, not for the user," he said of the plane that has been deployed in NATO operations in Afghanistan and Libya


It is mainly built by Dasault, electronics company Thales and motor manufacturer Snecma, part of the Safran group, but a total of over 1,500 French companies are involved in the programme.


Longuet insisted that the Rafale remained in competition with European manufacturer EADS' Eurofighter Typhoon for a large Indian contract and that "we are in tough negotiations with the United Arab Emirates".


However, the UAE, which was said to be in final talks with France to buy 60 Rafales, said last month that the French offer was unworkable and uncompetitive.


A US cable leaked by Wikileaks in 2010 quoted King Hamad of Bahrain as mocking the Rafale as "yesterday's technology".


Switzerland in November became the latest country to choose another fighter over the Rafale, opting for the Swedish-made Saab Gripen to replace its ageing fleet.


The Rafale and Typhoon are in the final stage of a massive duel to meet India's 126-unit medium multi-role combat aircraft requirement. Final bids were opened earlier last month, with a decision possible within weeks.


Asked why Dassault was having trouble selling the plane abroad, Longuet said the multirole jet was "more expensive than American planes which are produced in much greater numbers."


"While we order 200 Rafales for a 10-15 year programme, the Americans make 3,000 aircraft," he said.


"However, for top level missions of high military value, the Rafale is undeniably well-positioned."


Development of the Rafale began in the 1980s, with a first prototype built in 1991. The first plane for delivery to the French military rolled off the production line in 1998.


- AFP/de


France warns of end of Rafale fighter jet production - Channel NewsAsia

 

[Thundersword]

^^^^It's Rafale that is most likely to win the MMRCA (and that's being pessimistic)....... so this means we can get an awesome deal outta dassault if Rafale wins and no offence to Bahrain ppl here but I think the King should go back to riding camels!!! Rafale and yesterdays tech .... good PJ...
Go rafale!!! (PDF should make a cheerleader emoticon )

 

[angeldemon_007]

^^^
Well don't expect much because most likely both french and other Europeans both are gonna bribe and when the people at decision-making chairs get their pockets filled the deals are closed, nobody there has a concern for national security...

 

[jha]

France warns of end of Rafale fighter jet production




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Wow..One of the best news of the month...

 

[angeldemon_007]

^^^
UAE is gonna purchase on the two jets (EF or Rafale). If they don't select any of these, if they go for US jet, then both of them face the same fate, the only thing protecting them will be MMRCA....

 

[Abingdonboy]

^^^
Well don't expect much because most likely both french and other Europeans both are gonna bribe and when the people at decision-making chairs get their pockets filled the deals are closed, nobody there has a concern for national security...

I wouldn't be so pessimistic, this deal has so far been conducted with utter professionalism (no small feat given the sheer size of the project) and has been praised for its efficeny and competency (no doubt because most of the initial work/reports/evaluations were done by defence personnel). Strict new anti-graft laws and intense global scrutiny will make sure all those involved tow the proper line.

 

[the rafter]

This may be jealousy or may be plain bitching since Russia is out of the MMRCA. But if prices balloon to double than expected then India might be forced to cancel it?

India May Cancel Fighter Competition | AVIATION WEEK

Victor Komardin, the deputy director of Russia’s arms export agency Rosoboronexport, contends that the two short-listed candidates for India’s Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition have effectively ruled themselves out by putting too high a price on their fighters.

India’s politicians told the local press earlier this year that the MMRCA contract was a $10 billion deal, but reports from India in recent weeks say the manufacturers of the two finalist aircraft, the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, are each asking for around $20 billion to fulfill the 126-aircraft order, Komardin says.

“Against the backdrop of the [financial] crisis [sweeping the world], it is hard to see how any government would allow such a waste of money, particularly when there are social problems” to deal with, Komardin says. “And there is no imminent threat to India’s [sovereignty]. My prediction is that this tender will be canceled.” Komardin spoke to Aviation Week on the sidelines of the LIMA Airshow in Langkawi, Malaysia.

India and Russia are close partners on defense. Rosoboronexport’s MiG-35 was on the long list for India’s MMRCA competition. Komardin says the MiG-35 was withdrawn from the competition before the short list was decided. If India issues a new tender, it creates an opportunity for Russia and the U.S. to rejoin the competition

 

[sancho]

^^^
UAE is gonna purchase on the two jets (EF or Rafale). If they don't select any of these, if they go for US jet, then both of them face the same fate, the only thing protecting them will be MMRCA....

Don't think so, they either will buy Rafale or no new fighter at all, because they are more than happy with their Mirage fighters and they still hae no real competition where the EF or any other fighter participates.

This may be jealousy or may be plain bitching since Russia is out of the MMRCA. But if prices balloon to double than expected then India might be forced to cancel it?

Not neccesarily, because the $10 billion price limit was always speculated by the media (some said $12 billions), not to forget that the new MMRCA is aimed on higher benefits for Indian industry with the high ammount of offsets, so the more we pay, the more we also get in return for our own industry. Also, the simple fact that the 2 most expensive fighters was shortlisted and not a single of the cheap fighters, says that MoD/GoI knows exactly about how much they want to pay. If there would be a problem with the costs of Rafale and EF, they could have shortlisted the F18SH as a cheaper and more proven alternative too, but it wasn't because low unit cost is not important in this competition.

 

[sancho]

Raptor snapshots by the Rafale

At LIMA 2011 air show in Malaysia, Dassault released a set of imagery from an apparent engagement between the Rafale and the Lockheed Martin F-22. One of the images have been released before, and it came from the sort-of-friendly fighter jet show-down in November 2009 at Al Dhafra AB, United Arab Emirates.

The imagery was released as part of a plug for the Rafale's infrared search and track sensor, called the Thales front sector optronics system.

These are desperate times for Dassault's fighter programme. The manufacturing house that produced the Mirage and Rafale fighter series has lost a series of competitions, including most recently in Switzerland. Defense Minister Gerard Longuet warned yesterday that the Rafale line will be closed in the absence of export orders. That may seem like merely stating the obvious, but the timing of Longuet's statement makes it a warning. India is rumoured to be set to announce tomorrow the outcome of the competition for the medium multi-rote combat aircraft (MMRCA), with only the Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon still in the running.

PICTURE: Raptor snapshots by the Rafale - The DEW Line

 

[Abingdonboy]

^^^ well this is news. What rumours? Last I heard it was " middle of December".

 

[sancho]

Wow..One of the best news of the month...

Read between the lines my friend! France (in this case the government) shoots against it's own manufacturer, do you really think they do it without any reasons?
Keep in mind the reports from Dubai air show, that the UAE officials are disappointed by Dassault, but highly praised the involvement of the French government in their deal. The French government is just putting pressure on Dassault, while they keep commit themselfs on Rafale on the other side:

Rafale production, secured beyond 2020 at least

...Edit december 8 :
To clarify Gerard Longuet statement, the Ministry of Defense has issued an official note stating :
"If Dassault does not export the Rafale, The production for the French army will not end before 2030. The deliveries will spread long after 2020. In the meantime, the aircraft will get upgrades between 2020 and 2030"

Rafale News: Rafale production, secured beyond 2020 at least

 

[the rafter]

Don't think so, they either will buy Rafale or no new fighter at all, because they are more than happy with their Mirage fighters and they still hae no real competition where the EF or any other fighter participates.


Not neccesarily, because the $10 billion price limit was always speculated by the media (some said $12 billions), not to forget that the new MMRCA is aimed on higher benefits for Indian industry with the high ammount of offsets, so the more we pay, the more we also get in return for our own industry. Also, the simple fact that the 2 most expensive fighters was shortlisted and not a single of the cheap fighters, says that MoD/GoI knows exactly about how much they want to pay. If there would be a problem with the costs of Rafale and EF, they could have shortlisted the F18SH as a cheaper and more proven alternative too, but it wasn't because low unit cost is not important in this competition.

Even though you may be right in your interpretation, eventually it will be GoI and the finance dept. that has to approve the deal (price of this deal). Deviously, it may be possible that the Airforce/MoD intentionally short-listed two expensive jets knowing they would be rejected at later stages on the basis of price
Therefore, scrapping the old tender and making way for a new modified tender (read: 5th gen. fighter jet).

 

[sancho]

Even though you may be right in your interpretation, eventually it will be GoI and the finance dept. that has to approve the deal (price of this deal). Deviously, it may be possible that the Airforce/MoD intentionally short-listed two expensive jets knowing they would be rejected at later stages on the basis of price
Therefore, scrapping the old tender and making way for a new modified tender (read: 5th gen. fighter jet).

My friend, MoD which is part of the GoI shortlisted Rafale and EF, not IAF! IAF only made the technical evaluations and transfered the results to MoD, they then analysed them combined with other requirements and get to a decision, for which even IAF eagerly was waiting. Since april/may IAF is basically out of the game and has to wait what the government will decide at the end and we saw the same procedure in the Swiss, where the government at the end decided completelly against the decision of the air force and their evaluations.
Btw, scrapping the tender for 5th gen fighters makes no sense, because we already will get one, maybe even two and IAF wanted the fast and cost-effective solution (Mirage 2000-5) in the past, while GoI/MoD choosed to get into the more costly competiton. So that reason is more than doubtful!

 

[angeldemon_007]

Don't think so, they either will buy Rafale or no new fighter at all, because they are more than happy with their Mirage fighters and they still hae no real competition where the EF or any other fighter participates.

Well IAF is also happy with Mirage but that doesnot mean India or UAE will pay whatever French ask them to pay. The french offer to both India and UAE are way too expensive as compared to the aircraft's worth and this is the reason why Rafale is losing everywhere. EF Consortium have bend alot for MMRCA while French are not ready to bend and this may cost them at both places. In both places French will have to make their offer alot sweeter to beat EF.