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Kindly Pardon my ignorance but i beleive this rafale is a bit broader & better locking than the one in MRCA competition , if some person can help me it will be highly appericiated

 

[sudhir007]

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The Federal Council has chosen today as the new Swedish Gripen fighter aircraft, said sources familiar with the matter.

A decision should be announced before the end of the year. The Federal Council would have taken at its meeting this morning in favor of the cheaper of the three planes in the running: the Swedish Gripen, said sources familiar with the matter at Newsnet / tagesanzeiger.ch.

The acquisition of 22 aircraft of this type will cost about 3 billion francs, or CHF 1 billion less than if the choice was the Rafale or Eurofighter.

The question of the purchase price will have played a role, given the low financial flexibility available to the Confederation.

For this reason, the Federal Council had deferred to the 2015 purchase of 22 aircraft that will replace the Tiger. At its autumn session, the Parliament has pushed the government to make a quick decision.

If the announcement of the purchase of 22 new aircraft is confirmed, it is likely that budget cuts and savings measures will be announced in other areas, such as education, training and research, the field agricultural or infrastructure spending.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Gripen is good fighter jet and cheap... we should have considered purchasing it. We could bend Swedish arm as much as we want and they are also willing to give whatever we want.

 

[sudhir007]

Gripen is good fighter jet and cheap... we should have considered purchasing it. We could bend Swedish arm as much as we want and they are also willing to give whatever we want.

May be yes but we want best fighter plane not cheap and remember Gripen NG which they offer is only in testing mode. If im not ronge it will come at production in 2015 may be 1-2yr later we have our own LCA-mk2 which is very close to Gripen.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Gripen is good fighter jet and cheap... we should have considered purchasing it. We could bend Swedish arm as much as we want and they are also willing to give whatever we want.

IIRC,the swiss air chief or some other high ranking official stated that the Gripen did not qualify.

 

[Thundersword]

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[angeldemon_007]

May be yes but we want best fighter plane not cheap and remember Gripen NG which they offer is only in testing mode. If im not ronge it will come at production in 2015 may be 1-2yr later we have our own LCA-mk2 which is very close to Gripen.

Well the EF version offered to us is also getting ready by 2015 then whats the problem if Gripen comes in 2015 ? Also Gripen NG will enter in production by 2017 but it will enter into production by 2013-2015 if India chooses it. Also we should be a little realistic, EF and rafAle are expensive aircrafts and we don't have money or even if we have we have lot of things, so we should not spend everything in MMRCA.

IIRC,the swiss air chief or some other high ranking official stated that the Gripen did not qualify.

Brazilian Air Force favorite is also Gripen but their government is looking towards Rafale because of their precious deal with French.

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

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[the rafter]

Sorry for the re-post

 

[mastaan]

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Hi Thunder,

First, it is not readable clearly on my computer and for some strange reason, I can't even download it to read it.... So, apologies for making a comment without even reading it

Second, this looks like an Apples versus Oranges stuff... To see a generation 4+ fighter alongside futuristic, and much advanced (atleast they are envisaged so) 5th generation fighters is reason enough not to waste your time on such an article (even if it means that typhoon can or can not mature into something huge)... MMRCA has a distinct need and timeline requirement. To even bring in discussion around for a new and still on the design board fighter for those relevant timelines and critical current needs is a crime and thus we shouldn't even look at any futuristic scenario for MMRCA... We need a fighter now and it should be worthy and relevant for the next decade and that is just the two questions... everything else (including developmental capabilities or relevance or future competition) is just irrelevant and a distraction... Wouldn't your agree? my 2 cents

 

[the rafter]

RPT-Swiss opt for Saab's Gripen fighter jets - paper

Nov 30 (Reuters) - Switzerland has chosen to replace its fighter jet fleet with Swedish defence and aerospace group Saab's JAS-39 Gripen, Swiss newspaper Tagesanzeiger reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources close to the government.

Neutral Switzerland has wrangled for the past three years over whether to replace its ageing Northrop F-5E/F Tiger fighters, purchased in 1976 and 1981, with up to 33 new aircraft.

Saab shares were up 8.5 percent to 117.10 Swedish crowns by 1345 GMT after the newspaper report.

The newspaper said the cost of purchasing 22 jets would be about 3 billion Swiss francs ($3.3 billion), 1 billion less than the same number of rival models would cost.

In September, the Swiss lower house of parliament approved a 5 billion francs defence budget for 2013 to finance a 100,000 strong army and the purchase of new fighter jets.

Other bidders included the Rafale built by french company Dassault Aviation and EADS's Anglo-German-Italian Eurofighter Typhoon. ($1 = 0.9207 Swiss franc) (Reporting by Caroline Copley; Editing by Dan Lalor)

RPT-Swiss opt for Saab's Gripen fighter jets - paper | Reuters

Sorry for the re-post, immaterial of what has been said by the MOD, price could be important deciding factor for MMRCA.

 

[Storm Force]

Gripen NG was only 25% cheaper.

But i envisage both rafale & typhoon are MORE THAN 25% superior to NG.

GRIPENS LACK OF RANGE PAYLOAD ETC wud be wrong choice for IAF they need a twin engined MMRCA

 

[kingdurgaking]

seems to be a bad news for dassault

 

[sancho]

Gripen is good fighter jet and cheap... we should have considered purchasing it. We could bend Swedish arm as much as we want and they are also willing to give whatever we want.

Depends on what "good" means! For Switzerland, a country that is neutral, has no border issues with other countries, don't participates in any kind of military interventions, with a pure need of air policing capability...

...even 2nd hand Mirage 2000s, Gripen C/D, F16 B52s would be more than good fighters, but that doesn't mean it is a good fighter in comparison with other latest fighters and the evaluations showed this:

Rafale News: Switzerland, Armasuisse officialy ranks the Rafale first


As you can see, technically the Gripen did not even met the minimum requirments of their air force and even the government officials, points out why they really took this decision:

Sale bang for the Rafale in Switzerland (updated)
The Helvetic Confederation prefer the Gripen for reasons of price ... against the advice of military

Fernand Carrel, the commander of the Swiss Air Force, regretted the choice of the Federal Council. "All experts know that the Rafale is the best," he said on Radio Suisse Romande.

The Swiss authorities have explained that "financial arguments have played a decisive role in choosing the type of aircraft.

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For India Gripen was a no go from the start, too less performance (confirmed by Swiss and Brazilian evaluations), too less industrial and political advantages and waaaay too close to Tejas. A procurement of Gripen had killed it without any doubt!

However, it's a very surprising decision from Swiss government, but good for Saab, because it now has some future potential again.

 

[sancho]

Well the EF version offered to us is also getting ready by 2015 then whats the problem if Gripen comes in 2015 ?

The difference between Gripen E/F and the Eurofighter T3B or Rafale F3+ is, that the earlier is a complete new fighter that is not even available today, while the latter are just the same fighters that are operational now or within the next few years, but with some upgrades...
Gripen E/F is based on older Gripen versions but is not just an upgraded version, it has a new airframe, new engine, new radar, new IRST (had no IRST before) and upgraded avionics. That's why the risk in buying it is way higher than buying an EF or Rafale and why most of the performance and cost calculations are only estimated today. There should be no doubt that it will be cheaper to operate than EF or Rafale and that's why Swiss seems to have chosen it, regardless of risks or performance issues. India and Indian forces can't efford to take such a risk with LCA, FGFA and other aircrafts under development, just like they can't take the risk of performance issues in this neighbourhood.

Kindly Pardon my ignorance but i beleive this rafale is a bit broader & better locking than the one in MRCA competition , if some person can help me it will be highly appericiated

That's no real picture, but a computer render, that's why it looks different, but nice anyway.