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[Agnostic_Indian]

Is there US technology in the Typhoon ?

 

[GareebNawaz]

^^^ I hope SuperHornet and Typhoon win..

 

[Veritas]

I really want to India save some money, and Gripen is the choice. Single engine implies lower maintenance costs. India is not going to fight a war anytime soon... too much boogie man antics and tactics.

No one can afford war right now, so just get some cheap and best stuff.. I would really like a F-35 but that thing is too damn expensive.

 

[GareebNawaz]

Gripen..a totally useless aircraft for india

 

[the rafter]

Eurofighter Typhoon: ultimate air power on display at IDEX 2011 in Abu Dhabi - Zawya

Eurofighter Typhoon will participate in the 10th edition of the International Defence Exhibition and Conference (IDEX) 2011, the largest defence and security event in the Middle East and North African region which takes place from Sunday 20th to Thursday 24th February, at the Abu Dhabi National Exhibition Centre (ADNEC), in the United Arab Emirates.
Held under the patronage of His Highness Sheikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, President of the UAE and Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, IDEX 2011 is a perfect showcase for the Typhoon, the most advanced multi-role combat aircraft available on the market today.

Eurofighter will display a selection from the full range of capabilities of the Typhoon at the show, including:

The Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar that offers an optimised array with the addition of an innovative re-positioner to broaden the field of regard to +/- 1000, some 50% wider than traditional fixed plate AESA radar systems on offer with other fighters.

The most advanced Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMSS) that forms a key component of Eurofighter Typhoon's weapon system, improving tactical performance for Eurofighter pilots by providing essential flight and weapon aiming information through line of sight imagery.

The Meteor missile, considered the "game changer" in terms of kill probablity thanks to its dynamic performances, speed and range.

The Thrust Vectoring Nozzle for the Eurojet EJ200 engines.

The technological development of the Typhoon opens the door to industrial collaborations between local industry and Eurofighter's partner companies. The programme offers the opportunity to develop a partnership with the biggest and most advanced European high-tech aerospace companies within the growing technology and industrial base of the Gulf region.

Already in service with the Royal Saudi Air Force, the Typhoon is considered the perfect "desert eagle". The aircraft already demonstrates its full capabilities in the hot and humid climate of the Gulf region. Thanks to its exceptional thrust-to-weight ratio, the Typhoon suffers less than other fighters in challenging environments and is able to fully exploit its payload capability and range performances.

Totally interoperable with current and predicted Gulf and allied Air Forces assets, the Typhoon is the ideal coalition fighter to offer deterrence to the Gulf States today and in the future.

 

[the rafter]

Why India should decide on a fighter plane soon - Rediff.com India News

With India [ Images ] set to augment its ageing fleet of aircraft, Aziz Haniffa looks at a report that makes a strong case for Indians to go for the American offerings, even if it means that both India and Pakistan could use the same aircraft.

A report by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has reinforced the Barack Obama [ Images ] administration's campaign to lobby the Indian government to award the $11 billion contract for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft to US manufacturers.

The 142-page report titled 'Dogfight! India's Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft Competition,' authored by Mumbai-born Ashley Tellis, presents a detailed evaluation of the technical and strategic advantages of each competitor in the context of South Asia's changing patterns of air warfare, China and Pakistan's airpower modernisation, and force structure transformations in the Indian Air Force.

Tellis, a senior associate with the Carnegie Endowment, who served in the George Bush [ Images ] administration, both in the State Department and National Security Council, told rediff.com that he strongly believed "it is appropriate that the Obama administration champion the two US fighters (Boeing's F-18 and Lockheed Martin's F-16s) in the competition just as it is appropriate for the Indian government to take political factors into account when making its final decision."

However, he argued that his report showed that "there are strong technical, cost and programmatic reasons for India to favour US aircraft, even if political considerations are discounted."

Tellis said, "When one looks at the sum total of capabilities-sensors and avionics, weapons, situational awareness, and manoeuvrability-the US contenders, on balance, are better than their European counterparts."

"When one factors in costs, the US contenders come our substantially ahead," he noted, and added, "If growth potential is taken into account, the F-18E/F Super Hornet becomes a fantastic choice-and is just as attractive as any of its European counterparts."

Tellis said that the US "has major stakes in this outcome because for the last 10 years we have struggled to make the case for a strong US-India defence partnership and during the Bush administration the decision was made to offer, in a sense, the best plans that we could muster and that were relevant to the medium-role aircraft that India is looking to buy. So, we have a stake that this come out in a particular way," both for financial and political reasons, he said.

Exploring the regional context of the acquisition, Tellis said that India's air force squadrons have been steadily dissipating and argued that "in the late 1980s the Indian Air Force had a three-to-one air superiority over Pakistan. Today, the Indian Air Force can barely muster a 1.6 to one superiority over Pakistan. So, that's been a very sharp decline over two decades."

With regard to China, Tellis said, "There was a time when-although the Chinese always had a larger air force-the size of the Indian Air Force and the quality of its airplanes were always larger than the high-end segment of the Chinese Air Force." Today, that's completely changed. The Chinese Air Force has dropped in size from a 5,000 airplane force about 20 years ago -- it's somewhere in the region of about 1,700 airplanes. But is moving to a point where the high end of the Chinese Air Force will be larger than the total force-size of the Indian Air Force itself in the years to come.'

Thus, Tellis said, "This is a very dramatic change in the airpower balances and this is something that India needs to think carefully about as it makes its MMRCA decision."

"And so, I have one very importance piece of advice for the Indian government. And, that is, whatever you do, buy the airplane quickly because you cannot afford to have force-sizes continue to drop in the way that they have over the last 20 years."

Tellis also strongly recommended to the Indian government to "please buy a single airplane -- don't buy two airplanes. Because there is always the danger that the government might think about splitting the buy in order to satisfy political exigencies. A split buy is not a good idea from the the point of view of the air force because it would eventually, first, make the problems of force diversity -- which are already very problematic in the Indian Air Force -- even worse. And, I believe that the political gains from that strategy would also be relatively meager."

Tellis acknowledged that there very well could be a prejudice against the F-16s in India , since Pakistan has F-16s too in its inventory and said he believed "this is going to be one of the specific challenges that the F-16 faces because there is a prejudice in India that you don't want to buy the same airplane that the other side has."

"And, there are certain legitimate grounds for the prejudice and the standard argument that fighter pilots will give you is if it's the same airplane, then the envelopes are the same, the weaknesses and strengths are the same, there is no way in which you can overcome the other airplane through clever tactics because assuming pilot quality is comparable, etc."

However, Tellis asserted, "There is one catch though, that Lockheed Martin and the US government need to make the point clearly, and that is, the F-16 IN, which is offered to India is not the F-16 Block 50 that Pakistan has in its inventory. The F-16 IN is actually a very different airplane. It's a airplane first with a AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar. It's a airplane that will come with a whole range of electronic warfare systems that's simply not in the Pakistan's inventory and the sum totality of capabilities in the F-16 IN are unlikely to find their way to Pakistan any time soon for a whole range of reasons."

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

you know when giving free medical help like surgery etc some govt considers persons age..if same amount is spend on a relatively young person..it is more beneficial..for the person and for the state also.

like that f16's f18's are good for say 20 years or so but relatively young TYPHOON and rafael are the future..where we need to invest..american Jet's are same as america, declining fast..others are like china..bit immature and may not have fine tuned system but they are the future.

 

[Andross]

Is there US technology in the Typhoon ?

Yes there is when the Saudis signed the typhoon deal it had to be passed by US congress but it was cleared without any problems, BAE is a big player in the US defence market also.

 

[localoca]

Gripen..a totally useless aircraft for india

I agree...SuperHornet its the plane to go...

 

[GORKHALI]

 

[GareebNawaz]

I agree...SuperHornet its the plane to go...

But all my stupid Indian brothers think SH is a horrible deal. EF fkin expensive and useless no AESA, Rafale..pathetic aircaft no future no AESA boasts of stealth, Gripen not worth it, f-16 PAF has it so no room for more in south asia, mig-35 upgraded mig 29. SH is best and more political advantages.

 

[MST]

But all my stupid Indian brothers think SH is a horrible deal. EF fkin expensive and useless no AESA, Rafale..pathetic aircaft no future no AESA boasts of stealth, Gripen not worth it, f-16 PAF has it so no room for more in south asia, mig-35 upgraded mig 29. SH is best and more political advantages.

Well if EuroFighter is selected at $115 Million a piece then one thing I can assure you is that the CAG is going to have a field day tearing apart MOD/IAF. Buying a plane twice as expensive compared to SH with no AESA. No wonder IAF took an year explaining the different evaluation parameters to MOD. But who is going to explain it to CAG.
All ingredients of this becoming another major scandal which the Govt can't afford. Image the News channel headlines

Bottom line is that price will be a major factor among the shortlisted planes and SH has a major advantage here (if it gets shorlisted).

 

[localoca]

Well if EuroFighter is selected at $115 Million a piece then one thing I can assure you is that the CAG is going to have a field day tearing apart MOD/IAF. Buying a plane twice as expensive compared to SH with no AESA. No wonder IAF took an year explaining the different evaluation parameters to MOD. But who is going to explain it to CAG.
All ingredients of this becoming another major scandal which the Govt can't afford. Image the News channel headlines

Bottom line is that price will be a major factor among the shortlisted planes and SH has a major advantage here (if it gets shorlisted).

SH comes with a mature LPI AESA, no other plane here can say that...

 

[acetophenol]

iaf is goin to be stronger!
Mmrca+mca+fgfa+tejas

 

[dbc]

Well if EuroFighter is selected at $115 Million a piece then one thing I can assure you is that the CAG is going to have a field day tearing apart MOD/IAF. Buying a plane twice as expensive compared to SH with no AESA. No wonder IAF took an year explaining the different evaluation parameters to MOD. But who is going to explain it to CAG.
All ingredients of this becoming another major scandal which the Govt can't afford. Image the News channel headlines

Bottom line is that price will be a major factor among the shortlisted planes and SH has a major advantage here (if it gets shorlisted).

From a political point of view, which choice is risker for the Indian Government?

The F-16? because Pakistan has it?

Or, the Gripen and the ghost of scandals past?

Rafale? Will India risk buying a fighter no other country has purchased?

F/A-18 E/F and accusations of succumbing to US political pressure?

Typhoon's sticker shock?

Politically isn't Mig-35 the safest choice for the Indian government?