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[CONNAN]

why for they are testing it on IL-76....?

its a general test done for various parameters so the once all the parameters are met it can be used on LCA it is not meant for MTA . IL 76 is only a test bed

and also if tested on LCA PLATFORM If something goes wrong we will loose the test bed ie LCA . In case of IL 76 it still has its three engines to get back safely


the test bed shown ie IL 76 is like a mobile lab in common terms it also carries the scientists where they can monitor the kaveri engine during various parts of flight

 

[sudhir007]

 

[RPK]

Has Eurofighter forged ahead in India's MMRCA competition? : Defense news


flurry of reports in the Indian media quoting unnamed sources have pointed out that the Eurofighter Typhoon has forged ahead of the other contenders in India’s bid to buy 126 MMRCA fighter jets for an estimated $10 billion.


An expected visit of Britain’s Defence Secretary Liam Fox to New Delhi later this month is seen as sales call on the Indian MoD to further hardsell the Eurofighter to India.

While one report said Eurofighter was ahead on technical evaluation by the Indian Air Force, another said Eurofighter and the Dassault Rafale had scored more points than the others in the technical evaluation report submitted to the MoD over three months ago.

However, there is no official word from the MOD and none of the six contenders- Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Eurofighter, MiG, Dassault and SAAB Gripen-have received any communication about the status of their bid. “There is complete silence. We have not heard anything from the MoD after the completion of the flight tests”, a senior Gripen Executive said.

The MOD has been sending queries to the IAF on the MMRCA competition in relation to the performance parameters and the latter has been responding to it, according to IAF Chief P.V. Naik who was quoted as saying during a news conference.

Informed sources told Defenseworld.net that the technical evaluation report lists out how each contender fared against specific clauses in the RFP and whether they met the performance parameters as outlined. “At the end of the technical evaluation, there are winners and losers. The winners will be in the shortlist who will be invited for commercial negotiations.” “At this time, we don’t know which ones will be in the shortlist. While some aircraft may be ahead of others on purely technical parameters, issues such as life cycle costs and offsets could complicate matters in deciding the shortlist”, the sources said.

 

[sancho]

I must say we doing the same mistake again by joining hands with them for pak fa and MTA.. Just simply concentrate on our indigineous weapon system like LCA MK2,AMCA ,SARAS ,AURA etc .. Atleast we can say these stuff will be with us only.

There a some things you have to understand:

1) Exactly to not be arms twisted, or surprised by later price hikes, we went to partnerships like Su 30 MKI, Brahmos, FGFA, or MRTA. Beeing a partner and having involvement in these projects, gives us way more control and less risk of such kind of problems, that we have when we are a simple buyer only.

2) That is not special to Russia, but to any country that sells us their arms, look at the US and C17 now. They now exactly there is no other option in this class and raised the price dramatically.

3) Be realistic please! LCA not ready, Saras not ready, AMCA and AURA only on paper and with our present capabilities they will remain a dream if we go for it alone.

India is a rising power, no doubt about that! But come on folks, lets face the reality and don't let us hype some minor successes, we have still a long long way to go.

hope you heard about turbomeca debacle ?? and thankfully there nothing russian in dhruv else again we have to pay from our noses.Arjun mbt is already developed without russian assistance and CVRDE started manufacturing this already,its no longer looking for customer as indian army is quiet enough to fulfill there order bag and you can expect couple of more order here with 124 +124 within 2years.USE Indian ,buy Indian that should be our moto

Turbomecca debacle, when did that happen? Last time I checked IAF is very happy to get Shakti engine for Dhruv and LCH and ask yourself why they can ask for more money to re-design Shakti engine to be used in HALs LUH? Because we are not able to do it alone, nor to develop an own engine, as it was planed in the begining. Also please check how much equipment in Arjun is foreign origin, that doesn't mean it is not an indigenous development, but that we still need a lot of stuff from them, to develop latest arms.

Mjnaushad is correct about Dhruv, because we went the right way then and now learned to do more alone as we proved with LCH and in future LUH, or MUH. With LCA instead we did exactly the opposite, first tried to do it alone and now search for consultancy, or partnerships.

As long as we are not at a comparable level in the aero industry like most major powers and we don't want to be dependent on others, partnerships and co-developments are the best and safest way to go!

 

[INDIAN007]

Has anybody got any update on Mig's proposed light weight 5th Generation fighter?


Reported many years back.. never heard anything after that.


MiG's Fifth Generation Fighter Builds up New Momentum | ???????????????? ?????????

MIG 1.44 was for testing purpose - It is scrapped

but

Russia is now constructing a new stealth lightweight multirole fighter [5th gen ] MiG-LMFS (MiG-1.27) by Mikoyan aircraft manufacturer. This jet fighter is based on the canceled MiG 1.44.

a compiteitor to F - 35

Mikoyan LMFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SpArK]

MIG 1.44 was for testing purpose - It is scrapped

but

Russia is now constructing a new stealth lightweight multirole fighter [5th gen ] MiG-LMFS (MiG-1.27) by Mikoyan aircraft manufacturer. This jet fighter is based on the canceled MiG 1.44.

a compiteitor to F - 35

Mikoyan LMFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ive been following it too.. but not much info is available regarding it...

If things go well we will see it in here.. if the program is alive better join them.

 

[the rafter]

Ive been following it too.. but not much info is available regarding it...

If things go well we will see it in here.. if the program is alive better join them.

It could well be a dream/rumor since Sukhoi and Mig have merged. I think it would be redundant to design a new aircraft when PAK-FA being built by Sukhoi is still not complete.
http://www.russianavia.net/index.php#state=NewsDetail&id=644

 

[!!craft!!]

Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyet (LMFS)
[Light Multi-Function Frontal Aircraft]
Light Multi-Role Tactical Aircraft
In November 2006 it was reported that the Russian Air Force had made an unexpected shift in the priorities for its future fighter, with the service will back the simultaneous development of two programs for a fifth-generation aircraft. The PAK FA medium-weight fighter program, which had been underway since 2002, was joined by MiG's lighter-weight aircraft project. In addition to the goal of winning domestic orders, MiG's light multi-role fighter, built on the company's earlier experience with its MiG 1.44 program, also may attract India as a co-developer and future customer.

In April 2002, the Russian military chose Sukhoi's T-50 proposal in the fifth-generation fighter contest — which was codenamed the Perspektivniy Aviatsionniy Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsii (PAK FA), or future tactical aviation air system. The Sukhoi T-50's rival in 2002 was the MiG design, the exact designation of which is classified. Later, when MiG Corp. decided to continue this program, it received the codename Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyot (LMFS) or Light Multi-role Tactical Aircraft. MiG Corp. did not accept defeat in the contest against Sukhoi.

In 2005 MiG's LMFS project came out of the shadows again. The Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) started analyzing the development options for a home-grown fifth-generation fighter, called the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), which was a twin-engine version of the its Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fighter. After a bad experience with the LCA, India sought a partner in Russia for the MCA program.

A great advantage of the MiG project is the fact that its design and technical parameters are significantly different from the Sukhoi T-50. As a result, the market does not have to choose between an "either-or" situation, and both aircraft can find their place, depending upon the needs of potential export clients.

The LMFS will be about 30% lighter than the T-50. According to approximate assessments, the T-50 will have a normal take-off weight of 21 tons, which places it between present MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters — whereas the LMFS is likely to weigh 15 tons. Most probably, the LMFS will retain the delta canard configuration of the heavy MiG 1.44 prototype.

In April 2006, the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Company announced that it had started design work on a new engine for the next-generation lightweight fighter being developed by MiG Corp. Although MiG has yet to define all of its requirements for the future engine, Klimov representatives said their powerplant will have increased thrust, a vectoring nozzle and modular design.

the crafts specs look good ,i mean acheiving 15% less weight that the t50 is remarkable. imo.india should give second thoughts in joining hands with the russians...

 

[INDIAN007]

If another 5th gen MIG Project is underway - and If Russia Is looking for partner , we should join the project

 

[Ammyy]

If another 5th gen MIG Project is underway - and If Russia Is looking for partner , we should join the project

Sirji kitne project join karenge ????

FGFA, PAKFA, AMCA, F35( May be possible for navy)

Or kitne ?? Itna paisa kaha se aayega

 

[INDIAN007]

Sirji kitne project join karenge ????

FGFA, PAKFA, AMCA, F35( May be possible for navy)

Or kitne ??

FGFA and PAK FA are two different projects - we are partnered with russia on FGFA , so FGFA = yes

AMCA = yes

f 35 = for navy [ may or may not be in future ]

russian Mig 5th gen light fighter = IF project is alive , and russians are looking for partner , then I dont see any problem in Joining the project . This will supplement our Air force even further.

Itna paisa kaha se aayega

common yaar .. Itna paisa toh hai humare Govt ke pass

 

[sudhir007]

Or kitne ?? Itna paisa kaha se aayega

Swiss bank me jo 200 billion dollar pada hai na woh kab kaam aayga

 

[MZUBAIR]

Is any AC finalised?

 

[SpArK]

Is any AC finalised?

Nope... not yet..

 

[Markus]

Is any AC finalised?

Behind closed doors among top govt. circles = Yes.

Out in the open among the public = No.