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Brother, no offfence but whom are you referring to as common people here..? We all are the same and never forget that.... And if what's told earlier is not correct then this will be a controversial issue as then the IAF chief would be in trouble for airing something that's not relevant and true.... What I knew from the very beginning is that this engine thing is directly related to the MRCA deal as the party finally getting selected for the supply of engines for LCA would have an upper hand in the competition and moreover it would be very much convenient for our maintainance crew to maintain the engines for both LCA and whichever aircraft that gets selected finally..... But I personally feel that it should not be a deciding factor even to be concidered for the MRCA deal.... As this engine only is equipping the Super Hornet(GE F414-GE-400) and Gripen (GE F414G).... and the SH is now topping the charts according to the unofficial information... As US is also offerring India with the development of Hornet in future which sure is interesting and attractive, but no one has seen the future..... We all can just hope for something that's good and rather best for us......

It wasnt 'Common people' -- it was meant to be read as 'Come on' people.

It doesnt matter what we feel...the fact is that the commonality of engines between LCA and MRCA is too big an advantage to be ignored by the decision makers - both in terms of buying as well as maintenance costs. IAF chief has to be politically correct -- if he speaks out his mind then rest assured every embassy/firms of the countries participating in the deal will be on the phones to consult with their legal advicers..we dont want again to go through the howitzer saga.
 
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But I have a question here, what the point of this GE414 G version which gives 20% higher thurst than the earlier poerplant of GE 404 that Gripen used. The 414 normal version also gives higher thurst.

Actually, we can go for this G version of engine coz it will be quicker, as EDE and EPE will take some time, the G one is also tested in Gripen. we need not wait for it.

Actually we could get just another version of the 414G, because it is the version for single engine fighters. Till now I didn't found any reliable source that clears which engine the MK2 really gets.


when IAF keep buying SU-30 , getting MIG-29 upgraded , planing to buy 250 FGFA .....

why then MIG-35 been the least faverate to win MMRCA ..

Exactly because we already have, or will have even better capabilities than what the Mig 35 can offer, through the other Russian fighters. The future potential of the Mig is more than low, it offers no advantage on the weapon side, it's possibly one of the costliest in terms of maintenance. It is cheap to procure, but that's it!
 
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I'm crushed :cry: but great exit strategy :lol:. Make a ridiculous claim feign righteous indignation and attempt to flee.

LOL, I'don't know how late it was in the US, but here in Germany it was night, so ending the last post with a G8 seemed appropriate to me.

The F-414 EPE is on the table as part of the Boeing's MMRCA offering the R&E was funded by several government agencies in what began as the IHPTET program.

True, I never said something else, my point was who will fund it, because as I proved, the USN will not and Boeing/GE are looking for export customers.
 
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Selex Signs for Eurofighter M-scan Radars.

By TOM KINGTON
Published: 5 Oct 2010 13:06

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ROME - Selex Galileo, a unit of Italy's Finmeccanica, has received a 200 million pound ($316.45 million) contract to supply 88 Captor radar systems for Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, the firm said Oct. 5.

The mechanically scanned, or M-scan, radars, which have equipped first- and second-tranche Typhoons, were ordered for the so-called Tranche 3A aircraft.


Deliveries are due to commence in 2012. To date, Selex Galileo, EADS Defense Electronics and Indra have together produced more than 400 Captor radars.

Tranche 3A is the first lot of a larger envisaged third tranche of Typhoons.

The Eurofighter partners are now planning the development of an electronically scanned array radar as a successor to the Captor.:undecided:


Selex Signs for Eurofighter M-scan Radars - Defense News



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There is nothing new, but saw it today on Brahmand.. so posting..

maybe a quick recap



The future air power of India – MMRCA
MMRCA Air Force India
Posted On: Oct 06, 2010


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The Indian Air Force’s Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition is nearing completion. Indian Air Chief Marshal PV Naik recently said that the contract for supplying 126 MMRCA fighters to the IAF will be signed soon.

On July, 2010, IAF completed its evaluation report of the field trials conducted for six global fighters contending for the MMRCA deal.

The evaluation report was then submitted to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) whereon it will be discussed by the Cabinet Committee on Security, after which the process of awarding the contract would be initiated. Once the MoD finalises the shortlisted contenders, the complex process of negotiations will begin leading to the awarding of the deal to the winner.

India's $10.4 billion tender to acquire 126 fighter aircraft

India's planned multi-billion dollar aircraft deal is the biggest contract ever since the 1990s. In 2001, IAF sent out its request for information (RFI) for the 126 fighters. After delays lasting almost 2 years beyond the planned December 2005 issue date, the Ministry of Defence finally announced a formal Request for Proposal (RFP) on August 2007.

Six global fighters – Lockheed Martin's F-16 Super Viper, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Russian United Aircraft's MiG-35, France's Dassault Aviation's Rafale, Swedish SAAB's Gripen and Boeing's F/A-18 – had submitted their bids in response to it.

According to reports, the Indian government will be buying the first 18 aircraft directly from the manufacturer. The remaining fighters will be built under licence with a transfer of technology (ToT) by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) based in Bangalore, India.

The delivery will start within 36 months of contract signing and will be completed 48 months later.

The competitors for the MMRCA deal

When the RFIs were announced, six contenders bid for the order- the Saab Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, Mikoyan MiG-35 and the American F-16IN and F/A-18IN. Out of these six, Russia’s Mikoyan and France’s Dassault companies are regular suppliers of aircraft to the IAF compared to the other four contenders.

The six contending fighters for the deal are the latest combat aircraft that are being developed or fielded today.

Eurofighter Typhoon

The Eurofighter Typhoon is a twin-engine canard-delta wing multirole aircraft designed and built by a European consortium of three companies: Alenia Aeronautica, BAE Systems, and EADS working through a holding company Eurofighter GmbH, which was formed in 1986. The aircraft has high agility at supersonic speed and also has a supercruise capability that can fly at sustained speeds offering high reliability.

Eurofighter is offering the Tranche-3 Typhoon for the Indian requirement, equipped with the Captor-E (CAESAR) AESA radar. The aircraft also has a broad spectrum of operational advantages, such as excellent adaptability to severe weather conditions, high mission effectiveness and survivability in threat situations. EADS has even been invited by India to become a partner for the Eurofighter Typhoon programme if the Typhoon wins the MMRCA contract, and will be given technological and development participation in future tranches of the Typhoon.

Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is a twin-engine 4.5 generation carrier-based multirole fighter aircraft. The Super Hornet is a larger and more advanced variant of the F/A-18C/D Hornet.

The single seat F/A-18/E and the two seat F/A-18/F flies greater ranges, with heavier payloads using a more powerful engine which provides greater survivability. Its powerful AN/APG-79 AESA radar has generated significant interest in India. This radar could allow Super Hornets to play a unique role in India’s fighter fleet due to their radar’s performance and information sharing abilities.

Boeing has proposed joint manufacturing of the fighters with Indian partners. It also plans to offset the cost by setting up a $100 million maintenance and training hub in Nagpur, Maharashtra. This is the first time that the Super Hornet has been offered for production in a foreign country.

On the availability of Super Hornet's APG-79 AESA radar, the US government has given its approval but has stated that there would be some restrictions and pre-conditions for the purchase of the aircraft.

Dassault Rafale

The Rafale is a French twin-engined delta-wing agile multi-role 4.5th-generation fighter aircraft designed and built by Dassault Aviation. The Rafale was brought in as a replacement for the Mirage 2000-5 that was originally a competitor for the MMRCA tender.

The fighter aircraft is capable of carrying out a wide range of short and long-range missions that include ground and sea attack, air defence and high accuracy strike or nuclear strike deterrence.

The Rafale has the advantage of being logistically and operationally similar to the Mirage 2000. The aircraft has a distinct advantage as it was used with great success during the Kargil War in 1999.

Since the IAF has already been equipped with the French Mirage 2000 fighters, the inclusion of Rafale would require fewer changes in the existing infrastructure of the IAF, which in turn will reduce cost.

The Transfer of Technology (ToT) is again smooth with no end user restrictions. The French government has already cleared full technology transfer of the Rafale to India, including that of the RBE2-AA AESA radar, which will be integrated with the fighter by 2010, and has also cleared the transfer of software source codes.

Initially it was reported that Rafale was declared out of the race after it did not meet India’s technical evaluation criteria. The recommendation was made by the Technical Evaluation Committee, as Dassault did not provide information on some equipment and add-ons that the IAF wanted in the aircraft. But later on, at a meeting of the Defence Procurement Board, the fighter aircraft was allowed to re-enter the race.

Lockheed Martin F-16 Super Viper

The F-16IN Super Viper is a unique new fighter sharing a heritage with the world's only fifth generation fighters – the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor. The Super Viper has the most advanced technologies and capabilities which include AN/APG-80 AESA radar, Net-Centric Warfare capability, an infrared search and track (IRST) system, advanced survivability features, enhanced high-thrust engines and proven combat and operational effectiveness.


India initially sent the RFI for the F-16C/D Block 52+ configuration aircraft. But, Lockheed Martin proposed the customised F-16IN for the MMRCA competition. If F-16IN wins the contract, then Lockheed Martin will also offer to sell the F-35 lightning aircraft in future as replacements.

But the Indian government and IAF have never seemed very keen on buying the F-16s as the Pakistan Air Force already operates the same warplane. The capabilities of the F-16s also appear to be similar to that of the Mirage 2000s operated by the IAF.

SAAB Gripen IN

The SAAB Gripen is a lightweight single engine multirole fighter aircraft manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company SAAB.

Gripen IN (a version of the Gripen NG- Next Generation) is the most technologically advanced fighter and is equipped with futuristic warfare technologies developed specifically for India. The Gripen NG has increased fuel capacity, more powerful powerplant, higher payload, upgraded avionics and other improvements.

The fighter aircraft has a powerful and proven GE’s F414G engine, AESA radar, advanced communication system, advanced electronic warfare, tactical data link, and advanced weapons capacity. Its other strengths include the ability operate from roads instead of runways if necessary and also reasonable purchase cost.

SAAB, if wins the bid, is willing to form a joint venture with Indian aerospace industry with the aim to develop the next generation of fighters and also provide access to all levels of technology.

Mikoyan MiG-35


The Mikoyan MiG-35 (Fulcrum-F) is a further development of the MiG-29M/M2 and MiG-29K/KUB technology. The IAF already operates MiG-29s, and the Navy has ordered MiG-29K/KUBs for its INS Vikramaditya and INS Vikrant-class aircraft carriers.

The single seat version is designated MiG-35 and the two-seat version is MiG-35D. The fighter has vastly improved avionics and weapon systems, notably the new Phazotron Zhuk-AE AESA radar, the RD-33MK engines and the newly designed Optical Locator System (OLS).

The IAF already has maintenance and upgrade facilities for the MiG-29. Therefore, it will be very much easier to buy the Russian-made aircraft with a minimum of expenditure on infrastructure. Also Russia is willing to give full ToT, which is an added advantage. Russia has provided support for equipments in the past also during international sanctions.

Comparison

All six contenders are equipped with state-of-the-art avionics and AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) airborne radar with only marginal differences in performance. There is also little difference in their armament carrying capacity and, where needed, such changes/modifications should be possible.

The Dassault Rafale, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet are all twin-engine fighters in the 25-30 tonne class. All of them are reportedly very expensive. The MiG-35, also a twin-engined aircraft, was first unveiled at Aero India Show-2007 at Bangalore, India. Its official price is still unknown but will preferably be lower than the other expensive bidders. The other two competitors, F-16IN and Gripen IN are relatively lightweight fighters but can carry a weapon load of around 8000 kg. Both are highly manoeuvrable multirole fighters.

Conclusion

The final chapter on the 'mother of all deals' – the MMRCA competition – will be written soon and major issues like access to technology, technology transfer, reliable spares and maintenance support throughout the projected life of the aircraft, etc will play key role in the decision making. There are media reports that political factor is likely to influence the choice of the MMRCA other than the performance and cost.

The contract is likely to be wrapped up sometime next year, and the MMRCA is expected to join the IAF fleet in early 2017.

Currently, the strength of the IAF is 34 squadrons (over 640 aircraft). By 2022, the IAF fighters’ fleet would comprise of the Sukhois, indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) 'Tejas', MMRCA, indigenous Medium Combat Aircraft (modelled on LCA) and fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) that India is developing jointly with the Russians.

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Press Trust of India

The future air power of India – MMRCA :: Brahmand.com
 
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EF people are really $creW!ing their chances with not going for AESA in tranche-3.
Unless India and EADS come to an agreement of getting AESA from elsewhere (like israel), its bye bye EF...
 
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EF people are really $creW!ing their chances with not going for AESA in tranche-3.
Unless India and EADS come to an agreement of getting AESA from elsewhere (like israel), its bye bye EF...

They will get it in T3, but only in the later B part. The partner countries simply have not the money for these developments now, only Germanys economy is rising again, but even they are reducing their defense budget.
EADS is only one partner of the EF, but the AESA radar is mainly developed by Selex Galileo and based on the Swashplate design. I highly doubt they will give their ok to integrate a differen radar, not to forget that even the status of Eltas 2052 radar is unclear (tested on a bigger aicraft, but also on any fighter?).
 
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I seriously have no reason to vote for EF now. The only thing is this lucrative offer they are giving like they will make us a partner is not looking good at all. With serious capability issues like this....EF is going to be out.

Rafale and F-18 with Gripen are the front runners in terms of readiness and offerings.
 
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I seriously have no reason to vote for EF now. The only thing is this lucrative offer they are giving like they will make us a partner is not looking good at all. With serious capability issues like this....EF is going to be out.

Rafale and F-18 with Gripen are the front runners in terms of readiness and offerings.

Amen! I hope so... Rest all are not good compared to these three...
 
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Rafale's prospects are not looking good even. UAE and Brasil deals are seriously in trouble.

Would be a nice time for The Americans to win with already the engine deal.
 
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While it could be a good debate on the pro's and con's of more than one supplier and more than one type. If this is the case.. then the IAF near 2020 would have Su-30's,Mig-29's,MRCA1,MRCA2,LCA,FGFA,M2K.. that is seven different fighters with some having overlapping roles.
While the rest of the world is concentrating on reducing its types to reduce costs.. the IAF seems to be doing the opposite... Although I am unsure of what the ASR's might be.. could it be a case of having suddenly too much in the coffers. Although like the PAF there may a few smart alec sycophantic officers at the top influencing such decisions.. and undermine those professional who made it on merit and hard work.
Long story short, the need for such a diverse fleet considering India's neighbors and its expected power projection is a little confusing.
 
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While it could be a good debate on the pro's and con's of more than one supplier and more than one type. If this is the case.. then the IAF near 2020 would have Su-30's,Mig-29's,MRCA1,MRCA2,LCA,FGFA,M2K.. that is seven different fighters with some having overlapping roles.
While the rest of the world is concentrating on reducing its types to reduce costs.. the IAF seems to be doing the opposite... Although I am unsure of what the ASR's might be.. could it be a case of having suddenly too much in the coffers. Although like the PAF there may a few smart alec sycophantic officers at the top influencing such decisions.. and undermine those professional who made it on merit and hard work.
Long story short, the need for such a diverse fleet considering India's neighbors and its expected power projection is a little confusing.

dude Where did u get the MRCA2.............it is SU30 mig 29 MMRCA FGFA (PAKFA) LCA jag and Mirag 2ks...........
 
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While it could be a good debate on the pro's and con's of more than one supplier and more than one type. If this is the case.. then the IAF near 2020 would have Su-30's,Mig-29's,MRCA1,MRCA2,LCA,FGFA,M2K.. that is seven different fighters with some having overlapping roles.
While the rest of the world is concentrating on reducing its types to reduce costs.. the IAF seems to be doing the opposite... Although I am unsure of what the ASR's might be.. could it be a case of having suddenly too much in the coffers. Although like the PAF there may a few smart alec sycophantic officers at the top influencing such decisions.. and undermine those professional who made it on merit and hard work.
Long story short, the need for such a diverse fleet considering India's neighbors and its expected power projection is a little confusing.

Indian Air Force Strives For Commonality | AVIATION WEEK
 
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