Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[#hydra#]

Selex boss told to Valerio Bonelli (their Dircom, former Eurofighter) : "you do not see the point, Valerio. Put a naked woman close to a Eurofighter, everyone will look at the lady. Put it near a Rafale, everyone will stare at the plane"

Wrong,still i will look at baked woman.

 

[X_Killer]

france paid good mony to indian politicians and ripped off india. now no need to cry about it. we know what happen. they sold indian mixed pickle airforce some 4 generation junk at cost of brand new f35. and now this 50 cent french troll is trying to sell indian mixed pickle airforce even more junk at f35 price. @BON PLAN

pethetic country full of pethetic idiots.

Again I want to point out you as a FALSE FLAGGER

And as far as capability is considered, IAF know what they want and what they are ordering.
F-35 is nothing more than a reel fighter where as rafale is real fighter.
Rafale have far less frontal RCS than F-35 with the DEDIRA suite.
You guys feel the heat.

pickle air force

You should know, I always read it in short form as PAF

 

[BON PLAN]

i will gladly take that naked women over rafale.

fighter are not for looking good but fighter jet only for one thing killing enemy.

Marcel Dassault said "a beautifull plane is a plane that fly well".

france paid good mony to indian politicians and ripped off india. now no need to cry about it. we know what happen. they sold indian mixed pickle airforce some 4 generation junk at cost of brand new f35. and now this 50 cent french troll is trying to sell indian mixed pickle airforce even more junk at f35 price. @BON PLAN

pethetic country full of pethetic idiots.

The idiot is yourself.
Idiot unable to understand that "5th gen" is only marketing, developped for F22, and recycled for F35. Unfortunately the more costier program of all time fall at least on 2 supposed attributes of LM :
F35 is not agile (smashed by a dual seater F16 with extaernal tanks !) and F35 can't super cruise.

At those time Rafale is combat roven, and despite all your shouts, India which is a country in a state of war against 2 opponents (not the case of Switzerland of Brazil ...) will take a second batch and probably a third. Mark my words.

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

Marcel Dasaault said "a beautifull plane is a plane that fly well".

what kind of logic is this???

does france design planes based on looks? not aerodynamics?

The idiot is yourself.
Idiot unable to understand that "5th gen" is only marketing, developped for F22, and recycled for F35. Unfortunately the more costier program of all time fall at least on 2 supposed attributes of LM :
F35 is not agile (smashed by a dual seater F16 with extaernal tanks !) and F35 can't super cruise.

5th gen is stealth. is Rafale stelthy? big no.

can rafale super cruise? big no.

does rafale has low ir signature? big no?

does rafale have f35 like helmet? big no?

vertical takeoff and landing? big big no?

so my simple question is why are you charging so much money?

your product is old and useless in 2017. why any inteligent airforce buy rafale over f35?

At those time Rafale is combat roven,

which war are you taking? french didn't fight any war since ww2. and that too you surrenderd.

and despite all your shouts, India which is a country in a state of war against 2 opponents (not the case of Switzerland of Brazil ...) will take a second batch and probably a third. Mark my words.

second batch? you mean more 36 rafale? meaning another $8 billion and third batch meaning another $8 billion? so total $24 billion for 108 rafale??? this is ripoff price.

 

[BON PLAN]

what kind of logic is this???

does france design planes based on looks? not aerodynamics?



5th gen is stealth. is Rafale stelthy? big no.

can rafale super cruise? big no.

does rafale has low ir signature? big no?

does rafale have f35 like helmet? big no?

vertical takeoff and landing? big big no?

so my simple question is why are you charging so much money?

your product is old and useless in 2017. why any inteligent airforce buy rafale over f35?


which war are you taking? french didn't fight any war since ww2. and that too you surrenderd.


second batch? you mean more 36 rafale? meaning another $8 billion and third batch meaning another $8 billion? so total $24 billion for 108 rafale??? this is ripoff price.

Marcel Dassault was a genius. Before all the computing methods, he was able to produce some top world class fighter and private jets with a 10000 workers compagny.

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- Rafale Stealthy? actively YES, thanks to Spectra.
- Rafale super cruising? Mach 1.4 sustained with 6 AAM.
- Rafale IR signature? far more IR stealthier than F35, because needed less power (able to supercruise with 10 tons thrust when F35 can't with 12.5 tons ! F35 is as aerodynamic as a piece of sugar)
- Rafale Helmet : will be integrated next year with first Qatar delivery.
- VTOL : no need. We are not using this king of plane like GB. Too short legs.

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About war : USA loosed Vietnam. Aphganistan war is not closed. Irak is a whorehouse since your last intervention.
France won in Algeria (but politically loose), in Lybia (with same result than you in Irak ...) and in Mali, alone, and with compliment from US army.

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At least read some newspapers !
36 new Rafale will cost 40% less thant first bid because indigenization and bases accomodation is already paid.
http://www.pressreader.com/india/the-times-of-india-mumbai-edition/20170825/282213715948375

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

Marcel Dassault was a genius. Before all the computing methods, he was able to produce some top world class fighter and private jets with a 10000 workers compagny.

Maybe he was a genius but that statement was dumb as a rock.

- Rafale Stealthy? actively YES, thanks to Spectra.

No. stealth means sharp corners in design. Rafale is round.

- Rafale super cruising? Mach 1.4 sustained with 6 AAM.

Uses afterburner so not supercurse.

- Rafale IR signature? far more IR stealthier than F35, because needed less power (able to supercruise with 10 tons thrust when F35 can't with 12.5 tons !

To lower IR sign a new 5th gen engine is needed which France doesn't have.

F35 is as aerodynamic as a piece of sugar

F35 is a trillion dollar program. It is one the most wind tunnel tested plane in the world.

- Rafale Helmet : will be integrated next year with first Qatar delivery.

Not same as F35 helmet and that too in future.

- VTOL : no need. We are not using this king of plane like GB. Too short legs.

VTOL is a must for a modern navy. It could turn any helicopter carrier like Mistral into full blown aircraft carrier.

About war : USA loosed Vietnam. Aphganistan war is not closed. Irak is a whorehouse since your last intervention.

USA won Vietnam but lost its support at home. Afghanistan's mess is Pakistan's doing otherwise it too could've been easy victory.

France won in Algeria (but politically loose), in Lybia (with same result than you in Irak ...) and in Mali, alone, and with compliment from US army.

Algeria was lost. many people died. It was a bloodbath. Libya is now a terror state. Mali is a tiny little blimp in African map that doesn't even have an airfoce.

At least read some newspapers !

No, I read on internet.

36 new Rafale will cost 40% less thant first bid because indigenization and bases accomodation is already paid.
http://www.pressreader.com/india/the-times-of-india-mumbai-edition/20170825/282213715948375

Nothing is confirmed only speculations.

 

[Joe Shearer]

france paid good mony to indian politicians and ripped off india. now no need to cry about it. we know what happen. they sold indian mixed pickle airforce some 4 generation junk at cost of brand new f35. and now this 50 cent french troll is trying to sell indian mixed pickle airforce even more junk at f35 price. @BON PLAN

pethetic country full of pethetic idiots.

Truly pithetic. You nailed it right. Takes an outside point of view to really get things in pisspective.

 

[John Reese]

Truly pithetic. You nailed it right. Takes an outside point of view to really get things in pisspective.

Dada ji This Is real Candidate for ignore List

 

[Joe Shearer]

Again I want to point out you as a FALSE FLAGGER

And as far as capability is considered, IAF know what they want and what they are ordering.
F-35 is nothing more than a reel fighter where as rafale is real fighter.
Rafale have far less frontal RCS than F-35 with the DEDIRA suite.
You guys feel the heat.


You should know, I always read it in short form as PAF

Pithetic. Criticising a poor guy just because he likes colour in his flags. Read his posts, read the content (not this one, but one that has content). And look at his brilliant, artistic use of emoticons.

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

Dada ji This Is real Candidate for ignore List

truth hurts. i know.


cover your ears and repete modi modi modi modi.

 

[X_Killer]

Pititicising a poor guy just because he likes colour in his flags. Read his posts, read the content (not this one, but one that has content). And look at his brilliant, artistic use of emoticons.

Why don't you go through the technical data instead the so called artistic use of emotions?
I don't call him a "Troll" , he is just a "false flagger with Indian Flag".
Try to track his/her IP. Rest you can understand....

 

[Joe Shearer]

Why don't you go through the technical data instead the so called artistic use of emotions?
I don't call him a "Troll" , he is just a "false flagger with Indian Flag".
Try to track his/her IP. Rest you can understand....

That's been done dozens of times. He is well known as a false flagger, who enjoys a certain degree of protection.

Why don't you develop a sense of humour? We have enough pompous idiots, don't need any more.

 

[hassamun]

The Link below explains in great detail why the Rafale is superior to the F-35. Too long an article to post here...

https://defenseissues.net/2015/09/11/dassault-rafale-vs-f-35/

 

[BON PLAN]

No. stealth means sharp corners in design. Rafale is round.

OUPS !
Just have a look to B2 bomber..... beautifull curves....

Uses afterburner so not supercurse.

NO NO NO.
It reach Mach 1.4 with 6AAM without PC !

To lower IR sign a new 5th gen engine is needed which France doesn't have.

YOU JUST CREATE THE GENERATION IN THE ENGINE !!!! are you paid by LM ?

It's BS.

The Sugar box F35 need more thrust and request more PC to fly at lower speed ! It's all but stealthier in IR !

In terms of IR signature, primary factors are size, speed and engine emissions. Rafale has two M88 engines producing a total of 9.953 kgf on dry thrust and 15.077 kgf thrust in reheat, compared to 12.700/19.512 kgf for the F135. Further, since Rafale’s engine emissions are divided in two engines, leading to increased cooling due to greater ratio of plume surface area to crosssection. While normally this advantage would be negated by aerodynamic superiority of single-engined aircraft, this is not the case here. F-35s unaerodynamic fuselage means that it requires full dry thrust to achieve speed of Mach 0,95, while Rafale supercruises at Mach 1,4 at equivalent engine setting, and with 6 missiles. Consequently, Rafale has significantly lower engine IR signature when compared to the F-35 at same speed. Rafale also has smaller frontal and side signature,

And don't forget F35 need to open its internal bays often to refresh itself.... cold plane you say ?

Not same as F35 helmet and that too in future.

F35 helmet is more like a fireman helmet than a fighter helmet.

It breaks the small pilot neck.
And the F35 system is unable to follow a ground moving target ! no need of a complicated helmet to do so few.

USA won Vietnam but lost its support at home.

USA win ?

Same situation for Algeria war for France my dear.

F35 is a trillion dollar program. It is one the most wind tunnel tested plane in the world.

Sure.
It's why it is unable to sustain more than 7G.

Algeria was lost. many people died. It was a bloodbath. Libya is now a terror state. Mali is a tiny little blimp in African map that doesn't even have an airfoce.

Vietnam was win?
Irak is a heaven
Afganistan is the next place for holydays.

Nothing is confirmed only speculations.

Same for the so called "less than 100$million" F35...

 

[kaykay]

OUPS !
Just have a look to B2 bomber..... beautifull curves....
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NO NO NO.
It reach Mach 1.4 with 6AAM without PC !


YOU JUST CREATE THE GENERATION IN THE ENGINE !!!! are you paid by LM ?

It's BS.

The Sugar box F35 need more thrust and request more PC to fly at lower speed ! It's all but stealthier in IR !

In terms of IR signature, primary factors are size, speed and engine emissions. Rafale has two M88 engines producing a total of 9.953 kgf on dry thrust and 15.077 kgf thrust in reheat, compared to 12.700/19.512 kgf for the F135. Further, since Rafale’s engine emissions are divided in two engines, leading to increased cooling due to greater ratio of plume surface area to crosssection. While normally this advantage would be negated by aerodynamic superiority of single-engined aircraft, this is not the case here. F-35s unaerodynamic fuselage means that it requires full dry thrust to achieve speed of Mach 0,95, while Rafale supercruises at Mach 1,4 at equivalent engine setting, and with 6 missiles. Consequently, Rafale has significantly lower engine IR signature when compared to the F-35 at same speed. Rafale also has smaller frontal and side signature,

And don't forget F35 need to open its internal bays often to refresh itself.... cold plane you say ?


F35 helmet is more like a fireman helmet than a fighter helmet.
View attachment 423073

It breaks the small pilot neck.
And the F35 system is unable to follow a ground moving target ! no need of a complicated helmet to do so few.


USA win ?
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Same situation for Algeria war for France my dear.

Sure.
It's why it is unable to sustain more than 7G.


Vietnam was win?
Irak is a heaven
Afganistan is the next place for holydays.


Same for the so called "less than 100$million" F35...

He is a false flagger troll from our western enemy country....you are wasting your time.