Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[halloweene]

This is interesting, of course why France wouldn't allow tweaking , they are set to lose weapons order , if they allow American missiles too..

Not so sure about that. On the other hand it would be a good export point for Rafale. But i guess MBDA disagree...

@halloweene : The news posted above in post #1302 and ur post of saying Dassault lady working out modalities for Make in india manufacturing seems a bit contradictory.. You get any feeling whats really going on?
Also by any chance u know where is @sancho ? Seems he is MIA for too long.. would have loved to hear your and his good opinion on this..

Last time i spoke to Sancho he was in Germany. Wait till september (till everyone is back from holidays) for my feelings. Atm nothing to be honest. About the lady, i posted an affirmative sentence with reason....

 

[Marxist]

https://twitter.com/x/status/634731112191823874

@GURU DUTT @Abingdonboy

 

[Marxist]

France, India to conclude Rafale jets deal within 10 days - source

PARIS (Reuters) - India's purchase of French Rafale fighter jets could be concluded in about 10 days, a source with knowledge of talks on the deal told Reuters on Friday.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said in April he had ordered 36 Rafale fighters to modernise his country's warplane fleet, though detailed terms and conditions remained to be settled.

Modi had opted to deal directly with the French government after three years of inconclusive negotiations with the plane's manufacturer, Dassault.

"Things are getting better with India," the source said. "An agreement could be seen in about 10 days."

Dassault Aviation was not immediately available to comment.

India's announcement came after Dassault in February won its first export order for the jets from Egypt. Since then, Qatar has also placed an order, and talks are under way with Malaysia and the United Arab Emirates.

But the Indian deal ran into trouble, with both sides wrangling over the unit price of the aircraft and a condition that Dassault should invest a big percentage of the value of the multi-billion dollar contract in India, sources said earlier this month.

India is keen to modernise its ageing airforce, with military officials having warned of a major capability gap opening up with China and Pakistan without new Western warplanes, or if local defence contractors cannot build what the military needs in a timely manner.

France, India to conclude Rafale jets deal within 10 days - source - Yahoo India Finance

 

[Hindustani78]

Rafale deal: French Defence minister to visit Delhi next week | Zee News
Last Updated: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 21:28

New Delhi: French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian will visit India next week during which a government- to-government framework agreement for the 36 Rafale fighter jets is likely to be signed, which will pave the way for inking of the final contract.

Defence sources said Drian will arrive here on Tuesday and is scheduled to meet the top leadership.

The visit comes amid a deadlock in the talks for the fighter jets over the issues of off-set, tweaking of weaponry technology among others.

The sources said discussions were held at the "highest level" on both sides to get over the roadblocks.

"One of the parties had to relent. The French have agreed to the Indian conditions," one of the sources told PTI.

It is expected that if all goes well, the contract for the 36 Rafales will be inked soon, which will come as a huge relief to the Indian Air Force which has been eyeing the aircraft for over a decade.

India's insistence on 50 per cent off-set clause, tweaking of weaponry technology and plans to set up two bases for Rafale fighter jets were some of the issues which had cropped up during the recent talks that began after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the decision to acquire 36 Rafales jets during his trip to France in April.

The announcement had come as a boost for the modernisation plan of IAF as the original deal for 126 Rafale jets through a tendering process was stuck for years. India has constituted a committee headed by Air Marshal SBP Sinha to hold negotiations with France.

France was offering the Rafale jets at almost the same price its Air Force is buying it from the original manufacturer Dassault Aviation.

PTI

 

[Bang Galore]

Flurry of reports now.

India may seal $5 billion Rafale deal next week : Mail Today, News - India Today
India, France to ink deal for 36 Rafale fighters next week - The Times of India

 

[GURU DUTT]

Flurry of reports now.

India may seal $5 billion Rafale deal next week : Mail Today, News - India Today
India, France to ink deal for 36 Rafale fighters next week - The Times of India

so if the deal for 36 fully french built rafales is of 5Billion euros it comes around 139 million euros per plane .... man that is way too expensive for that ammount we can have 3 mig-35s and save another couple of billion euros on training and maintinence infra

 

[IND151]

Broadsword: Moscow confused as IAF puts fifth generation fighter on back burner to buy Rafale

 

[Agent_47]

so if the deal for 36 fully french built rafales is of 5Billion euros it comes around 139 million euros per plane .... man that is way too expensive for that ammount we can have 3 mig-35s and save another couple of billion euros on training and maintinence infra

The point is, we don't nead Mig-35 what we need is this or EF. yes,it is expensive that's why we are going for a small number.
The costs includes weapons which will be $1+ billion.(we ordered 500 MICA for $1 billion)

 

[Abingdonboy]

so if the deal for 36 fully french built rafales is of 5Billion euros it comes around 139 million euros per plane .... man that is way too expensive for that ammount we can have 3 mig-35s and save another couple of billion euros on training and maintinence infra

Dividing $5bn by 36 to get your unit price of 139 USD (not Euros bro) is a far too simplistic and flawed method of calculating the actual unit cost of the Rafales being sold to India. As I've explained before, such a deal will include the cost of a large amount of spares, training, simulators, integrating Indian (customer) specific equipment (like LITENING LDPs and HMDS)weapons, support packages, warrantees, stetting up requisite ground infrastructure in India etc etc. These are mammoth costs but will only be incurred the once, it will be far more sensible to calculate the unit cost of Rafales being sold to India when India orders follow-on units (even then only if they are coming from France, if they are being built in India which is more likely then it will be difficult to compare like for like).


And the MiG-35 is a dead horse, they aren't even selling it to their own forces or anyone else- the IAF aren't going for it end of story.


+it's funny how the price keeps dropping, before it was reported India will get 36 for $10BN, then $8BN now only $5BN.



Let's wait and see the true figure and what comes with the package.

 

[Hindustani78]

Defence ministers of Australia, France to visit India

New Delhi: Aug 31, 2015, DHNS:

Defence ministers of Australia and France are set to visit India this week to advance bilateral naval collaborations and accelerate realisation of the long-awaited agreement on the purchase of Rafale fighter jets respectively.

Defence Ministry officials have confirmed the visit of Australian defence minister Kevin Andrews, but is tight-lipped on the visit of his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian, who is likely to be in Delhi in later half of the week to finalise an inter-governmental agreement on the purchase of 36 Rafale jets.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar’s meeting with Le Drian could happen towards the weekend as France reportedly agreed to the conditions that India put forward before going ahead with the Rafale deal. One of the sticking points was understood to be 50 per cent offset, which France appeared to have agreed to, though there is no official confirmation as yet.

If the 50 per cent offset clause is accepted by both parties, then France would have to invest half of the total deal amount in Indian military industries for downstream production. Andrews, on the other hand, would focus more on expanding the strategic cooperation with a focus on the naval cooperation.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

DAC briefed about Rafale negotiations, gives go ahead
IANS | New Delhi September 1, 2015 Last Updated at 21:02 IST

he negotiation committee on purchasing Rafale combat jets for the Indian Air Force (IAF) has been given the 'go ahead' by the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), defence ministry officials said on Tuesday.

Officials said the deal was "on course", and the negotiations will go on.

"The negotiation committee briefed the DAC about the progress so far," a ministry source said after a DAC meeting on Tuesday.

"The DAC has given its go ahead to them," the source said, refusing to elaborate.

India announced it will buy 36 Rafale jets from France during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit in April.

Sources said there were "no roadblocks" in the deal.
DAC briefed about Rafale negotiations, gives go ahead | Business Standard News

 

[Abingdonboy]

Rafale deal in its final stages: IAF chief Raha | Page 5

 

[soldier of Putin]

I don't get why India would go for Rafale. It's not a good plane plus India should make its own rather than buy.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I don't get why India would go for Rafale. It's not a good plane plus India should make its own rather than buy.

It is one of the finest planes around and India is working on its own plane simultaneously.

 

[trident2010]

I don't get why India would go for Rafale. It's not a good plane plus India should make its own rather than buy.

This is the report from Swiss Airforce on Rafale, Eurofighter and Gripen evaluation. Rafale wins hands down. Good read.

http://www.letemps.ch/r/Le_Temps/Quotidien/2012/02/13/Suisse/Textes/gripen.pdf