Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[BON PLAN]

we saw first handed how upgrades mirages bugged out in feb 2019 due to "glitches" & being "outnumbered"..
i never believed that french equipment will be jammed but it happened and everyone saw it

Absolutely no evidence. We even don't know if those Mirage flew with MICA...

In Lybia, 2011, we entered first in the airspace, BEFORE the US fired hundereds od cruise missile. No problem. The Lybian radars never saw the french birds.

 

[BON PLAN]

we saw first handed how upgrades mirages bugged out in feb 2019 due to "glitches" & being "outnumbered"..
i never believed that french equipment will be jammed but it happened and everyone saw it

the sole F16 shooted down in an air engagement was fired by a greek M2000....
sorry Bro.

 

[ziaulislam]

the sole F16 shooted down in an air engagement was fired by a greek M2000....
sorry Bro.

Yeah an unarmed f16..i know

 

[cloyce]

The problem with moveable canards is that they'll move at angles that'll be not in the same plane as the rest of the airplane's wing surfaces. So, as the J-20 will maneuver and use it's canards to maneuver, the canards will act as large radar reflecting surfaces. Even if RAM treatment is applied to those canards, it is a FACT that canards are not a good idea if you want F-35 or F-22 level stealth.

Here below is a 6th gen fighter concept from Boeing. As you can see it has canards.
If a canard plane can't be stealthy, Boeing would not even propose it.
If a canard plane can't be stealthy, Chengdu would have gone with a standard configuration instead. If they opted for canards it's because they've tested it.

Indian AF claimed that J-20 could be detected by Su-30 MKI.
It could be true, J-20 is not an all-aspect stealth plane like F-22. Its stealth is mostly frontal side focused for Air to Air combat. If a J-20 is returning to base, its non-stealthy engine nozzles will be pointed towards enemy radar, and that will make it easily detectable. But in a real combat scenario, there won't be any Su-30MKI left alive when J-20 returns to base.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

But in a real combat scenario, there won't be any Su-30MKI left alive when J-20 returns to base.

Clearly the conscript CCP air force top brass failed to read your memo. Still busy building Su-30 variants instead of of Uber Han mighty China Stronkk J-20.

 

[cloyce]

Clearly the conscript CCP air force top brass failed to read your memo. Still busy building Su-30 variants instead of of Uber Han mighty China Stronkk J-20.

By Su-30 cariants you mean J-16? Well they replace JH-7 and are still needed for any anti-ship or heavy bombing mission .
J-20 weapon bay is not big enough to accomodate anti-ship missiles or bunker busting bombs.
It's speculated that the future H-20 stealth heavy bomber, with a much bigger weapon bays, could do these"heavy works"

 

[dbc]

not really....
They sent Mirage 2000-9 against Lybia in 2011, not the so called fabulous F16-60.....

Wrong as usual ..

March 25, 2011 · 10:36 AM UTC
UAE Foreign Affairs Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan said 12 warplanes, including six F-16s and six Mirages, would be dispatched to join operations, but only as “an extension” of its “humanitarian operations,” Al Jazeera reported.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-03-25/uae-sends-warplanes-libya-nato-takes-command

 

[no smoking]

It is so strange to see chinese air force acquiring more and more non stealthy J10 .....

Remember me how many J20 are in the PL air force?

Remember me how many J31 are inducted?

Or you should remember there are still 500-600 J7/J8s serving in China. Anyone with economic common sense would know how insane it is to replace all of them with J-20 or J-31 in short time.

 

[congtubl]

Welcome to Rafale came back India home.

But the paint on the tail maybe wrong

And the cover on the wings maybe moved (above on the 6th people from Right to left)

 

[BON PLAN]

Yeah an unarmed f16..i know

You are misinformed.

The fight was between 4 F4 Phantom and 2 F16 on the Turkish side, and 2 M2000 on the greek side.
The fight occured in the greek airspace.
The turkish planes didn't want to move away.
A dog fight follows.
M2000 take the advantage, and one shoot a old Magic 2 missile. Despite the flares and the manoeuvers, the F16 was hit. This F16 was driven by heavy trained pilots : a captain and a lt colonel. One died, the other was rescued by greece navy.

If you are non armed, you don't enter in a dog fight in a foreign airspace.

If the F16 is so agile, the internal gun is more than enough, isn't it?

Mirage 2000 : 1 / F16 : 0

 

[BON PLAN]

Wrong as usual ..

March 25, 2011 · 10:36 AM UTC
UAE Foreign Affairs Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan said 12 warplanes, including six F-16s and six Mirages, would be dispatched to join operations, but only as “an extension” of its “humanitarian operations,” Al Jazeera reported.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-03-25/uae-sends-warplanes-libya-nato-takes-command

would be.....

The sole able to fly over Lybia were M2000.
Why? because USA didn't accept the F16 to do so.

 

[BON PLAN]

Here below is a 6th gen fighter concept from Boeing. As you can see it has canards.
If a canard plane can't be stealthy, Boeing would not even propose it.
If a canard plane can't be stealthy, Chengdu would have gone with a standard configuration instead. If they opted for canards it's because they've tested it.

Indian AF claimed that J-20 could be detected by Su-30 MKI.
It could be true, J-20 is not an all-aspect stealth plane like F-22. Its stealth is mostly frontal side focused for Air to Air combat. If a J-20 is returning to base, its non-stealthy engine nozzles will be pointed towards enemy radar, and that will make it easily detectable. But in a real combat scenario, there won't be any Su-30MKI left alive when J-20 returns to base.

between a marketing pic and the reality, the gap may be huge....

 

[Akasa]

Remember when Iran unveiled the Qaher-313 and its defense minister claimed that it could give its adversaries a run for their money?

Yeah, this new claim by Air Chief Dhanoa is merely another rendition of that saga, just with a different set of characters.

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale is wreaking havoc in Libya, consuming Turkish forces like a great white eagle. And India will get it soon

India will have the enhanced ability to overpower the PLA Air Force

2 weeks late news.

https://tfipost.com/2020/07/rafale-...great-white-eagle-and-india-will-get-it-soon/

 

[cloyce]

between a marketing pic and the reality, the gap may be huge....

Man, people do their tests before going on with a 100+ billion program. If canards are bad for stealth, Chengdu would have gone with conventional configuration.
Regarding Boeing, their 6th fighter concept promises to be more stealthy than F-22 because they will remove the vertical stabilizers. So, why ruin the superior stealth with canards if they are inherently unstealthy?
Besides, the flying tech-demo Boeing X-36 had canards (photo below) and are pretty stealthy, it is simply difficult to achive planform alignment on canards planes.